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Irish 21/10: Cleared And Rolling ...  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 24941 times:

Good morning folks and welcome to 21/10,

20/10 has been an interesting thread and of course, nothing stirs excitement like rumours of a new EI order; no doubt we'll read and debate much more about this in the weeks to come.

Unfortunately, there's some less good news elsewhere, with FR further downgrading SNN. It looks like the Govt (via Mary Hanafin) is finally going to look at the possibility of doing away with the tax (or reducing it to some extent), but we can expect some stiff opposition to change. At the end of the day, with all the different fees imposed by airlines (and other countries), one can't help thinking that too much is being made of it. After all, we've had an airport tax for most of the last 30 years. Now, if FR (and other carriers) could be persuaded to boost capacity in response to this (possibly even reduce some of its own "taxes"), then perhaps a deal could be done

We're inching ever closer to the opening of T2. Unfortunately, it looks like there won't be any new carriers coming in, but it is opening in Winter, so hopefully 2011 will see some new routes and airlines.

Let's hope we see some positive developments during the course of this thread ...

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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24921 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
nothing stirs excitement like rumours of a new EI order; no doubt we'll read and debate much more about this in the weeks to come.

Yes it would be great to see the E Jets for EI and far more realistic for numerous routes.

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Aer Arann attracts 14 offers

FOURTEEN GROUPS have expressed an interest in investing in Aer Arann and the examiner hopes to have secured a deal for the airline by October 10th, the High Court has been informed.

In a report submitted to the court, Michael McAteer of Grant Thornton, who was confirmed as examiner of the airline yesterday by Ms Justice Finlay Geoghegan, states that indicative offers must be lodged on September 20th while final offers will have to be presented on October 6th.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2010/0909/1224278514372.html

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O’Leary claims Shannon ‘dying on its feet’ as Ryanair cuts flights by 21%

TROUBLED Shannon Airport was delivered another hammer blow yesterday with Ryanair dropping more flights, reducing its destinations by 21% to six from a high of 35 two years ago.

Michael O’Leary said Shannon was now dying on its feet having been the fastest growing airport in Europe between 2004 and 2008. He blamed Government charges and the "dead hand" management by the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) of the airport. Mr O’Leary told a press conference in Limerick that from November 1, the Shannon-Paris route will be closed and there will be major reductions in the Shannon-Gatwick and Shannon-Stansted services. This, he said, will reduce Ryanair passenger numbers through Shannon from 480,000 in 2010 to a projected 380,000 next year with Ryanair routes served from Shannon falling from 35 to six over the past four years.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...air-cuts-flights-by-21-130266.html



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24918 times:

Some comments from the previous thread

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 236):

Cost push rather than demand pull factors seem to be more important for them.

I think that's an unfair comment on FR - FR's whole business is on stimulating traffic bases from zero.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 236):
the introduction of the EUR 10 departure tax, which is also cited in the reasoning for cuts by FR.

As it was in the UK, where they have opened hubs this year.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 236):
Traders are beginning to speculate

The Trading speculation on oil prices in 2008 were a major contributory factor in the global economic crisis - thats how those whores make money - speculation, rumour mongering, and mis-representation. They feed off any weaknesses like vultures.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 243):
even the local press and politicians have slated them for today's announcement.

Rent a quote politicians no doubt.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 243):
hasnt been realised or appreciated by some ; Aer Lingus

Interesting comment.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 243):
CDG, AMS

FR flew BVA up to twice daily the last winter AF were present in Shannon. When (not if) the economy picks up, I wonder if AF could be tempted back with a regional 145, or chippyhopper to AMS?



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User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 24763 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
at the possibility of doing away with the tax (or reducing it to some extent), but we can expect some stiff opposition to change.


To be honest kaitak i would be very surprised if this is done away with,I see Germany have even brought it in as well which is effective immediately for bookings after 01 Jan 2011,8,25,45 Euro "charge" depending on the distance travelled.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
The Trading speculation on oil prices in 2008 were a major contributory factor in the global economic crisis - that's how those whores make money - speculation, rumour mongering, and mis-representation. They feed off any weaknesses like vultures.


I must agree with you there bestwestern,even the rumour mongering at the moment does not help at all.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24706 times:

Quoting oa260 (Reply 1):
Aer Arann attracts 14 offers

FOURTEEN GROUPS have expressed an interest in investing in Aer Arann and the examiner hopes to have secured a deal for the airline by October 10th, the High Court has been informed.

In a report submitted to the court, Michael McAteer of Grant Thornton, who was confirmed as examiner of the airline yesterday by Ms Justice Finlay Geoghegan, states that indicative offers must be lodged on September 20th while final offers will have to be presented on October 6th.

That's really uplifting to hear. I was really convinced they were gona go down the crapper the way things are. Hope everything works out well.



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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 629 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24662 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
I think that's an unfair comment on FR - FR's whole business is on stimulating traffic bases from zero.

