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MAN News 39  
User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 31473 times:
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Well onwards and upwards with MAN news.

One bit of rumour to start off the thread = DL apparently planning slight alteration to the ATL route plus starting a new route.

Précis of MAN news 38

The A380 has arrived and is being packed out. EK says MAN route more profitable than their LGW route, F class was needed out of MAN and that MAN has the largest unsatisfied demand.

The ins and outs of why BA can't make a go of it out of MAN.

VS go back to 2 weekly to BGI in November 2011.

EY showing enourmous increases in passenger numbers with the advent of 77W ops.

LS announce 3 more routes for next year,

Kiss Flights went into administration leading to no more Turkuaz ops to MAN and fewer Viking flights.

The annual QF "charter" happened, but with the route originating in MAN for the 1st time.

OK confirm pulling out of the UK market.

MAN is using part of the remote apron as additional car parking spaces for passengers.

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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 31396 times:

What would the alteration to the ATL route be? Is the JFK flight a 757, if MAN cant support something bigger from JFK why start another route? DUB has daily 763 to ATL and daily 764 to JFK and no sign of a new route from here? Any speculation on what it might be DTW?

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31341 times:
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A330s apparently for ATL.... so if that happens, the only long-haul type that DL have that have been operating since their arrival 19 years ago which has not come through MAN is going to be the 744.

Though we are a notional 757 JFK route, a decent portion of the summer has seen 767s operating.. And the route is planned to be DTW - the link that might have occurred from NW had they remained independent.


User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1811 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31320 times:

Thanks Dave.

EK 017 came in with 510 on board today. Quite incredible.

Would be interesting to hear about DL's plans. Shamrock - JFK has been 767 for a while now, on a temporary basis. When does the route end?



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 31286 times:
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What did that cretin from the Times say... MAN will have the onerous task of filling the aircraft. Think we might need to send the Times a letter outlining the number of passengers carried on each of the A380 flights that have operated. Then there's another cretin who wrote in the Daily Mail's comments on the A380 inaugural story saying that why are they bothering as no-one from the North can afford to travel on it.

DL's JFK run should be through the winter on a 5 weekly basis.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 31276 times:

Excuse my ignorance I dont frequent the MAN thread to often but is the EK A380 service daily? Does anyone know how many pax go to DXB and how many travel onwards?

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 31262 times:
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The A380 is daily, as for how many connecting in DXB I think it's around the 80% level. At that level, it means that approximately 350 passengrers a day are travelling between MAN and DXB as a point-to-point service as they're carrying around 1900 passengers a day!?!

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31191 times:

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
ATL route plus starting a new route.


JFK daily from May 1 2011   

Seriously though, does anyone have any ideas what equipment they would use to DTW. I guess the 757 seems the most logical answer, but who knows....

And it's good to see an upgrade to ATL, especially since the 330s come with lie-flat business class.

I guess the big TATL question is UA/CO. It has been suggested that ORD (and even another stab at IAD) might be on the cards. I just wonder if EWR would go back to, say, 1 daily 777 to shift some traffic onto the new routes.



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User currently offlineharleyf150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31154 times:

Just a quick question on A380 operations,will runway 23L always be used as the departure runway for this aircraft so long as there are westerly winds

User currently offlineBluemoonUK From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 31091 times:

Quoting harleyf150 (Reply 8):
will runway 23L always be used as the departure runway for this aircraft so long as there are westerly winds

That seems to be the case,just a short hop across 23R and she's on her way without much of a delay.Understood to be a 23R dep on wednesday for the crowds at the AVP,23L since.
Bluemoon


User currently offlineharleyf150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 30879 times:

Can anyone confirm that today's Emirates A380 flight landed on 05R when all other traffic is using 05L

User currently offlineskord From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 30836 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
I just wonder if EWR would go back to, say, 1 daily 777

I hope not! (but a CO777 would be lovely!) as 2x daily 757's offer much better oportunity for connections and flexability. I took CO last year EWR-MAN and i was pleasantly surprised. Comfortable seating, reasonable meal, and very good IFE. For a flight of that length a 757 is perfectly as you really dont need the "feel" of a wide-bodied a/c. CO100 ex EWR is perfect for people on short visits to NYC as you get a full "extra" day there on your return, and any Business pax who also want a full day in the office before flying. Likewise, CO20 is great for people who need to be in MAN early. Having 2 flights have tremendous benefits to both Business & Leisure travellers.
I personally think CO's schedule to MAN is great right now. On a personal note, i would LOOOOVE to see UA/CO operating to ORD.


User currently offlinestuart1044 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 93 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 30785 times:

Quoting harleyf150 (Reply 10):
Can anyone confirm that today's Emirates A380 flight landed on 05R when all other traffic is using 05L

Thats correct, I was there and a bit confused. Anybody know the reason?


