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Alaska And Cathay Pacific Plan Codeshare  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25765 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Alaska Airlines and Cathay Pacific have jointly filed with the DOT to commence code-sharing between Hong Kong and 25 US codeshare points from Cathay’s US and Canadian gateways on Alaska and Horizon Air.

Initial requested city pairs.

SFO-SEA
SFO-PDX
LAX-SEA
LAX-PDX
YVR-SEA
YVR-PDX

OST-2010-TBA

Cathay and Alaska have been frequent flyer program partners since 2003.


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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

With the recent announcement that AA is expanding their cooperation with Alaska into Mexico and now this, I wonder if OneWorld is making a push to bring Alaska closer to its partners and eventually into OneWorld and away from SkyTeam members.

Alaska already partners with OneWorld members: AA, BA, LAN, Cathay Pacific and Qantas. But they also partner with SkyTeam members: DL, AF, KLM and Korean Air.

I personally would love to see Alaska join OneWorld since it would give AA a better presence on the West Coast and balance SkyTeam and Star Alliance...maybe even where AA could add some Asia flights from SEA or PDX with exclusive Alaska feed.

It seems like the one thing A-Netters agree on is that a merger would between the two would be a disaster because their cost structure and product are so different...

http://www.alaskaair.com/as/mileageplan/MileagePartners_Airline.asp

Edited to add that Alaska may not be interested in an alliance because it may be more beneficial for them to keep their current strategy...I won't mention the term often used on this forum because I think it underminds how successful this strategy appears to be for them...

[Edited 2010-09-07 11:51:55]

User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
I personally would love to see Alaska join OneWorld

Probably won't ever happen because AS's relationship with DL is too important above all other codeshare partners.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
With the recent announcement that AA is expanding their cooperation with Alaska into Mexico and now this, I wonder if OneWorld is making a push to bring Alaska closer to its partners and eventually into OneWorld and away from SkyTeam members.

For CX, AA, and OneWorld, bringing Alaska closer is a good idea. But I don't think that Alaska will ever become that closely aligned with any single partner or alliance, let alone join one. What they have been doing has been working too well for too long.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7690 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 2):

Probably won't ever happen because AS's relationship with DL is too important above all other codeshare partners.

I dont think AS will join OneWorld, but I dont think AS's codeshare with DL is any more/less important than it is with AA.



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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 2):
Probably won't ever happen because AS's relationship with DL is too important above all other codeshare partners.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
For CX, AA, and OneWorld, bringing Alaska closer is a good idea. But I don't think that Alaska will ever become that closely aligned with any single partner or alliance, let alone join one. What they have been doing has been working too well for too long.

That is what I kinda thought...does anyone think that AA could get enough feed from Alaska to start some Asia flights from SEA?


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
I dont think AS will join OneWorld, but I dont think AS's codeshare with DL is any more/less important than it is with AA.

I disagree. We have much more of a connection with DL than we do AA because we used to be tied much closer to NW than anyone else. DL provides a huge amount of international feed to us.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2841 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Cathay and Alaska have been frequent flyer program partners since 2003.

I had thought I'd seen that before when I was booking reward travel.

Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
That is what I kinda thought...does anyone think that AA could get enough feed from Alaska to start some Asia flights from SEA?

Seems to me like the asia market is well served already out of Seattle. DL is flying Osaka and Beijing, EVA, Hainan, Korean, all serve that market right now as well. I'm probably forgetting someone too. With the code share you could fly to YVR on QX and catch Cathay's two flights a day to Hong Kong.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 2):
Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
I personally would love to see Alaska join OneWorld

Probably won't ever happen because AS's relationship with DL is too important above all other codeshare partners.

Due to AS's dominant niche in the PNW, there is no need for them to join any alliance as long as multiple partners are willing to dance with them via codeshare.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3844 times:
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I would have hoped that if the codeshare between AS and CX expands, CX would give SEA a try for the SEA-HKG route...perhaps using a 777-200ER or something.

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
Alaska already partners with OneWorld members: AA, BA, LAN, Cathay Pacific and Qantas.

I think we will also be seeing a JAL codeshare deal with AS announced in the next few months on routes from YVR, SFO and LAX.

[Edited 2010-09-07 16:45:03]


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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

What is the use of these code-shares? When I book flights on say CX to India, irrespective of what the flight numbers are, I still fly AS metal to SFO and CX from SFO to India. Only now, the flight numbers will be AS throughout, or at least till HKG.

What does the airlines gain by these code-shares as opposed to interline agreements? Does it mean that AS now gets to sell SEA-HkG flights on its own?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 11):
What does the airlines gain by these code-shares as opposed to interline agreements? Does it mean that AS now gets to sell SEA-HkG flights on its own?

It's so CX can put their code on AS connecting flights beyond their west coast gateways. A CX-CX codeshare connection has higher display priority in reservations systems than a CX-AS connection which may not even appear on the first screen and is thus much less likely to be booked.

Same reason why QF (which doesn't serve YVR themselves) codeshares with AS on the LAX-YVR sector.


User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
A CX-CX codeshare connection has higher display priority in reservations systems than a CX-AS connection which may not even appear on the first screen and is thus much less likely to be booked.

Thanks, didn't know this! I hope it shows up in internet booking engines too, like Expedia etc.


User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
I would have hoped that if the codeshare between AS and CX expands, CX would give SEA a try for the SEA-HKG route...perhaps using a 777-200ER or something.

This codeshare deal will make CX SEA-HKG less likely IMO, which may imply that their next new N American destination will be in the midwest/east coast. just my 2 cents...


User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 2):
Probably won't ever happen because AS's relationship with DL is too important above all other codeshare partners.
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 6):
I disagree. We have much more of a connection with DL than we do AA because we used to be tied much closer to NW than anyone else. DL provides a huge amount of international feed to us.

Though AS and NW were closer than AS and AA, AA generated more traffic than did the alliance with NW. That has changed since the DL/NW merger.

AS benefits from the strenghts of both, namely DL's size at SEA with their Asian and European flights, and in Los Angeles from AA's bigger domestic network, as well as the handful of domestic destinations.

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 14):
This codeshare deal will make CX SEA-HKG less likely IMO, which may imply that their next new N American destination will be in the midwest/east coast. just my 2 cents...

Chicago or Dallas...


User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

I wonder ... at which west coast city does CX provide the most interline traffic to AS: LAX, SFO or YVR?


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