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Delta Inaugural To Monrovia, Liberia  
User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17317 times:

Hello from Accra, Ghana.

Delta's inaugural flight to ROB will be leaving from here in just a few hours. An exciting new route, and the first US service to Liberia since Pan Am more than 20 years ago.

It's an overcast day here in ACC. The inbound flight from Atlanta should be landing momentarily.

I'll add more details to this thread later in the afternoon....

[Edited 2010-09-05 03:48:28]


Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17178 times:

Good news ...
It sounds logical at the same time, DL's strong partner Air France is studying to re-open Monrovia (ROB) and Freetown (FNA) ...


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17085 times:

Wasn´t it supposed to fly via SID? Is it flying via ACC then? It is a 757?

Thanks for the info  



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16831 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 2):

Nope, on a 763ER. Showing about halfway to ROB as I type this.



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16768 times:

Great news! Maybe LAD will be the next new African destination?

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 2):
Wasn´t it supposed to fly via SID? Is it flying via ACC then? It is a 757?

Originally yes, it was supposed to be via SID on a 757.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16638 times:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 4):
Great news! Maybe LAD will be the next new African destination?

If it weren't for the TSA, DL would be having a lot more African destinations right now.... Next to LAD, NBO and a few others are on DL's list.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
It sounds logical at the same time, DL's strong partner Air France is studying to re-open Monrovia (ROB) and Freetown (FNA) ...

Isn't ROB and FNA suppose to be served out of AMS by KL? The last rumour I heard was that DL and AF/KL would cooperate whereby KL would (re)start AMS-ROB on some of the days that DL doesn't serve ROB themselves.


User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1876 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16307 times:

Is Delta the only US carrier serving the continent currently?

A rather amazing route network they've built. I've been curious about many of the African cities they currently serve; especially those in Northern Africa. I, knowing little about Africa Aviation, assume Dakar, Cairo, and Accra are mainly large African tourist destinations? Are they serving these destinations soley from JFK or are these flights out of ATL? Doesn't DL also fly SA non-stop from ATL? I imagine SA would attract both business and leisure traffic.

Anyone know if Delta has a route map which doesn't include their codeshare partners? I tried Delta.com however it showed the combined route network which obviously includes routes not operated by Delta itself.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16131 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 5):
Isn't ROB and FNA suppose to be served out of AMS by KL? The last rumour I heard was that DL and AF/KL would cooperate whereby KL would (re)start AMS-ROB on some of the days that DL doesn't serve ROB themselves.

KL is more "in charge" of East Africa while AF is more concentrated in West Africa. The only country served by both AF & KL now in West Africa is Nigeria.
In East Africa, only JIB is served by AF for political and military reasons.

In the past, UTA already served ROB and FNA ...


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16133 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 6):

UA serves Africa now from IAD to ACC I believe.


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15917 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
KL is more "in charge" of East Africa while AF is more concentrated in West Africa. The only country served by both AF & KL now in West Africa is Nigeria.

KL is more in charge of the english speaking african countries.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
In the past, UTA already served ROB and FNA ...

So did KLM. Both Monrovia and Freetown had been served by KLM for a long time up till the early 90s when the civil wars broke out in both countries. Both, ROB and FNA were used as refueling points up till the 1980s, latest by DC8s, for all KLM flights heading for Surinam, Brazil and further onwards. When the A310s came to their fleet, KLM started serving FNA and ROB as dedicated destinations.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15270 times:

Quoting aviateur (Thread starter):
Delta's inaugural flight to ROB will be leaving from here in just a few hours. An exciting new route, and the first US service to Liberia since Pan Am more than 20 years ago.

Pan Am built the airport at ROB during WWII under contract to the US military.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15175 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 6):
I, knowing little about Africa Aviation, assume Dakar, Cairo, and Accra are mainly large African tourist destinations? Are they serving these destinations soley from JFK or are these flights out of ATL?

CAI is a pretty big tourist destination, plus plenty of VFR traffic, and business links as well. Flight originates in ATL.