User currently offlineharleyf150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 30764 times:

Quoting stuart1044 (Reply 12):

Cheers for that,im sure it's the same reason why 23L is favoured for take off's, reason being it's a lot easier to taxi to stand 12 by crossing 05L/23R as opposed to taxiing past T3


User currently offlineegnr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 30448 times:

Quoting harleyf150 (Reply 10):
Can anyone confirm that today's Emirates A380 flight landed on 05R when all other traffic is using 05L

A picture is worth a thousand words  http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/EGNR/Aircraft/EGCC/05-09-10/P1010850.jpg

I got a few nice snaps today:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/EGNR/Aircraft/EGCC/05-09-10/P1010864.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/EGNR/Aircraft/EGCC/05-09-10/P1010873.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/EGNR/Aircraft/EGCC/05-09-10/P1010894.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/EGNR/Aircraft/EGCC/05-09-10/P1010905.jpg



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User currently offlineBluemoonUK From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 30384 times:

That last shot is a good indicator that joes field is the spot for 05L departure,was a little worried that they have been going very long and might be better at moss lane.
Bluemoon


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2095 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 30202 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
I just wonder if EWR would go back to, say, 1 daily 777 to shift some traffic onto the new routes.

They would need something bigger than a 777, they outgrew the 777 a long time ago. Also, they have no spare 777 to carry this out. A 757/764 combination would be nice.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 30178 times:

Quoting col (Reply 16):
They would need something bigger than a 777, they outgrew the 777 a long time ago

Oh yes, CO/UA will definitely not go back down to *just* a 777. However a lot of passengers are not going to NYC or even the eastern seaboard. Hypothetically at least, passengers traveling to LAX, SFO, LAS, PHX, SEA etc etc can change at ORD just as easily as EWR (although, in reality, that is hugely debatable)

With it being rumoured that UA are considering ORD-MAN what I was getting at is could we see something like a 777 to EWR and a 767 to ORD, which would overall be a large increase in capacity but EWR would go back to one daily. If they don't have any 777s to spare then I guess it's academic (although EWR-TLV is rumoured to be upgraded to a 744 which could help free up some 777s).The other alternative, I guess, is for 3 daily 757s: 2 to EWR and 1 to ORD



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 30160 times:

Quoting egnr (Reply 14):
A picture is worth a thousand words

Awesome! A trip over to the MAN viewing park is long overdue!  



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2095 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 30081 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):
Oh yes, CO/UA will definitely not go back down to *just* a 777. However a lot of passengers are not going to NYC or even the eastern seaboard. Hypothetically at least, passengers traveling to LAX, SFO, LAS, PHX, SEA etc etc can change at ORD just as easily as EWR (although, in reality, that is hugely debatable)

With it being rumoured that UA are considering ORD-MAN what I was getting at is could we see something like a 777 to EWR and a 767 to ORD, which would overall be a large increase in capacity but EWR would go back to one daily. If they don't have any 777s to spare then I guess it's academic (although EWR-TLV is rumoured to be upgraded to a 744 which could help free up some 777s).The other alternative, I guess, is for 3 daily 757s: 2 to EWR and 1 to ORD

You make some good points. CO/UA need to start ORD with something a little better than the AA offering, which should not be too difficult. I cannot see EWR changing from 2 x 757's purely because of equipment availability. Until the 787's and 350's start rolling in, not much widebody capacity between CO/UA.

US seem to be running full all the time, maybe they could look at adding some Star capacity across the atlantic?

Is DL going back down to 5 x weekly on JFK? What is AA doing on JFK and ORD, also 5?


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 30081 times:

Quoting col (Reply 19):
US seem to be running full all the time, maybe they could look at adding some Star capacity across the atlantic?

Is DL going back down to 5 x weekly on JFK? What is AA doing on JFK and ORD, also 5?

US have had a very good summer on the atlantic. There are rumours from a good source about a Charlotte - Dublin flight on a seasonal basis. Perhaps given their strength at MAN, something similar is being considered?



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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 29844 times:

The A380 went around today apparently   That didn't take them long!


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User currently onlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 29811 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 21):
The A380 went around today apparently   That didn't take them long!

Was it too windy/gusty?



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User currently offlineEGCC777LR From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 29791 times:
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Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 21):
The A380 went around today apparently That didn't take them long!
Quoting oly720man (Reply 22):
Was it too windy/gusty?

A windy September day in MAN is obviously more challenging than DXB  



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User currently offlineRingway From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 29785 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 21):
The A380 went around today apparently

I saw that too on FR24. I watched him descending over Knutsford then he came up again and banked south heading towards Crewe and lined up again.