I don't see how it is unfair though really bestwestern? In the case of SNN for example, there was reportedly strong demand specifically on the BVA route - yet Ryanair pulled out.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
As it was in the UK, where they have opened hubs this year.

Agreed - which is why I said it was part of the FR ''spin''.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
The Trading speculation on oil prices in 2008 were a major contributory factor in the global economic crisis - thats how those whores make money - speculation, rumour mongering, and mis-representation. They feed off any weaknesses like vultures.

You are quite right bestwestern. However, in this case, speculation aside, concern over Ireland's sovereign debt is very much warranted. The country continues to borrow staggering amounts from the markets - another EUR 400 million in short term T Bills this morning. Where does it stop?

The fiscal situation is extremely poor - tax revenues continue to decline and the government is commited to further severe capital injection into the main banks - requriing further borrowing from the markets. We have an Exchequer deficit of over EUR 12.1 billion to the end of August.

To put that in context - the government has spent EUR 49.38 million more than it has taken in on average every day so far this year - to the end of August.

There is not only limited scope, there is virtually no scope for fiscal stimuli to be introduced now or in the near term. Ireland's situation was unique in terms of the unprecedented growth rates seen through the 2000s. It's unqiue again but for all of the wrong reasons - because the recovery here will be far more depressed than in other European nations.

Equally, the global economy is softening again - there is no doubt about it. International trade has slowed to an extent and the latest macroeconomic indicators point to a further weakening during Q4, 2010. Whether this is merely a blip or a trend remains to be seen.

I'm certainly not one for downing the economy and while many aspects of it are performing steadily - it is principally those areas that are related to exports or companies who are supplying/dealing with/servicing businesses involved in exports. Domestic demand remains exceptionally sluggish.

The passenger numbers for Dublin Airport should be released in not too long. It will be interesting to see what the trend is, being mindful of the improved situation in July.

Regards,

EIBusiness



Aer Lingus - Per Sempre
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24596 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
Rent a quote politicians no doubt.

Of course Sir! Arent all our politicos rent a quoters!  

But usually, we only see EI slated for service reductions - FR have been free to decimate the airport at a whim - up to now! Im glad to see some even handedness return to their rented quotes!  
Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):

Interesting comment.

Why so?  
Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
FR flew BVA up to twice daily the last winter AF were present in Shannon. When (not if) the economy picks up, I wonder if AF could be tempted back with a regional 145, or chippyhopper to AMS?

Certainly possible - but FR have a funny habit of returning to routes at SNN when someone else decides to pick them up, and fingers were badly burned before sadly.



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6276 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24581 times:

Aer Lingus drops Ryanair's low-cost approach -CEO

(Reuters) - Irish airline Aer Lingus expects demand to stay depressed into next year, and no longer sees mimicking the fare-cutting of former suitor Ryanair as the best way to stimulate business, its chief executive said.

Christoph Mueller embarked on a cost-cutting drive straight after getting the top job a year ago, and last month the chief executive vowed to continue that into next year to help preserve the airline's independence.

However, he said on Thursday he would not try to boost capacity, or offer uneconomically low fares just to lure passengers to the former state airline at a time when the Irish economy remains one of Europe's trouble spots.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTR...0909?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Nothing we don't already know but a few key points,

- No growth into next year, capacity will be the same.
- Irish economy remains one of Europe's trouble spots.
- Will revise plans for growth if the market improves by next summer.
- "We abandoned ... the low-cost model entirely" - Have they?

Seems fair enough to me, I'd rather Aer Lingus continue the safer approach to expansion than opening routes left, right and centre at the first sign of any upturn. Doubt we'll see any new US routes if this is the case, at least not for another year or so apart from the United joint venture.


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 629 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24571 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
Aer Lingus drops Ryanair's low-cost approach -CEO

Thank you for that link Shamrock350,

It's quite clear that Aer Lingus are now very much in touch with the general macro environment and are absolutely pursuing the correct policies.

The bottom line however is that it's very encouraging that they can breakeven and indeed turn a quarterly profit in times of such depressed demand.

Equally, I would very much agree with Mr. Mueller's outlook for the Irish economy into the medium term - demand will most certainly remain depressed.

EIBusiness



Aer Lingus - Per Sempre
User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24516 times:

Just splashed out some Gold Circle points on an upgrade for DUB - ORD on 20th September. My first time in Premier so really looking forward to it!

I'm travelling onwards to YYC with United so that should be interesting as well. Do you earn GC points when flying on United?

2 ex SAMA Airlines 737's have arrived in Dublin this evening, HZ-CJB and HZ-DMO arrived from Ankara and went straight into Hangar 5.

DaveC

[Edited 2010-09-09 10:34:25]


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1933 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24500 times:
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Quoting oa260 (Reply 1):
Yes it would be great to see the E Jets for EI and far more realistic for numerous routes.

It would be fantastic news especially for SNN for EI to have another smaller aircraft in its fleet.