User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15018 times:

So, what kind of routeing is it? Triangular JFK-ACC-ROB-JFK or more like ROB being a tag-on of the ACC route? The latter would seem strange since we are talking serious backtracking here.

I think DL should push further their mini-hub in DKR and serve those smaller west Africa cities from there. Dakar is perfectly located and Senegal is a politically stable country (for the region). It should have a decent O/D amount provided DL finds a way to get freedom rights onward, and a modern airport is being built.

All the best to DL in Africa!


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4871 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14914 times:
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Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 6):
assume Dakar, Cairo, and Accra are mainly large African tourist destinations? Are they serving these destinations soley from JFK or are these flights out of ATL? Doesn't DL also fly SA non-stop from ATL? I imagine SA would attract both business and leisure traffic.

Only CAI and JNB have sizeable tourist traffic. The others are mostly VFR, with some NGOs, etc.

This winter, DL metal will be on the following Africa services:

JFK-CAI Daily 763ER
JFK-ACC 4x weekly 763ER
JFK-DKR 3x weekly 752
ATL-JNB Daily 772LR
ATL-LOS 6x weekly 772ER
ATL-ACC-ROB 1x weekly 763ER
ATL-ACC-ABV 2x weekly 763ER

Quoting directorguy (Reply 11):
CAI is a pretty big tourist destination, plus plenty of VFR traffic, and business links as well. Flight originates in ATL.

It's a thru-flight number (DL 84) but with a change of equipment (from 757 to 763ER) at JFK.


User currently offlineiflyCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14352 times:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 4):

Why did they decide to route it through ACC instead?


User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14310 times:

I think the most noteworthy thing is what a big deal this inauguration was to the Liberian people. Not many * good * things have happened in Liberia over the past several years. Delta's new service is a boost to the nation's self-esteem.

On arrival, on a rainswept tarmac at Roberts Field, the cockpit windows were opened and large Liberian and American flags were unfurled. The jet (N1609) parked at the VIP ramp, and the crew disembarked into a huge reception. There were dignitaries from the UN and various Liberian government agencies, including the President herself, Ellen Johnson Sirlief. The crew was interviewed by various local media, including Liberian TV and the AP.

Johnson Sirlief was one of several VIPs who addressed the crowd, speaking from a podium decorated with a pair of Delta 767 models. A ribbon-cutting and reception followed.

This was the first service at ROB by a scheduled US carrier since Pan Am in 1990, a fact that Johnson Sirlief specifically mentioned in her speech.

The outbound flight back to ACC (and onward to ATL) left about 20 minutes late due to a brief flight plan SNAFU. For a first flight into/out of a developing country things went remarkably smooth (literally, save for some pretty substantial turbulence during the climbout, and the bumpy runway at ROB).

All in all a terrific and exciting experience -- something both the Liberian people and DL employees should be very proud of. The latest, if small step in what is hopefully a new chapter for Liberia.


(Technical notes: Good ATC handling by the ROB controllers, as well as Abidjan and the usual professional service at ACC. Things are looking up in West Africa! Abidjan control now has CPDLC interface!)


PS

[Edited 2010-09-05 14:26:55]


Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineoa412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14217 times:

Quoting iflyCA (Reply 14):
Why did they decide to route it through ACC instead?

When ROB was initially announced, DL planned to serve SSG, LAD, ABV, and ROB on 757s with a stop at SID. As I recall, DL was unable to obtain permission from the Angolan and Equatorial Guinean Governments to serve LAD and SSG respectively and ROB was put on temporary hold by DHS. Thus, ABV was the only route started and it has been flown alternatively as a nonstop from JFK and as a onestop via ACC. As a result, since ROB is a once-weekly flight, it made little sense to open up SID for a once weekly connecting flight when they already have an established station at ACC.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

Does anyone know the difference between ROB and MLW? I recently read that ASKY is going to start service to Monrovia to connect to ET's flight at LFW, but that ASKY will be flying to MLW instead of ROB. Are there other carriers at MLW? I always thought MLW was the city code but there appears to be an airport MLW, but i don't see any flight activity.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 13):
ATL-LOS 6x weekly 772ER

Boy would I like to see video of that (on youtube) landing in LOS.