25 ferengi80 : If that is going to be the case on a regular basis, which it probably is, what are the chances of them pulling the 777 from the EK19/EK20 and replaci
26 Daleaholic : Had two reasons given to me for the go around. One is that it lined up for the wrong runway... Another is that there was a helicopter crossing the air
27 manchesteruk : i was there today i saw it touch down saw the smoke from the tyres but the nose stayed high then powered up again,great to see,! hope somebody had it
28 stuart1044 : Thats would be some sight!! Did it land on 5L instead of 5R then (taking that they are still on th 5's)
29 Post contains images manchesteruk : yes it landed on 5R different to all other traffic, could see it from viewing park just before touch down,that concorde hangar impares the view until
30 col : This is not a go around, this is a touch and go. Double landing fees me thinks!!
31 skipness1E : I've seen a lot of missed approaches but I have never seen a commercial flight do a touch and go, what happened to cause this?
32 tapman : Think the touch and go was due to the strong winds, although sounds like she landed hard on the wheels. Suffered a delay this afternoon EK018 apparent
33 fca767 : I wonder...How does it work when you put in an A380 and suddenly the extra passengers just spring up out of nowhere? Is it basically diverting all th
34 manchesteruk : was really windy out there today, just the rear wheels touched was down for about a couple seconds then up again..
35 Post contains links migair54 : I touch and go could be performed if they do a hard very hard landing.... it´s not a deliberate touch and go it´s more a go around... here a VS A340
36 LisbonBearUK : Away for the A380 for a minute if we may? So where is the expansion from WW that we were promised for this winter and next summer? Also, will we EVER
37 danfearn77 : apparently so. Was showing a 15:50 departure time earlier. It seems there was a strong crosswind as It touched, forcing it to land hard. who knows. I
38 oly720man : ETD 17.10 according to flightstats
39 Post contains images fca767 : so it's like they're taking the business from heathrow (Which I don't mind) and bringing it to manchester. All we need now is Singapore to do it...bu
40 oly720man : Have pax numbers at BHX, GLA or NCL seen any shifts?
41 mainMAN : 17.06......Final boarding according to the MAN website. I'm busy laying a concrete foundation in my garden, due east in Tameside, waiting for it to f
42 Post contains links jamies80085 : just read this about a possiable upgrade to pier b t1, anyone know anything else? http://www.aedas.com/Europe/ManchesterAirportTerminal1 Jamie
43 Daleaholic : Apparently the A380 is nightstopping! Oops!
44 dptMAN : I was on today's EK017, we came into land on 5R touched down really hard on what seemed to be just the rear landing gear and took off again. The capta
45 Post contains images Daleaholic : Something is bent on the landing gear apparently!!! Must've been a very, very hard landing!
46 Post contains links fca767 : Was it like this one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cXmMVw47o
47 EGCC777LR : I was at MAN yesterday and it was a windy afternoon, a couple of 744's and a TCX 763 landed fairly hard on 05L, in fact the 763 had a couple of bounce
48 oly720man : They may have some spare parts at LHR.
49 Post contains links manchesteruk : got a video from today just found online, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xEj9RosE2E&feature=channel
50 manchesteruk : is it staying over night then any news on the damage done??
51 AI : My cousin arrived on A380 on 4th Sept & she said that it was a very hard landing as well. Apparently hard enough to scare off a few pax onboard. A
52 david_itl : Passenger numbers in August....2.091 million according to the MAN facebook page. i reckon it's a 3.2% fall on August 2009.[Edited 2010-09-06 13:18:11]
53 migair54 : 2.091 million??? pretty good loads!!!!! load factors like in the indian trains during rush hour...... hehheehhehe.....
54 david_itl : If I've read the EK website correctly, the flight number for the delayed flight should be EK8018. Looks like departure at 1400 so 2 A380s on the groun
55 Post contains links jamies80085 : from what i understand on the emirates website, http://www.emirates.com/uk/english/p...04a7c94f577c56ecc4eca3f3da8983d4ce it says 1400 is the likely
56 HT : EK 020 (the evening service using a B777) pushed back a moment ago 45 minutes late. The A380's cabin is dark (seen from my hotel room at the Radisson)
57 HT : Ship A6-EDL was towed to a position outside the TCX-hangar at 0300h tonight. Currently no signs of activity. MAN's departure board meanwhile shows it
58 HT : Saw a billboard directed at delayed EK-passengers this morning while heading for breakfast at the Radisson this morning. Not sure if they had been ab
59 oly720man : And it was the one that did the inaugural service on 1 Sept.
60 bochora : A6-EDH on its way today, FL400 over Slovakia.
61 HT : Hopefully I will be able to watch it landing on 23R at 1232h while waiting to board for my BE-flight back to HAJ (hopefully not delayed again by 5 ho
62 Post contains links bochora : You can see what happened with the go around at http://casper.frontier.nl/egcc/ and select from 1225 yesterday. Chose a higher approach speed the seco
63 fca767 : I see on the Live that a plane AMS-France is over isle of man making zig zags that aren't really possible so I'm a bit sceptical