Quoting Nibog (Reply 3):
FR flew BVA up to twice daily the last winter AF were present in Shannon. When (not if) the economy picks up, I wonder if AF could be tempted back with a regional 145, or chippyhopper to AMS?

Perhaps you're right but I personally believe that the biggest blow to AF/WX on the SNN-CDG route was the re-opening of SNN-LHR as the majority of those who flew that route were business travellers who reverted back to flying via LHR. Perhaps though as was suggested in the previous thread that E jets could be used by EI to operate SNN-CDG or SNN-AMS. They already have a fairly significant presence at these airports and Paris has proven until very recently to be a viable route from SNN so perhaps EI would consider taking it over if they had a more suitable aircraft to do so.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
Aer Lingus drops Ryanair's low-cost approach -CEO

Finally a decisive answer for all of us all who've been wondering for years now whether EI is a low cost or full service airline.



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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 629 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24502 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 9):
Just splashed out some Gold Circle points on an upgrade for DUB - ORD on 20th September. My first time in Premier so really looking forward to it!

I'm travel onwards to YYC with United so that should be interesting as well. Do you earn GC points when flying on United?

Great to hear Dave!

Its' the perfect route for burning your points on.

It could well be a fairly full cabin being a Monday but I'm sure that the crew will be superb as ever!

In relation to earning on United - I have earned points on the past on some routes but not others - if that is any help! AFAIK the earning may be restricted to a set number of routes in the USA and may not be extended for routes to Canada as of yet - but I'm really not certain. Your best bet is to ring Gold Circle in relation to ORD-YYC and see if you will earn points - I don't see why you shouldn't considering UA are a main codeshare partner.

EIBusiness



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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24468 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
Aer Lingus drops Ryanair's low-cost approach -CEO


Good news as long as they offer ''fair'' prices and not ripp people off.

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Airport fails to attract service on back of US Customs and Border Protection

THE Shannon Airport Authority (SAA) has failed to attract a scheduled service based on its €21 million US-Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in the 12 months since the service was introduced.

The SAA also declined yesterday to provide the numbers of additional private or corporate jet traffic that has been brought about by the CBP facilities. The service was opened in August 2009. Similar CBP facilities are to open at Dublin Airport’s T2 in November.

http://www.examiner.ie/text/business/kfmhaucwgbey/

[Edited 2010-09-09 10:55:46]


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User currently offlineneutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24458 times:

RTE 1 now 7pm Capital D program on T2 at Dublin airport

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 24422 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 9):
2 ex SAMA Airlines 737's have arrived in Dublin this evening, HZ-CJB and HZ-DMO arrived from Ankara and went straight into Hangar 5.

A third one went to Bournemouth.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 8):
Equally, I would very much agree with Mr. Mueller's outlook for the Irish economy into the medium term - demand will most certainly remain depressed.

One thing confuses me; he says that Irish wage rates "are no longer competitive", yet I would have thought that since our slight economic downturn, Irish wage costs have declined to some extent.

I certainly agree with him as far as Ireland being a weak spot in Europe. I guess this must accelerate the need to obtain a smaller type than the 320. Obviously EI isn't giving anything away, but I'd love to know what kind of timeframe it is thinking about. Also, with FR looking to order 300 new aircraft (or so they say), who is to say that they won't take the same approach and order a smaller type; how would EI and others react to this?


User currently offlineoneworld77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 24366 times:

Quoting oa260 (Reply 12):
Airport fails to attract service on back of US Customs and Border Protection

THE Shannon Airport Authority (SAA) has failed to attract a scheduled service based on its €21 million US-Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in the 12 months since the service was introduced.

The SAA also declined yesterday to provide the numbers of additional private or corporate jet traffic that has been brought about by the CBP facilities. The service was opened in August 2009. Similar CBP facilities are to open at Dublin Airport’s T2 in November.

De Paper has forgotten about BA LCY-SNN-JFK - chosen because of CBP and started since August 2009.



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User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 24341 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 8):
t's quite clear that Aer Lingus are now very much in touch with the general macro environment and are absolutely pursuing the correct policies.

The bottom line however is that it's very encouraging that they can breakeven and indeed turn a quarterly profit in times of such depressed demand.

Equally, I would very much agree with Mr. Mueller's outlook for the Irish economy into the medium term - demand will most certainly remain depressed.

At the risk of sounding biased (something I am not), could this not be applied to Ryanair and Mythical O'Leary also? Tapped into demand of the people for cheap, no frills travel??



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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 629 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24304 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):
One thing confuses me; he says that Irish wage rates "are no longer competitive", yet I would have thought that since our slight economic downturn, Irish wage costs have declined to some extent.

Interesting point Kaitak,

Well they certainly have come down across Aer Lingus where all of the employees have sacrificed much. However, I can say with absolute certainty that this is NOT the case across the country.

For example, there has been significant downward pressure on prices across practically every industry in the past 18 months. This is especially evident in the technology and high end manufacturing sectors. Yet, employees, who in terms of the total wage paid to them and the overheads associated with them still can cost in the region of €35-€40 per hour or more to employ.

