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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13228 times:

What are top ten U.S. markets to London for 2009? Does anyone have passenger numbers?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25146 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13226 times:

You can check out CAA taffic figures at
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...tl_Air_Pax_Route_Analysis_2009.pdf

or DOT (look in table 8)
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/international-series/dec2009.htm



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

I don't have numbers handy but my guess would be something similar to this order.

1. NYC (JFK and EWR combined) (CO, AA, DL, VS, BA, and someone else I am missing)
2. LAX (BA, AA, UA, VS)
3. ORD (BA, AA, UA, VS)
4. IAD (BA, UA)
5. BOS (BA, AA, VS, soon to be DL)
6. ATL (BA, DL)
7. MIA (BA, VS, AA)
8. IAH (CO, BA)
9. DFW (AA, BA)
10. PHL (BA, US)

This is just a guesstimate off the top of my head based on total departures per day from each airport. I could be way off.


User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13171 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
4. IAD (BA, UA)

Add VS to this aswell with VS 21/22



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12740 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
I don't have numbers handy but my guess would be something similar to this order.

Aren't you missing SFO (BA, UA, VS) somewhere in there?



AT7/111/146/Avro/CRJ/CR9/EMB/ERJ/E75/F50/100/L15/DC9/D10/M8X/717/727/737/747/757/767/777/AB6/310/319/320/321/330/340/380
User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12438 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
1. NYC (JFK and EWR combined) (CO, AA, DL, VS, BA, and someone else I am missing)

Yeah KU and AI operate LHR-JFK but AI will discontinue this season after many years serving the route due to direct service from India.

SA have the rights to JFK but do not utilise them


User currently offlineflaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11790 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
2. LAX (BA, AA, UA, VS)

Dont forget NZ also flies this route



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10791 times:

According to the DOT numbers from the link above:

1. JFK-LHR 2,507,299
2. LAX-LHR 1,458,312
3. ORD-LHR 1,202,574
4. EWR-LHR 1,057,716
5. IAD-LHR 992,033
6. SFO-LHR 877,543
7. BOS-LHR 848,476
8. MIA-LHR 821,254
9. MCO-LGW 762,930
10. IAH-LHR 531,782

Same cities from the UK's CAA. Ranked nearly the same:
JFK
LAX
ORD
IAD
EWR
SFO
BOS
MIA
MCO
IAH

Texan

[Edited 2010-09-06 08:55:59]


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User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10722 times:

1) JFK
2) LAX
3) ORD
4) IAD
5) EWR
6) SFO
7) BOS
8) MIA
9) MCO
10) IAH

Atlanta doesn't even make the top ten when you add together Heathrow AND Gatwick...


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10326 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 7):
Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 8):

Wow, MCO ahead of IAH, a little suprised there.



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User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10146 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 9):


Not when you consider how many full 450+ seat 744s VS fly to MCO in the summer!


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6119 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 9):
Wow, MCO ahead of IAH, a little suprised there.

But the yields at IAH are sooooooooooo much nicer!



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User currently offlineLazialeMKD From French Polynesia, joined Oct 2009, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
6. ATL (BA, DL

BA doesn't fly to ATL


User currently offlineiainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 12):
BA doesn't fly to ATL

BA227 LHR-ATL, 772 service, daily I believe.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):

People on seats does not always pay, Yields are king, as you point out.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 12):
BA doesn't fly to ATL

BA flies LHR-ATL daily with a 777-200.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9019 times:

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 8):
Atlanta doesn't even make the top ten when you add together Heathrow AND Gatwick...





Why is that surprising when we are talking about O&D markets?


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8840 times:

Interesting how on many of the top US-western European or US-Asian city pairs, the US carriers are much less popular, whereas on many US-South American the reverse is true.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Quoting aircellist (Reply 17):
Interesting how on many of the top US-western European or US-Asian city pairs, the US carriers are much less popular, whereas on many US-South American the reverse is true.

What what numbers are you referring ?


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

Quoting 757ops (Reply 5):
Yeah KU and AI operate LHR-JFK but AI will discontinue this season after many years serving the route due to direct service from India.

LHR - JFK has been terminated by AI in 2008 November. It shifted to EWR and in April 2009, LHR - NYC was no longer served by AI. KU is operating LHR - JFK as of now.



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2895 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

None of those stats appear to be O+D. They are the numbers of onboard passengers for nonstop flights.