64 bochora : Well it is usually pretty reliable and Isle of Man is on the boundary of coverage so I think that may be why. It does show the route of the EK though
65 mainMAN : Just noticed from flightradar24 that EK018 has left, but 8018 sill hasn't (an hour late already). Also today's CY to LCA was operated by a 330.
66 groobster : flightradar24 have both flights listed as EK018. Both are airbourne. EK18 ahead of EK8018 by about half an hour.
67 bochora : Yesterday's EK18 callsign is Emirates 18D[Edited 2010-09-07 07:22:03]
68 scottiedog : ILS now CAT III on both 05L and 23R - at last. It seems to have taken an age.
69 Post contains links david_itl : Gerson Lehman Group report on the A380 and MAN. Looks a bit patronising in my opinion. The idea that they''ve gone with F class on a "neeeded to" basi
70 RyanairGuru : This article seems to make a series of unsubstantiated claims and that's about it...... "Outside of London, Manchester is home to some of the largest
71 Post contains links oly720man : It does say that Analyses are solely the work of the authors and have not been edited or endorsed by GLG. so you do wonder what the agenda is and for
72 mainMAN : Does anyone else think EK should judt move its enire operation to MAN I think this author needs to 'go figure' himself!! What an illiterate and ignora
73 Post contains images fca767 : "About Gerson Lehrman Group Intelligently connecting institutions and expertise. Gerson Lehrman Group (GLG) is the global marketplace for expertise. S
74 RyanairGuru : Melbourne??? Melbourne does not have A380 services. And it has a population of 3.2 million. Unless of course you're talking about somewhere else but
75 oly720man : ...Emirates A380 services. QF and SQ fly there.
76 RyanairGuru : Duh! Now I feel stupid!!! But yes, Melbourne's population is a hell of a lot more than 92,000 Wikipedia says that the population for the metropolitan
77 mainMAN : It was tongue in cheek........... I was referring to The City of Melbourne's population of 93,000 (true - look it up), and the City of Manchester's p
78 rutankrd : Actually Manchester and Heathrow are both getting the non crew rest (increased seating) UAE A388 now The early model variety haven't visited Lhr on a
79 Post contains images fca767 : Actually I do like this interface It's working really well tonight compared to radarvirtuel as its displaying all the planes
80 danfearn77 : They'll need it. 515 on today's EK017. Amazing! I never expected loads like that!
81 mainMAN : That is arguable, and not particularly quantifiable. Manchester is in the world's top 50 convention.conference destinations, somewhere near Boston an
82 ferengi80 : There is a very interesting article in this month's Airliner World discussing passenger numbers at UK airports. Yes, Birmingham is the UK's second la
83 david_itl : It all ties in with what they said. Wonder how tempting it is for them to announce EK19 as an A380 service and launch EK21/22 on A330 in the short-te
84 danfearn77 : If the figures keep up i cant see it being long before either a third daily or EK019 goes to A380. I would, as a guess, say that they'd go with the l
85 david_itl : From what I can gather, EK21/22 is set for May next year at the latest. EK23/24 will probably be on stream late 2012/2013 (but perhaps that may slip a
86 danfearn77 : Say a third daily is added by July next year, when could we expect EK019/20 to become an A380? if they are bringing in a full 777 every evening that t
87 david_itl : If EK don't want the double of extra frequency and 2nd A380 at the same time but just the 3rd flight, then it's probably going to be March 2012ish whe
88 HT : Hadn't there been talk earlier this year that with the introduction of the A380 as EK17/18 the daily cargo capacity available for non-pax related carg
89 Post contains images gkirk : Replace the A332 at NCL with a 77W, and send the cargo from there
90 david_itl : I'd laugh my head off if MAN went 3 daily before NCL had the upgrade! ___ I wonder where the DSA "based" U2 A319 will disappear to come the 5th Janua
91 Post contains images gkirk : Back to it's "base" at LPL, I'd imagine. Bare in mind, the catchment area of NCL is tiny
92 Post contains links EZY320 : http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...rivals_with_cheeky_advert_campaign Interesting!
93 MAN2SIN2BKK : If I remember correctly MAN did something similar in the early 90's, to the point they had posters around Heathrow itself
94 LisbonBearUK : I heard something quite bizarre today regarding what MAplc are apparently doing with their international to international transit passengers who say,
95 spud757 : sounds like a receipe for missed flight... pager lost or stops working etc. Perhaps T3 departure screens could be added around T1 if there are suffic
96 EZY320 : T3 is now the poor relation but this is because it has simply outgrown itself. Don't forget that up until a few years back, T3 was predominently a dom
97 HT : I departed from T3 on BE a week ago on a BE-flight leaving at 1pm on a Tuesday. Security was cleared in no time. Once airside, there was a fairly lar
98 GT4EZY : It depends what you mean by glitzy. Has Manchester Airport categorically said that T3 will be a "low cost" terminal or just that they are placing the
99 Post contains images helvknight : Are there any charters to SZG for City's Europa League tie today? As far as I'm aware a lot of fans are flying to MUC and getting the train. Also I sa