Wages are always going to be ''sticky downwards'' - that's a given. However, the general price of goods/services in Ireland remains totally unacceptable. As a country, we are more uncompetitive and inefficient now than we were two years ago.

Couple that, with the fiscal situation - Ireland is facing some really, really serious issues. Our national debt will quite likely exceed EUR 100 billion within the next six months.

EIBusiness



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User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 24134 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
The Trading speculation on oil prices in 2008 were a major contributory factor in the global economic crisis - thats how those whores make money - speculation, rumour mongering, and mis-representation. They feed off any weaknesses like vultures.

It is likely you have suffered during the Great Recession and perhaps you are angry about things you don't fully understand and are looking for someone to blame. Here, you appear to aim broadly and widely at 'trading speculation'. There are only three types of financial transactions:

-Speculation
-Hedging
-Arbitrage

If we assume (as some erudite people claim) that markets are efficient, then arbitrage is not possible so you are left with the first two. Hedging is basically a strategy to break even so I'd like to hear you thoughts on how free markets should run without speculation as I am at a loss to figure that out on my own. I am also unsure of how speculation is generally associated with 'rumour mongering' and 'mis-representation'? If you have any specific examples of such group activities, I enjoy hearing about them.

Now, it is certain some traders behaved recklessly, in the same manner than some governments and individual consumers did as well and there is plenty of blame to go around the room. In my humble opinion, to make such broad accusations against speculators is just trope.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 24118 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
We're inching ever closer to the opening of T2. Unfortunately, it looks like there won't be any new carriers coming in, but it is opening in Winter, so hopefully 2011 will see some new routes and airlines.

That is quite exciting! Is it true that the EI long-haul operation is moving over before the short haul one?

Quoting oa260 (Reply 1):
TROUBLED Shannon Airport was delivered another hammer blow yesterday with Ryanair dropping more flights, reducing its destinations by 21% to six from a high of 35 two years ago.

I had no idea that FR flew to 35 destinations out of Shannon previously. That's amazing! I will agree with what Ryanair is saying - the €10 tourist tax along with a 33% increase in charges is pretty much unjustified in this economic climate. Imagine the fees per passenger the airline would have collected (normal landing fees) had all of this not happened and FR had stayed in Shannon. I shake my head at some of the short-sightedness I see here.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
- "We abandoned ... the low-cost model entirely" - Have they?

Yes, you should see their Christmas pricing - it's up on last year. All the lowest fares to LGW are at €29.99 and on 3 January, the flight everyone would want to take is at a higher price - and the seat maps show no people have selected yet. It's cheeky pricing, but very smart. Also, it's Christmas, so it's likely that the flights will be full.

I also haven't seen any €99 base fares to the USA all year (and suspect I won't, either!), so it seems like that are no longer pursuing the low cost model. Good on them, I say!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):
One thing confuses me; he says that Irish wage rates "are no longer competitive", yet I would have thought that since our slight economic downturn, Irish wage costs have declined to some extent.

Not really... if my position hadn't have been made redundant, I would still be earning the same, with annual pay increases as I was before. Wages have declined for new positions created in order to reflect the downturn (and the fact that its an eployers market), however for the most part wages have not moved at all for all those still employed. So I would agree that they are no longer competitive based on what I have seen myself.



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User currently offlineauntie From Ireland, joined Jan 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24104 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 19):
Is it true that the EI long-haul operation is moving over before the short haul one?

Apparently someone from the DAA was on the radio last week and said that they were going to start with the London flights and build it up from there.
(This is second-hand information though as I didn't actually hear the interview myself)

.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 19):
I also haven't seen any €99 base fares to the USA all year (and suspect I won't, either!), so it seems like that are no longer pursuing the low cost model.

Yeah, there were €42 return fares to the UK all over the place last year but not this year. I did manage to grab one to EDI this year in March but have not seen a single one since.


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24100 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
- "We abandoned ... the low-cost model entirely" - Have they?

Got a one way flight on a Friday evening on the October bank holiday weekend to BHX for €25. Of that €20 was taxes & charges and the other €5 the cc fee.

Seems they are still offer low fares. They we cheaper than FR for the same flight. Getting FR back on the Sunday as EI's afternoon flight is full.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24081 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 21):
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
- "We abandoned ... the low-cost model entirely" - Have they?

Got a one way flight on a Friday evening on the October bank holiday weekend to BHX for €25. Of that €20 was taxes & charges and the other €5 the cc fee.

Seems they are still offer low fares.

Abandoned the low-cost model yet still offering low fares during a peak period. Sounds like a recipe for...  

[Edited 2010-09-10 02:00:33]


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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24063 times:

I'm on airliners.net ten years this week - how time really flies, and how the aviation world in Europe has changed so dramatically, and at the same time goes around in circles.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 22):
Abandoned the low-cost model yet still offering low fares. Sounds like a recipe for...

Excellent point Pe@rson.

Quoting Reply 18):
In my humble opinion, to make such broad accusations against speculators is just trope.