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User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11211 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 17):
Does anyone know the difference between ROB and MLW? I recently read that ASKY is going to start service to Monrovia to connect to ET's flight at LFW, but that ASKY will be flying to MLW instead of ROB. Are there other carriers at MLW? I always thought MLW was the city code but there appears to be an airport MLW, but i don't see any flight activity.


MLW is a very small airport and has 1short runway (6000 feet). Only one airline seems to serve that airport , the Cameroon-based airline Elysian Airlines . The airport lacks basic infrastructure and is DL will never take the chance to serve a sub-par airport .


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11107 times:
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Quoting aviateur (Reply 15):
Technical notes: Good ATC handling by the ROB controllers, as well as Abidjan and the usual professional service at ACC. Things are looking up in West Africa! Abidjan control now has CPDLC interface!

For info SN has been serving ROB since 2002 after Sabena's demise, and ever since keeps flying there (even in 2003 during the bloody events...) four times a week with an A330-300.

IIRC ROB and FNA still don't have any ILS.

But generally speaking, it is great to see that Africa is on the good road, we have less countries in war situation than ten years ago, making some new "exotic" routes possible. Two digits growth rates aren't far away for some African countries...



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

Quoting KL577 (Reply 9):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
KL is more "in charge" of East Africa while AF is more concentrated in West Africa. The only country served by both AF & KL now in West Africa is Nigeria.

KL is more in charge of the english speaking african countries.

KL just re-opened KGL, in East Africa, though Rwanda is a French speaking country ... KGL was previously served by AF.


User currently offlinekimberlyrj From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10472 times:

hey hey

I think this is great. Finally an American airline serving Africa where there must be a market for direct services from African cities directly to the USA.

One would have thought that this must have a knock on effect on European airlines load factors. They must rely on American PAX connecting at European hubs and carrying on to Africa to top up the airlines bums on seat numbers?

I wonder if there will be a lot of cargo on DL’s Africans routes?

Kimberly


User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10388 times:
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Quoting panamair (Reply 13):
This winter, DL metal will be on the following Africa services:

JFK-CAI Daily 763ER
JFK-ACC 4x weekly 763ER
JFK-DKR 3x weekly 752
ATL-JNB Daily 772LR
ATL-LOS 6x weekly 772ER
ATL-ACC-ROB 1x weekly 763ER
ATL-ACC-ABV 2x weekly 763ER

You left out JFK - ABV 3x weekly B763ER



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4871 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10223 times:
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Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 23):
You left out JFK - ABV 3x weekly B763ER

No, the nonstop JFK-ABV is seasonal summer only. The list is for this coming winter; that's why ABV is a tag on the ATL-ACC flight with the 763ER.