100 david_itl : Was Titan Airways that flew Man City out in a 737. There's a couple of charters - Jet2 and Viking.
101 skipness1E : How hard would it be to link T1 and T3 airside? There was until recently a landside corridor between T1 and T3 that had great views of the apron. As f
102 gkirk : Jet2 have added another frequency to Tel Aviv next summer. New flight ops on Tuesdays between 12th July to 6th September. Route now will be 3 x weekly
103 mainMAN : I'm assuming linking T1 and T3 would be relatively straightforward, seeing as T3 encroaches onto T1 at the bottom of the B pier (at least, the last ti
104 spud757 : This is one area where T3 does need an upgrade - there is no IRIS or e-passport facility for UK/EU passengers to cut the queue down as there is in T1
105 Post contains links oly720man : They're looking, but not biting.... so far Mr Danoor says he is always eyeing up new routes, including a direct flight from Manchester. "Every year w
106 Post contains images LN-KGL : Many of you talk about poor space at the three terminals at MAN, but compared with the peak year 2006, MAN has lost almost 25% of its passengers. The
107 GT4EZY : Pretty good analysis LN-KGL. Although I live in Manchester, i'm not going to defend MAN to the bitter end but........ most passengers and the travel t
108 gkirk : T1 evacuated this morning due to a suspicious bag being found going through the x-ray scanners.
109 BrianDromey : I'm not sure that EI would move from T1. They have decided that LCC behaviour is not the way forward. They are going to focus on yield rather than vo
110 Daleaholic : T1 open again but with knock on delays...
111 GT4EZY : Again guys, there is no suggestion that terminal 3 will become a "physical" low cost terminal. With that in mind, EI will be more interested about se
112 LN-KGL : For departing passengers the distance and time spent from curb to passenger seat that counts, and I think this applies to both the business passenger
113 GT4EZY : An unfair comparison. LCY is effectively serving a niche......a niche that most, if not all, major airports fail to serve. My comment refers to stati
114 gkirk : Southern Lakes would choose MAN, or BLK. Northern Lakes would be easier to use Newcastle.
115 david_itl : Funnily enough me and my family in August 2007 arrived on stand on BE371 from Exeter at 0745, got our luggage at 0755 and were home 5 muiles away at
116 groobster : I flew in on EK17 last month, landed at 12:25, I was home by 13:30, and I live 45 minutes drive away on a good day. Swings and roundabouts.
117 david_itl : 5 footy charter flights for tomorrows Man Utd v Liverpool game: WX0326 09:00 DUB Scheduled 09:00 T31101 09:45 ABZ Scheduled 09:45 RE0880 10:00 DUB Sch
118 Post contains images LN-KGL : I suspect the majority is Liverpool FC supporters David Funny that you mention Newcastle International, my latest flight from a UK airport was out of
119 gkirk : Ryanair by any chance?
120 LN-KGL : Spot on gkirk - NCL-RYG
121 Post contains images spud757 : yep i live west side of sheffield where i have easy access across the peaks on the A628 or A57 or I can take the transpennine express train direct to
122 david_itl : Perhaps MAN is hinting at the expected announcement that NZ is coming to MAN via LAX/SFO/PVG/HKG (making up their mind which way to come, HKG may be
123 LN-KGL : Could be David, but I doubt it. The CX flight from HKG would not be a direct. I have heard Moscow as an option. Rumours even says a stop at OSL is po
124 RyanairGuru : First of all, really interesting reading! Thanks for crunching the numbers. Don't forget Summer 05 was when FR started at LPL so that could have draw
125 Post contains images LN-KGL : Sorry, my bad - but I did get the island right, the North Island
126 skord : ... this reminds me, i heard a rumour this week that BD are planning to make all their MAN-LHR flights ERJ-operated flights!! Has anyone else heard o
127 david_itl : Therefore, I just wonder how soon will come true!
128 BY738 : I would be surprised at a MAN ANZ flight
129 RyanairGuru : Surely a ER4 is a waste of an LHR slot? If they can't operate a A32X profitably then they may as well pull the route and sell the slots/use them for
130 skord : I couldnt agree more! maybe this is LH just protecting the slots, moving the A-3XX to more lucrative routes, and possibly the demise of BD doing MAN-
131 rutankrd : Have said before and will again Heathrow in a *A focus city . Almost all the *A long haul can be sustained by virtue of London Business demand alone.
132 Post contains images gkirk : You'll probably find a lot of connections on BA NCL/ABZ/GLA/EDI/MAN to LHR VS flights Newmarket Holidays especially promote BA/VS connections at LHR
133 david_itl : But with BD, you get the VS4xxx codeshares so passengers might get confused into thinking Virgins going down under from the regions.
134 danfearn77 : What ever happened to the proposed Air China route?!! Got to love rumours! Wouldnt be a bad shout though.
135 david_itl : Think it's now on the backburner. But should CX start HKG (and it will be non-stop, I believe, when it starts), I would not be that surprised if CA co
136 Daleaholic : A380 isn't having such a good time at the moment here at MAN... The outer airbridge which reaches the top deck is out of service until further notice.
137 GT4EZY : I love how people see EK as being the holy grail, the god mother of MAN etc. If the wife of the LH CEO slipped and fell there wouldn't be any such co