I've never seen the words 'erudite' and 'humble opinion' used together before. anyway... The CFTC defines a speculator as a person who “does not produce or use the commodity, but risks his or her own capital trading futures in that commodity in hopes of making a profit on price changes.”


In June 2006, oil traded in futures markets at some $60 a barrel and the Senate investigation estimated that some $25 of that was due to pure financial speculation. One analyst estimated in August 2005 that US oil inventory levels suggested WTI crude prices should be around $25 a barrel, and not $60.

in 2008 at least $50 to $60 or more of a $115 a barrel price is due to pure hedge fund and financial institution speculation. However, given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices traded on Nymex and ICE exchanges in New York and London it is more likely that as much as 60% of the today oil price is pure speculation.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

Quoting Reply 18):
I am also unsure of how speculation is generally associated with 'rumour mongering' and 'mis-representation'?

Fadel Gheit, an oil analyst at Oppenheimer, said record-breaking prices are a result of pure speculation by hedge funds and commodities traders, not a result of negative market fundamentals, adding that there is no real supply shortage.

"But rumors and speculation have taken over the market," said Gheit. "For example, even if Yukos is shut down, which Russia would not allow, they could maintain their current export volume, because they are limited only by capacity, not by production. And Russia has plenty more oil waiting to be exported."


http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/1928240

Quoting Reply 18):
I am also unsure of how speculation is generally associated with 'rumour mongering' and 'mis-representation'?

One in five hedge fund managers misrepresents their fund or its performance to investors during formal due diligence investigations, research from New York University's Stern School of Business suggests. (Financial Times)

So back to the start.

Quoting Reply 18):
In my humble opinion, to make such broad accusations against speculators is just trope.


Speculators made a fortune on oil speculation - which caused the recession.

Jeff Rubin, Chief Economist at CIBC World Markets, in a recent report, is now saying that the current recession is caused by high oil prices.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4727



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23966 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
FR flew BVA up to twice daily the last winter AF were present in Shannon. When (not if) the economy picks up, I wonder if AF could be tempted back with a regional 145, or chippyhopper to AMS?

My guess would be no. The AF flights were a great coup for SNN but they did not work out. The connections went back to LHR at the first opportunity and the O&D traffic went to BVA with FR. Leaving AF with very little. The economics of a E145 probably did the route no favours either.
This is classic of the way FR work, as seen on ORK-DUB and ORK-LGW. They pile capacity and cheap seats on the route until the other carrier throws in the towel, where FR then scale back capacity and jack up fares. From FR's view this is good business and protects FR's market share. FR can play these games because its costs are lower than everyone else and it's network so large that profits from elsewhere disguise short-term, strategic, losses from a small number of routes.
SNN is a bit of a hot potato on this board, but what I will say is that a lot of carriers have come and gone on a lot of routes. If neither FR nor AF can make SNN work you really have to wonder what the market from SNN can support.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):
Aer Lingus drops Ryanair's low-cost approach -CEO

I guess by "low cost" he means the days of super low fares, maximizing aircraft utilization, etc have gone. Probably looking at each route individually and optimizing that, rather than flying odd places at odd times and hoping the whole mess makes money overall.
The slight concern I have is that EI have already identified that something like 20% of their market is time sensitive. The remainder being price sensitive. The UK, AMS, CDG, FRA and a few others being the main ones. I can see how the E190 fits in, at almost half the seat capacity of the A320, but the A319 falls between two stools for me, I don't really see what it adds to the EI operation. Going from 1x A320 to 2xA319 would add at least 100 extra seats a day into that market, does EI have a lot of markets which could handle that?