25 aviateur : ROB has an ILS to runway 4. Needed it on the inaugural -- it was about 600 overcast and 2kms or so visibility.
26 deltal1011man : just a note, this ends up going 6w some time in Jan. (though that is so far away it may end up going daily)
27 Luftfahrer : Interesting report, thanks. Any pictures/videos online from the inaugural?
28 migair54 : True....... Via EBB.... Although KQ serves KGL plenty of times a day thru NBO.... So It must be a lot of demand.... I think it will be A330.... What
29 deltal1011man : Still waiting on DHS to give the Ok on this one. Delta has been working on Starting DKR-NBO 3-4w 763 for 3(?) years now.
30 migair54 : Why opening a route that KQ is already operating?? why no codeshare with them?? Do you think the Kenya aviation Authority will allow them to open?? I
31 DAL767400ER : Considering the Kenyan authorities DID allow Delta to operate ATL-DKR-NBO, you are proven wrong. It was the DHS that stopped Delta from launching the
32 RobertS975 : The abrupt cancellation of the DL flight to NBO was quite an embarrassing event for the Kenyan government. I believe that the Kenyan head of state wa
33 OA412 : Yes, as I recall, that was the reasoning behind the abrupt cancellation. Apparently DHS had received credible threats naming the DL flight as a poten
34 2707200X : I like to know if most of the passengers on the new sector are traveling for business or for family visitation or both?
35 migair54 : I didn´t know that.... That could be good for NBO, But not for KQ-KLM.... they have a lot of pax connecting via AMS to USA so they will lose some of
36 smoot4208 : Are there any updates on Luanda and Malabo? Obviously DHS has blocked NBO, but isn't World Airways serving IAH-Luanda? Would DL consider servicing JFK
37 DAL767400ER : No, Delta only codeshares on KLM's AMS-NBO flight, under flt numbers 9585/9496.
38 soups : Does DL sells tickets on ACC-ABV and ACC-ROB? Are they trying to restablish a mini hub in ACC?
39 aviateur : No, similar to the service via DKR, local traffic is not permitted.
40 Post contains images abrelosojos : = KL opened KGL instead of AF because Rwanda is not a "normal" French speaking country, and the French are not really welcome there. Google articles
41 aviateur : Oops, my apologies for spelling the Liberian president's name incorrectly. It is Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, not "Sirlief." She addressed the crowd, speaki
42 CALMSP : no pics of the arrival/departure yet???
43 SurfandSnow : How exciting! Does DL have local traffic rights so as to transport folks between Ghana and Liberia? Not sure how big that market might be, but still
44 AF022 : Doesn't AT have night flights at ROB?
45 panamair : Pan Am served ROB from JFK, mostly with a stop in DKR (some seasons nonstop), and then continuation to other West African destinations and eventually
46 Post contains images aviateur : Top: Arrivals and departures "screen" at ROB Bottom: ROB terminal
47 Atlwest1 : I thought the main terminal was destroyed in the war. Thats not the terminal I remember coming and going out of when i lived there.
48 iakobos : As Abrelosojos mentioned, Rwanda is now part of the English-speaking world. English is mandatory at school, it replaced French last year I think. Cor
49 Atlwest1 : I remember that building but I remember it being for arrivals. The old terminal the one destroyerd was actually quite nice and kinda large.
50 MaverickM11 : Was there anyone on the plane?
51 bobnwa : Since all the KL and DL flights between AMS and the US are part of the joint venture, it makes no difference whether the passengers are on either car
52 Viscount724 : Yes, 2 of AT's 3 weekly CMN-ROB flights arrive at 0330 and depart at 0430. The other arrives at 0145 and departs at 0245.
53 Post contains links and images dairbus : Thanks for the pictures Patrick. I got a kick out of the whiteboard "screen". At least the communication antennas on top of the building seem fairly
54 Post contains images KaiGywer : Wonder if it's possible to nonrev ROB-ACC // ACC-JFK ? Would make for a fun trip.. ATL-ACC-ROB-ACC / ACC-JFK
55 aviateur : I believe it is. Drop me a private message...
56 BRJ : Was at Hartsfield tonight dropping someone off and picking someone else up, checking out the arrivals board. Looks like the overnight flight is runnin
57 Post contains links and images LatinPlane : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rfGVhb914 http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...2/pkg.bob.johnson.liberia.cnn.html Very interesting videos of the oc
58 aviateur : Damn, you can see me in that CNN video for about half a second!
59 davescj : Don't get me started on TSA. I'm not their biggest fan by far. I think so, but as pointed out, possibly UA. Cool. Good to see DL re-launching some ol
60 Post contains images aviateur :
61 yellowtail : I can't wait for DL to start NBO...I know I will use it alot....save me going via LHR...
62 davescj : But it is scheduled via DKR. Is that an improvement? Dave
63 Frostbite : Fantastic on-scene photos, Aviateur. Any indication of passenger loads on the first 4 services into ROB?
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