138 skipness1E : Two things : You haven't a hope in Hell of Air New Zealand operating their own metal through MAN. The bmi operation is not a waste of a Heathrow slot
139 Humberside : While I appreciate you were reviewing long haul, I expect the former BMed medium haul network plus Saudi/DME create quite a few LHR connections? Woul
140 RyanairGuru : I know, but I concur with rutankrd... LH could not care less about feeding VS, and the only Star destination from LHR *not* reachable through FRA and
141 MAN2SIN2BKK : I am sure there would if LH had just started a daily flight with one of their new A380s to say LAX or SFO!
142 skipness1E : Odd that as I thought the whole point of Lufthansa buying BMI was to feed the STAR ALLIANCE at Heathrow. I only mention it as they are moving all the
143 GT4EZY : That notion is just as bad. i.e it matters because it's an A380 to SFO and not a 319 to MUC.
144 Humberside : They do, but that still doesn't stop them generating connecting traffic
145 RyanairGuru : Actually you are right, MAN - LHR is going nowhere... ... I was expressing an opinion rather than reality: I should have made that clearer. Sorry!
146 danfearn77 : I agree the chances are minimal, but what if they got it routed through HKG or PEK? Maybe that could work? Also what about JQ? Agreed, certainly from
147 LisbonBearUK : How many European capital cicites lose their Manchester links in the winter? Just LIS?
148 skipness1E : Not quite as that's biased in favour of airlines you have chosen. There are other good one stop options : Long haul Star on a one stop basis over LHR
149 mainMAN : Minsk and Ljubljana are also seasonal
150 david_itl : August trafffic in numbers: Movements down 3.56% to 16140 (but with an increase in domestic movements?!) Passengers (terminal): Dom down 9,1% to 20895
151 mainMAN : I'm going to have to stop reading statistics, the figures are surely going to have to level out at some stage.......although a 2.62% drop isn't quite
152 gkirk : Usually around November-December time, they're quite late compared to the likes of FlyBe and Jet2
153 LN-KGL : Both June and July was better than August mainMAN, and the big drop in May and April was mainly due to the Icelandic volcanic ash; i.e. probably bett
154 col : Is this drop mostly LHR/LGW?
155 YVRLTN : There was a rumor when NZ first came to YVR a couple of years back that there would be a tag on to MAN. Have not heard anything further on that, thou
156 zkojh : Quoting skipness1E (Reply 138): haven't a hope in Hell of Air New Zealand operating their own metal through MAN How sure are you on this huh! MAN is v
157 danfearn77 : DL JFK-ATH diverted in on a full emergency this morning. Smoke in the cabin and cockpit.
158 skipness1E : The view from the UK is a little different. Sure ANZ marketing are going to this that and the other with their shiny new toys when the 787s arrive bu
159 david_itl : With the crappest will to make it work you mean, And operating it in 1993/1994 is not quite the same as operating it from 2011/2012 "who need to fill
160 danfearn77 : I agree with you both here. As Skipness1E says, EK need to fill their A380 (in the same way that EY need to fill their 777, QR their A330 and DL thei
161 LisbonBearUK : This thread lacks any serious news about MAN.
162 col : I think a codeshare CA/NZ/BD MAN-PEK-AKL would do very nicely. Not sure about US West Coast. Certainly new US flights via DTW/ORD on Skyteam and Star
163 koruman : Those of us with strong Air NZ links all know that MAN is a certainty within three years. The airline specializes in using it's lower cost base to ser
164 LH121GLA : MS to CAI ...
165 koruman : I should have added one more detail with regard to Air NZ. NZ government stats derived from arrival documentation reportedly show more inbound visitor
166 Post contains links oly720man : Jet2 starting to the Dordogne next year, for all those 2nd home owners & property speculators. The twice weekly flights will operate from 21st May
167 danfearn77 : I think your right. If they go through HKG/PEK they are up against SQ/EK/EY and QR. The four I mention do offer HKG and PEK one stop rather than dire
168 col : My own opinion is that the yield will be higher via PEK. Via PEK you open up Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China and possibly Vietnam/Philippines. It is also
169 koruman : "LAX is for Disney visitors" whereas PEK offers higher yields? Quick, someone tell the people of LA/ Riverside / Orange County - with it's $800 billio
170 david_itl : The PK 777 involved in the bomb threat is routing into MAN at 1700. Should be AP-BGY.
171 david_itl : and it's duly departed at 2023 going off the website.
172 Post contains links oly720man : Bangladesh Biman (yes I know) are now looking to restart JFK in 2011 and that presumably means MAN will be the en-route stopover given MAN is also on
173 mainMAN : I've just found a MAN publication timetable for summer 2000. If anyone wants to know who was flying where, and when, let me know. Milan MXP - how the
174 mainMAN : How about this.... Dubai 1234567 1400 EK036/BA6753 Airbus 330 Oh the irony!!
175 Post contains links and images oly720man : They were still being used last year. View Large View MediumPhoto © EnXiAn-China Aviation Spotters
176 oly720man : When it all started November 1990 arr 12.10 EK005 dep 13.40 EK006 Weds, Fri, A310
177 mainMAN : Cheers, I'm assuming they were largely LGW based thereafter. I'd forgotten this probably because because you'd expect the older 734s to have been pha