As much as I hoped it would not be the case it seems at least 3 of the A321s will depart for pastures less green in the near future. In a lot of ways this mirrors the aviation market across Europe. BA has reduced a lot of routes from 767s to A319/A320/A321s and BD has removed the short haul A321s from it's fleet too, DUB and BHD are almost exclusively A319 these days. IIRC the A321s were delivered seating up to 174 in a variable C/Y mix. Today the A320 seats 174.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
25 EireRock : Quite right Brian, the old BD 321's were really comfortable from a pax point of view. They also had up to 8 or 9 rotations a day into DUB with 321's
26 shamrock321 : BD had 8-9 daily flights with a mix in A319/320/321 only up until earlier this year! What a difference a year makes.[Edited 2010-09-10 05:55:37]
27 Nibog : Great to see T2 on television last night,the building looks fantastic both from the outside as well as the inside,I wonder how the "trials" went,any
28 Post contains links sawtooth : RE examinership. I don't buy all the positive spin coming from the examiner on REs business plan, they are essentially saying the old business plan is
29 BrianDromey : Things don't look too bad at RE, it looks like its own brand will remain stagnant. I would say the RE brand will eventually expire as the PSO routes
30 Post contains links kaitak : Two incidents today: An AA 763, en route from Milan to New York, diverted to SNN due to smoke: http://www.avherald.com/h?article=430bdc3d&opt=1 A
31 COEI2007 : For next summer, it looks like SNN-BOS will operate 3 weekly as EI135, so theres no DUB-SNN flights next summer. It also means there will be one EI tr
32 AmricanShamrok : Interesting although I'd take this with a pinch of salt because EI always seem to experiment with their scheduled before they release them. By the wa
33 EIBusiness : Those schedules for SNN sound very likely COEI - meaning one aircraft will be based there, sufficiently meeting demand. I can't see any significant a
34 shamrock321 : 3 weekly MCO doesnt require its own A330! 3/4 mweekly LAX/SFO would fit in their nicely but leaves no give for tech problems.
35 EIBusiness : Exactly my point Shamrock321.. Therefore - I couldn't really see it happening if another A332 were to go to the UA/EI Joint Venture next summer. EIBu
36 oa260 : EI 154 cancelled this morning due to A/C going tech. Some pax transferred onto the earlier EI 152 which already had 132 booked onto it.
37 shamrock321 : Early inbound from LGW also cancelled.
38 Post contains links and images kaitak : You just HAVE to see this ... won't tell you what airline it is based on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0l...YHHFc&feature=youtube_gdata_playe
39 oa260 : when we landed in LHR an announcement was made for all through checked transit passengers to wait until the non connecting passengers had got off and
40 Post contains links EIBusiness : http://www.aerlingus.com/aboutus/car...svacancies/cabincrew-washingtondc/ Interesting... Two things spring to mind with regard to the above. Firstly,
41 BrianDromey : This happened on my trip to BOS at the start of August as well. We were advised of it at check-in, as well as on board. Apparently it's a pretty new
42 Eagleboy : Sounds like a great idea to help transfer pax, by keeping them on the bus you keep them 'sterile' and get them to the connections desk quickly. Great
43 Post contains links IRISH251 : Two more ex-Sama Boeing 737-300s arrived at DUB this afternoon for maintenance with Dublin Aerospace. The first one arrived during a rain shower and t
44 bx737 : That info is very interesting bestwestern and I would agree with you that the oil price spike certainly helped with the recession. It led to panic an
45 dstc47 : That many US airports have no customs clearance facilities is true, but does not fully explain the US unwillingness to allow through check in for tra
46 BrianDromey : As I understand it the way customs procedures differ in the US and Europe. In the EU you clear customs at your final destination. In the US you clear
47 Post contains images oa260 : Yes very handy for LX via ZRH when coming from ATH ,green tags but you can go mad at ZRH duty free and put the stuff in a Athens Airport bag Always n
48 Post contains images shamrock604 : Ah, good old Zurich. A regular favourite of mine for just that reason..... The cost of the ZED ticket down on LX, and back on EI the same day pales i
49 AmricanShamrok : It appears a LOT Polish Airlines aircraft is making a transit stop at SNN today routing Katowice-Shannon-Goose Bay as flight LO7911... Due to arrive a
50 shamrock604 : Yup, just checked it, and its a 767-200. It may be proceeding on from Goose bay, but we wont be able to see that as it wont be visible in the Europea
51 kaitak : I think it could quite easily do WAW-SEA nonstop; my guess is that it was to do with a military detachment going to Goose Bay (which is often used by
52 Post contains images shamrock604 : Yeah, That is more likely I think! I was thinking that perhaps there was a technical issue that limited performance, hence the stops, but I had forgo
53 callbell : I think that passenger was complaining as he/she had precleared Customs in SNN using the new facility, and was expecting NOT to have to pick up their
54 BrianDromey : Thats a new one! Interesting flight. I hope this gets sorted by the time T2 opens, as it is a major facility that the DAA are pushing. It was feature
55 shamrock604 : They are already at it Brian. have a look at boards.ie. One guy even ranted about the DAA "money wasters" because they show sky sports around the air
56 BrianDromey : In all fairness the DAA are probably getting some revenue from Sky or the Hardware manufacturers for this! LHR is dotted with BBC News on massive SMA
57 Post contains images shamrock604 : I tried explaining that myself! It seems everything you do in Ireland now is a waste - Public Transport is a waste, our new motorways are "ghost road
