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Braniff DC-8-62 Crews (Cabin/Flight Deck)  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

In the early years (Late 60s, very early 70s) Does anyone know if Braniff's DC-8-62's were operated by US-Based American Crews, or South American crews from the Latin American division?

I believe the 707 services into South America were operated by US-based crews

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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5246 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
In the early years (Late 60s, very early 70s) Does anyone know if Braniff's DC-8-62's were operated by US-Based American Crews, or South American crews from the Latin American division?

I believe the 707 services into South America were operated by US-based crews

The pilots were always US nationals and were based usually in MIA or JFK. Cabin crews for scheduled services were based in various Latin American cities such as Buenos Aires, Bogota, Rio, Lima, Panama City, Santiago and a few others. They wore regular BI uniforms but were lead by a male purser. The domestic system did not see male flight attendants until 1973 when Alan Stout, a former crew scheduler, was hired as the first male flight attendant.

US based cabin cews worked on the DC-8-62's and DC-8-51's on charters to South America or for the occasional schedule or equipment substitution (especially when the 747 was down for its annual maintenance check). I flew them from MSP-MCI-DFW-MEX and DFW-DEN, I recall, and I think they occasionally went to MIA. Braniff would sometimes use a DC8 when 727's were unavailable or larger loads were needed. We also used them to Brussels for a brief time.

The same rules held true for the 707 crews. We called the "south" crews the LAD for Latin American Division. There was a lot of politics involved in who got hired down there- as flight attendants--our usual hiring processes did not apply. They were their own little world and we did not mix with them at all.

When Braniff sold the routes to Eastern in 1982, the cabin crews went with the airplanes. Not sure what happened to the pilots except that a lot of them got stranded in Lima and had to "hitch" a ride home any way they could after BI suspended operations.

The 707-327's were primarily purchased for used as "PAC MAC" (Pacific Military Air Command) ferrying soldiers to and from Vietnam, usually to Travis AFB, California. They were all US based cockpit and cabin crews. Of course the original 707-227's regularly flew to South America until the DC8-62's came on line.



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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 1):
When Braniff sold the routes to Eastern in 1982, the cabin crews went with the airplanes.

AA still has the same set-up, i.e, cabin crews hired and based in Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo working the LA routes. To this date, there are still a few individuals flying for AA that originally flew for BI and EA.

LVTMB


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5215 times:
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 1):
The same rules held true for the 707 crews. We called the "south" crews the LAD for Latin American Division. There was a lot of politics involved in who got hired down there- as flight attendants--our usual hiring processes did not apply. They were their own little world and we did not mix with them at all

The hiring process for Braniff is well described in a book called "Airline Paisonado" by Robert Booth who worked for Braniff for many years in their Latin American division. The jobs at Braniff were considered very coveted and went to "society girls". That was the way things were done back in those days.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks ago) and read 5165 times:

The 707-327Cs operate some of the South American services in the 60s, mostly Mexico City I think (I read on one of the Braniff sites that Mexico City WAS operated by US based crew?)


Did the LAD train at the Dallas Hostess College? And what was the crew complement on the DC-8s?


User currently offlinedcajet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks ago) and read 5128 times:

And interestingly enough, the BN LatAm based crews flew domestic sectors of international flights, such as the LAX- SFO sector that was part of an EZE-SCL-LIM-LAX-SFO. I suppose due to the fact that there were very few US based DC-8 qualified crews? In any case, quite a change from these days, when no foreign national crews are allowed to fly any US domestic sectors on a US airline. Some of those individuals are still employed by AA, at least in Argentina.

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 2):
AA still has the same set-up, i.e, cabin crews hired and based in Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo working the LA routes

There have been no hires since at 9/11 at the least. Due to US union rules, AA can't increase its LatAm bases if it is not hiring F/As in the US, so these LatAm bases are becoming quite senior. A small correction, there is no AA F/A base in GRU. Only in EZE, SCL, LIM and BOG with EZE being the largest. BA also has an EZE base, but way smaller.

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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4994 times:
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Quoting dcajet (Reply 5):
And interestingly enough, the BN LatAm based crews flew domestic sectors of international flights

After deregulation, I flew BN DC8-62s several times from SFO to LAX. Beautiful interiors with lots of legroom and leather seats with fold down middles. I enjoyed a "Latin touch" by Halston clad Lima and Santiago based crews. A nice change from PSA and Untied back in the day.

Tomas



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

The DFW-DEN turnaround with DC-8-62 equipment was a regularly scheduled trip in the 1970-72 period. I was a student at CU and flew to DAL quite often. The DEN-DFW flight departed about 230p and was scheduled as a DC-8.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 4):
The 707-327Cs operate some of the South American services in the 60s, mostly Mexico City I think

Mexico City is in North America, not South America.You probably meant to say "Latin America".  


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

The LAD crews did their training in Dallas at the Hostess (later renamed Flight Attendant College) on Wycliff Avenue. It was a beautifully compact structure with dining facilities, a sunken living room and something called "The Silhouette Room" which had mirrors and was generally equipped for working out. Access to the swimming pool was through there.

The second floor was all classrooms and cabin mockups. The emergency procedures mockups were located in a seperate building on Lemmon Avenue at Love Field. That's where we went to do the slides, set off flares, etc.

The third, fourth and fifth floors were all dorm rooms set up for 4 students per room with a big dining room type table in the center for studying. Each student had their own locker and bed and each room had a unique "split" bathroom arrangement. On one side there were 4 lighted makeup mirrors and chairs and on the other side was the traditional bathroom. The housekeepers were our lookouts--they told us when management had been snooping around in our rooms while we were in class. Mind you this was 1974 when we still had to sign in and out of the building and had a curfew. They'd never get away with stuff like that now!

Braniff moved out of there about 1977 to a hotel on Northwest Highway and it was never the same. Once Braniff Place opened at DFW all training moved out there. The original college was empty for a number of years and has been used as a nursing home and is now a retirement center. Driving down the Central Expressway at the Wycliff exit you can still see the shadow of the old Braniff "bird" logo that was on the side of the building.

[Edited 2010-09-05 09:56:48]


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