178 danfearn77 : Wow. Scary! So from two weekly A310 ops we now have 7 Weekly A380's and 7 Weekly 77W!
179 david_itl : Even more scary is that it routed via FRA to begin with, so not all the capacity was available to MAN pax!
180 oly720man : I did wonder. It's not in the Flightcheck as via FRA. Later sevices were via ZRH, afaik.
181 david_itl : They also used CDG. The ZRH runs were the last ones before total non-stop. Think they went 3 weekly non-stop using A310s, 2 via ZRH using A300s, fligh
182 oly720man : In June 93 it was 4/week EK22 dep 14.00 Mon, Wed EK24 dep 20.30 Thu, Sat In 1996 it was 5/week, Sat, Sun, Mon, Weds, Thurs, EK35/37.
183 MAN2SIN2BKK : I remember that; I flew with EK to HK in November 96, January and February 97; the Sunday flight was via Zurich; we stayed onboard during the stop an
184 skipness1E : I work in an office full of marketeers who sound excatly like you. They don't live in the same world as the rest of us but everything will be bigger
185 HT : Getting slightly off-topic, but I made similar routings, albeit departing from FRA which by then was served by EK utilizing A306 routing via ATH (Hel
186 Post contains links MattUK : Flybe just announced 2 new routes from Manchester. MAN-ABZ up to 3 x daily from the 7th December 2010 MAN-NTE up to 4 x weekly from the 6th December 2
187 Post contains images Daleaholic : Not much going on at MAN at the moment... TOM had a bad day on Wednesday, the NCL-MAN-CUN transit flight went tech when it arrived here at MAN, anothe
188 david_itl : AF and BCY off to T3 from T2. Suggestions elsewhere of MAN-BEG by U2. Now that's comnpletely out of the box!
189 Daleaholic : What about KL? Doesn't make sense for AF to move and KL stay put...
190 gkirk : Was wondering why that was so late getting into NCL...
191 LisbonBearUK : AF would never move to T3...why would they leave their SkyTeam partners for that dump?
192 EZY320 : According to the airport website, the move is confirmed!
193 Jetset7E7 : Codesharing with Flybe, AF dropping down to 3 flights a day, BE to operate 3. Was a bit pointless CityJet moving over to T2 for a 2/3 months really.
194 scottiedog : Courtesy of Airline Route British Airways will at last start code-sharing ex-Manchester AA054/AA055 BA1500/BA1501 Chicago/Manchester/Chicago AA210/AA2
195 GT4EZY : Is it really a dump?
196 mainMAN : Precisely what I thought. I've always liked T3, it serves its purpose very well.
197 david_itl : Just trying to work my head round this that you've posted elsewhere: "The issue is that most "good" carriers don't want the hassle and expense of a s
198 mainMAN : The last time I remember MAN making any noise about a new route was Cathay Pacific to Moscow and Hong Kong, and since then they haven't put them out
199 Post contains links LH121GLA : Seems they have chosen to recycle BA1502/BA1503 too on LHR-BOS-LHR ... I think these were the MAN-JFK-MAN flight numbers before it went? http://airli
200 LisbonBearUK : I am staggered a quality airline like AF want to subject their passengers to T3 - piss poor facilities, rubbish business lounges, no IRIS, e-passport
201 david_itl : Which other Skyteam services are you thinking of? The principal 3: OK = pulling out and why would you route CDG-MAN-PRG. Not that you could do it any
202 GT4EZY : Oh come off it please. T3 isn't all that bad and at the end of the day, AF isn't being forced to move.....they are moving of their own accord so why
203 spud757 : Seems good sense to co-locate with BE for domestic regional transfers across the BE network from MAN. Will AF premium passengers use the BE lounge or
204 mainMAN : You're entitled to your opinion, but consider precisely how people use airports...... from my own perspective, when I use T3 (generally to the Isle o
205 GT4EZY : Absolutely and dispells the myth that business pax spend a fortune in the terminal......they don't. It's the leisure pax who spend at the airport as
206 GT4EZY : Hearing a rumour on the "other" forum about some possible terminal changes. KL T2 to T3 To join AF DL T2 to T3 To join AFKL BD T3 to T1 to join LH U2
207 BrianDromey : KL with AF makes sense, if they use common handling agents, resources, etc. For BD it would be a move back to T1, this might be coupled with BD handl
208 mainMAN : I often ponder this (sometimes perceived to be a problem for low cost carriers) but nothing can prepare you for the trek out to the Polderbaan at Ams
209 GT4EZY : Absolutely and AMS has also been considered several times as a base. Some a.netters seem to take the "LCC rules" of a decade ago and regard them as t
210 GT4EZY : A combined T1 and T3 would be nice but check in accommodation would be pretty difficult. If check in was to remain as it is now, it would could also
211 LisbonBearUK : Oh no, that couldn't possibly happen because david_itl says it shouldn't...even though most of us think it should. Hmmmm... Icelandair are also movin
212 GT4EZY : I think they already have.
213 LisbonBearUK : Sept Pax - 1,932,253 down 1.59% 12m ending 30.09.10 - 17,801,832 down 8.04% Sept Movements - 15,489 down 4.22% Freight - 9,337 up 7.35%
214 gayrugbyman : I remember when I first started working at MAN in 2000, they said then that QF/SA/GF/MK pulled out because T2 was too far from the runway! Clearly non
215 GT4EZY : You make it sound like it's confirmed. Do you know something?[Edited 2010-10-04 13:01:49]
216 mainMAN : No, I don't think so. DL are continuing, which is a relief after last winter's post-BA New York famine. Not sure if DL's daily, but I doubt it, proba