58 kaitak : I understand exactly what you mean; this withering, acidic negativity is so pervasive and it really is going to be one one of the biggest obstacles w
59 EIBusiness : Thanks for that information Kaitak, Really, though, it's absolutely no surprise that FR fares will have to rise - because the business model is flawed
60 Post contains images aerecosse : totally agree shamrock604....... motorway networks are now virtually complete & are absolutely great - 50 mins from Wicklow (probably a ghost tow
61 aerlingusa330 : It's taken them how long to figure this out? EI isn't a no-frills, low cost airline (I didn't say low-fare). It never has and can be a competitor by
62 eirbus06 : Flightaware now says its going to Hamilton airport.
63 Eagleboy : I think the article is a little late by Reuters. CEO Mueller has spent the last year changing the EI model. The previous CEO seemed to think by merel
64 BrianDromey : I think the days of 0.01 fares might be numbered, but I think FR will look at how WN (and to a lesser extend U2) have matured. WN still offers low fa
65 AmricanShamrok : I have a question about DUB-LON flights; why is it that they all take an initial heading directly east across the Irish sea instead of southeast? This
66 LUPOR1D : That would be LIFFY UL975 WAL - Heathrow, Stansted and Luton go that way. Its the preferred route for flow control Gatwick would go PESIT L149 and th
67 Eagleboy : Isn't airspace over Wales regularly restricted due to RAF activity? If so going East to Cumbria then South-East towards London is a more normal routi
68 bx737 : Indeed Eagleboy is correct, RAF Valley on Anglesey Island use Welsh aerospace for training,thus the need to use the routings outlined.
69 AmricanShamrok : Thanks for the answers.
70 LIFFY1A : Are you sure about that? How about an order of 300 aircraft to replace the current fleet?
71 kaitak : The only way I'd be willing to take this seriously would be if FR were going down the EI road and looking at something smaller than the 738. Again, I
72 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : I think it was G-CDFF: View Large View MediumPhoto © Allan Huse
73 oa260 : Gill Airways is a blast from the past, I flew them many times on the BHD-NCL route.
74 Post contains links rojam : "Aer Lingus Steps Up Alliance Talks With British Airways, Rivals, CEO Says" - [cf. Bloomberg News] - interesting news given that their stock has been
75 AmricanShamrok : It's hard to see them choosing an alliance other than Star Alliance if they're planning on expanding the joint venture with UA at IAD. It would be no
76 shamrock604 : I guess it all depends on what options each alliance gives. If allying with Star means that EI just feeds other members, then its pointless. If BA on
77 EI320 : Things look set to get interesting. Would be nice if a decision was made before the end of the year. I can't see the joint venture being significantl
78 Post contains links dstc47 : What if a Ryanair stewardess could replace MOL? An FR pilot speculates. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/728ad6b8-bf78-11df-965a-00144feab49a.html Now, as co
79 Eagleboy : From the official statements EI/Mueller are examining closely their options. And with the increase in EI comments on possible alliance membership I a
80 ClassicLover : Especially telling is this comment - "“Oneworld, say, might be the best alliance on paper, from the connectivity we gain and cost synergies,” Mue
81 BrianDromey : As I have said before, I think the realistic options are STAR or one world. The noises sound like one world, an alliance which is strong into Asia/Au
82 EI2KSEA : I think that Star adds no value whatsoever for Aer Lingus and I cant see them going any way other than oneworld unless Mueller wrestles some serious c
83 Post contains links oa260 : Aer Lingus may line up Walsh's BA Oneworld alliance as partner AER LINGUS yesterday played down suggestions that it was in advanced talks to join one
84 dstc47 : Never heard of that happening before, but it would be a major admission of error by EI - as many of us here pointed out at the time. Still not sure w
85 CaptainMeeerkat : Anyone know what these flights ae about from the Dublin airport website: AC9999 Anchorage 1100, didn't think AC had a second flight from DUB and the n
86 LUPOR1D : testing
87 Pe@rson : Has Aer Arann said anything about flying DUB-BOH? I ask as it has taken up various Ireland-UK regional routes post-FR. FR ceases DUB-BOH, after many y
88 EI2KSEA : Im not so sure it is. At the time of Aer Lingus's departure, OW provided little value to EI, there was a significant annual cost for membership as we
89 Post contains links and images clydenairways : Little "identify it" game for you guys here... Look at the following photo recently uploaded and you will notice a familiar machine in the background.
90 dstc47 : I think it may be Newark, served by EI as some of us may recall, another one of the locations dropped by EI.
91 Post contains images ClassicLover : Not that I've heard of... the main point to remember is that oneworld were quite happy to have EI in the alliance. I don't think there was any push f
92 oneworld77 : Spot- on summing up. OW has moved closer to where EI is - with EI nudging a bit in their direction recently with their moving away from no frills pos
93 Post contains links kaitak : I think it is EI-ASH; it was leased to Aerolineas from late 1984 to March '85: http://www.planespotters.net/Product.../737/20223,CC-CSL-LAN-Airlines.
94 clydenairways : Good spot!
95 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : Aer Lingus 737-200s were leased out a lot. Here is EI-ASH on another occasion: View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard
96 Post contains links OA260 : My recent Aer Lingus and MEA report can be seen here : MEA (Middle East Airlines)+EI DUB-LHR-BEY Lots Pix (by OA260 Sep 15 2010 in Trip Reports)# I ch