In the DoT stats, the only Amsterdam city pair is DTW-AMS. That's clearly representative of the multiple nonstops NW/KL ran in the city pair and not local traffic. No way is Detroit-Amsterdam local traffic 664,000 while New York-Amsterdam local traffic is somwhere less than 500,000 because it isn't even big enough to crack the top 50.

Or look at the total Charlotte is credited with...2,341,440, compared with just 159,431 for Raleigh. Raleigh supports, with subsidy but without any hub feed, transatlantic nonstops. And the RDU service area isn't that much smaller than CLT. To suggest that for every 100 Charlotte local O+D international passengers, there are fewer than 7 local O?+D generated by Raleigh/Durham is absolutely implausible.

These numbers don't tell us anything about O+D. They are onboard passengers for nonstop flights.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 8):

6) SFO
7) BOS

SFO-LHR is bigger than BOS-LHR? That's a surprise to me. But then...

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 20):
These numbers don't tell us anything about O+D. They are onboard passengers for nonstop flights.

...if you're right then that would make sense, given that BOS pax have so many more places to connect.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Don't be forgetting lil old Orlando-Sanford (SFB)!

If you guys are combining the figures together for NYC for JFK and EWR, Im sure the same should apply to MCO and SFB!

Having a guess with all the charter traffic to Orlando, you are probably looking at another 250,000 pax from LGW to SFB and that would probably push the combined Orlando traffic up to close to a Million per annum!


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7569 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

I dont think these numbers are O&D, they appear to be total seat numbers.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32734 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

O&D numbers aren't public, but I bet they probably look something like this:

1) NYC-area
2) LAX-area
3) CHI-area
4) WAS-area
5) BOS-area
6) MIA-area
7) SFO-area
8) ORL-area
9) HOU-area

After that, its hard to make a guess - maybe Seattle or Atlanta.



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25 LAXdude1023 : I would think PHL would be after that. Then SEA, ATL, and DFW in that order.
26 crownvic : My guess for PHL being so far down the list is aside from NYC & IAD, many of these top 10 cities do not have the fairly large direct feed into mai
27 MAH4546 : Those are not O&D figures, they are total passengers traveled. Though, on top of that, LA, DC, Miami, Boston etc. are all just as well connected
28 Post contains images crownvic : MAH4546...PHL is the largest NE city outside of NYC, so that is why I am questioning the whole list. If it is not O & D, then it just strengthens
29 MAH4546 : But it's the fourth largest market to Europe after NYC, Boston and D.C. in the Northeast, which should not be that surprising. Philadelphia might be
30 Post contains links aircellist : This one: http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/international-series/dec2009.htm (the DOT one, Table 8: Top 50 U.S- International Airport Pairs, Scheduled
31 bobnwa : Thanks, now I see what numbers you mean. You are correct.
32 AADC10 : Check the fares. PHL is probably low on the list because US dominates and keeps the fares relatively high. IAH is down on the list because CO does th
33 FutureUScapt : US does not dominate the PHL-LHR route. BA has flown the route for decades and US only entered the LHR market in 2008, and still has an inferior sche
34 mattdell : Along with the seasonal VS 55/56
35 point2point : Could a fair estimate of O&D traffic at a particular airport be arrived at by simply taking the airport's O&D numbers and doing math from the
36 Post contains links VV701 : Here is a link to the archieved thread from the last time this subject was discussed: Largest U.S. Markets To Europe (by B752OS Mar 27 2009 in Civil A
37 dldtw1962 : AMS-DTW or DTW-AMS can be that high if not higher in pass. numbers. DL has 4 flights daily and they have been going out some what full. DL is using AM
38 bobnwa : I would bet you can't back that up with any numbers. DL is continuing what NW started, both very successfully.
39 B752OS : When did AA, VS and BA each start service on BOS-LHR?
40 Viscount724 : BA (then BOAC of course) started service to BOS in mid-1951, as a stop a couple of fimes a week en route to New York.
41 FlyIGuy : They dropped it last year...it never ran this year at all...
42 Post contains images mattdell : That's a shame... that was my favorite flight! Leave at 11pm, get into LHR at 11am. It sure beat taking VS22 and getting in at 7am and fighting jet l
43 Post contains images RDUDDJI : I think most of the aforementioned numbers are Mickey Mouse anyway. Most of us can guess the top markets to LON. It would be nice if official #'s wer
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