217 david_itl : What's interesting are the splits; 1.8% more domestic movements to carry 6.79% fewer passengers (215581) 2.75% fewer international scheduled movement
218 david_itl : DL is meant to be 5 weekly this winter to JFK. MAN could feature in 1 of 2 ways on Wednesday: confimation that the JFK route goes year round from nex
219 Post contains images mainMAN : It would be better, and maybe T3 check in could be domestic only. Just a thought Well, their flights have just been given BA codes too, and they're a
220 gayrugbyman : ....or a BOS resumption.
221 gkirk : Viking Hellas reducing MAN-ATH from 4 weekly to 2 weekly from November. Don't know if this change is just a seasonal reduction, or permanent.
222 skord : Not surpried..... what the hell is going on with them? The flight last fri was due out to ATH at 1300hrs...a/c went tech in Paris so pax put in brita
223 mainMAN : Do you have any idea generally what their loads are like? I wouldn't be surprised if they carry very few ATH-MAN passengers and are used primarily to
224 skord : They have ranged from mid-30's up to 140's in and out of MAN. I dont know what the split is between MAN-ATH and onwards, but loads are very inconsista
225 Post contains images mainMAN : Thanks skord, that's interesting; there's obviously a need for connections between MAN and Iraq. I don't know too much about Iraqis in the North/Midla
226 Daleaholic : Singapore had to be towed onto stand today after the brakes got too hot. Fire engines attended as the brakes were actually smoking. Aircraft was sat o
227 skipness1E : Has G-VTOP swapped places with G-VXLG at Air Livery?
228 danfearn77 : I heard it had a very hard landing?
229 BlueShamu330s : A question for anyone in the know: Flying out of the delightful T2 next week on a (shudder) charter. Terminal Two, which is the better of the 2 lounge
230 david_itl : Looks like AA's JFK route is to go year-round. Timetable search on the MAN website now shows the schedule through to 06/10/11 i.e. a year from now. It
231 MattUK : In my opinion the Escape Lounge is far superior. Neither have airfield views (as in T1), but the Escape Lounge offers a better selection of snacks /
232 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : Thanks Matt. On another subject, I understand ORD returns to the * Alliance network as of Q2 2011. Rgds
233 Post contains links oly720man : MAN from/to Taiwan news. More cargo flights and room for pax flights. Taipei, Oct. 7 (CNA) Taiwan amended an air pact with the United Kingdom Thursday
234 david_itl : BEs's MAN-BOH is ceasing at the end of the summer timetable and I gather that it's MAN's turn for 3 routes to be announced by U2 very soon.
235 BlueShamu330s : I guess we can therefore let the guessing / wishing begin..... CAI TLV MAD Rgds
236 LisbonBearUK : Lisbon is very probable switch from LPL I've heard.
237 harleyf150 : It does look like Air France are moving to T3,we had an email yesterday saying that from the 31st of October both AF and Cityjet would move to T3
238 GT4EZY : I don't think it was ever under any doubt as it was announced on the MAN website.
239 gkirk : Read some rumours elsewhere (may have been over on that other website), that easyJet may be moving to T2?
240 GT4EZY : The move is under consideration. Easyjet are concerned about T3's capacity especially with expansion in mind and now because AF are moving there. At
241 danfearn77 : Notice EY were operating the a330 today. When did it go back to this type? Can't see them wanting to keep it on the route for long considering the hig
242 gkirk : Believe it's gone back to an A330 for the next month or so, but I believe A340s may also be used at some point. Should return back to 77W in November
243 danfearn77 : Ah thanks mate. I'm not sure what i'd like more, A346 or a B777! Hopefully it doesn't stay A330 for too long.
244 danfearn77 : Done a bit of digging and it seems the A332 is only around for another month. B77W to operate daily again from November 12th. Excellent news. Why was
245 rutankrd : Likely Hajj demand elsewhere (India) for the bigger craft!
246 MANmatt : Some of the 777s are having some work done on them.
247 danfearn77 : Do we know what type of work? New seats/interiors or just maintenance etc? need to try out EY soon i think.
248 blueshamu330s : I have it on very very good authority from 2 sources that Delta has penned in the A333 for the ATL run from May 2011, to be confirmed and firmed up th
249 Daleaholic : Wouldn't surprise me at all, Only have to look at US... they carry a lot of cargo, imagine thats one reason for the change. DL 763's carry enough car
250 danfearn77 : Wow...If true that is another good piece of news. Long haul at MAN has been a relatively good success story this year.
251 col : I think the only think left for DL to operate to MAN now are the ex NW 744!! The 333 will probably mean the DTW rumor stays that way. Shame really, DT
252 MANmatt : Can't remember off the top of my head. I read today that EY are to open only their 3rd lounge outside AUH in MAN. I would think this will be the case
253 Post contains links david_itl : MAN news 40 time! Some slight number crunching in the 1st post with the provisional Sept figures released by the CAA.
254 Post contains links srbmod : Please continue the discussion here: MAN News 40 (by david_itl Oct 14 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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