97 auntie : Have to agree OA, I sat there a few weeks ago after a looooong day and those couches were a welcome sight. Shoes off, feet up, paper out - makes a hu
98 Post contains links kaitak : Some interesting comments about EI and the possibility of another carrier buying a stake in it: http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1284639556.html Not
99 Ire2008 : Hey just wondering if EI are to move from the LoCo model, ie become a member in an alliance (bets on oneworld!) would they start to offer free bags ag
100 Post contains links and images oa260 : Here are some pics : Waiting area LHR T1 And the Aer Lingus GC Lounge Welcome , yes they are great, if EI were like that then it would up the game on
101 shamrock321 : EI lounges are quite similar to the BD lounges judging by the photos, but BD have some more modern furniture, havnt read your trip report ye OA having
102 oa260 : I have to say I like the EI lounges more than the BD ones, although the new refurbished one in LHR is very nice. The food offerings in DUB are better
103 BrianDromey : My opinion is that the BD lounges at LHR are superior, although the EI one is fantastically close to the gates. My big issue with the LHR lounge is t
104 shamrock321 : Just to add WiFi is free in DUB for all of Septemer,l perhaps a sign of things to come?
105 shamrock350 : Where exactly is this and when did it appear? Most of my flights this year have been either through LGW with EI, STN with FR or LHR with BD but I hav
106 EI320 : It's on the left just before the entrance to the UK/Ireland gates 4-12 and 60-90 in the departure lounge. Got a quick glimpse of it last week but did
107 shamrock350 : Thanks E320, I think I have an idea where it is now. It does look classy, I like the large black and white images of Ireland as well.
108 Post contains images EI320 : No problem. I'm guessing the desk attendant makes an announcement when boarding commences for the EI flights so that passengers don't have to endure
109 auntie : She didn't when I was there anyway - there was just the usual pa announcement 'go to gate x' meaning the a/c has arrived so if you go down then, you
110 oa260 : Boingo was the strongest signal and it was £2.95 an hour. I agree that the LHR BMI lounges are superior but in DUB EI has the lead both for design a
111 Post contains links and images ClassicLover : Aer Lingus for sale? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...rgets/story-e6frg95x-1225925494487 "AER Lingus is effectively up for sale, just as the Iri
112 Post contains images BrianDromey : I've never actually visited the GC in DUB. In the past two years of GC membership I've not flown from DUB with EI. the BD lounge at DUB is certainly
113 EagleBoy : I think the article is a bit of speculative journalism based on a few quotes, wishful thinking, the BA/IB announcement and looking at the current tren
114 Post contains links oa260 : Tie-up with BA becoming attractive for Aer Lingus But takeover is unlikely with Ryanair holding a 29.8pc stake in company Aer Lingus is looking for a
115 Post contains images ClassicLover : Sure, and if it happens, it would be best if it was a BA/IB acquisition of a percentage than a continental European acquisition. Hahaha! Fair point N
116 dstc47 : Irish misery literature gains a new correspondent in that Herald story, - a genre dating back to Spenser at least. She must have had a sheltered time
117 EIRules : Few odd arrivals on the board in DUB this afternoon; Philadelphia Us Airways US9996 18-09-2010 14:30 Cancelled Carcassonne Delta Air Lines DL7951 18-0
118 CaptainMeeerkat : @ EIRules, i noticed the same problem last week also and was informed that it was a test......
119 bx737 : Eventually got my copy of Skyliner magazine. This is what is says about Aer Lingus "Aer Lingus will dispose of seven aircraft after the summer with fo
120 oa260 : Belfast Harbour now there's a name from the past. Probably better as it's in the city.
121 bestwestern : Harbour and aircraft tend not to be used together in one paragraph...
122 AmricanShamrok : Quick question for the DUBs - how many gates are in each pier (as in Pier A/200s, Pier B/300s, Pier D/100s)? And also how are gates numbered in each?
123 ClassicLover : Yes... the gates are numbered 101-121 on the old D gates, 201-220 on the old A gates, 301-313 on the old B gates. Hope that helps... Dublin Airport's
124 oa260 : Still cant get used to them to me they are still A/B/D . Even staff I speak to at the airport still refer to them as such.
125 Post contains images ClassicLover : I am getting used to it nowadays, it makes more sense than before... but yeah, it'll be a while until people get used to it! At least we know the Ter
126 BrianDromey : Its hard to undo years of habit. I do wonder if the DAA did this renaming to avoid any adverse publicity around Pier E, which the DAA really want to
127 shamrock604 : You would be surprised how many pax are thrown off by the fact that D was next to A and not C! I have been accosted by pax more times than I care to
128 ClassicLover : Well traffic has collapsed, the figures don't lie. I do agree that the comments are alliance related - Mueller wants the best deal for EI, and so he
129 shamrock604 : But not 40%! That is an exageration, especially if you strip out the effect of the ash crisis this year. And its worth noting that most of the traffi
130 oa260 : Yes true , Im usually good at adapting but cant get used to it still . Must be old age lol.. I saw 0.00 fares for EI to LGW for November .
131 shamrock604 : There's loads of them Phil. I've been checking. That statement just is not true, and Mueller in my view needs to be careful with this as he will alie
132 oa260 : Yes just checked again an all in 0.00 fare to LGW is €78 , still not bad. Your right about putting people off because people might not bother to ch
133 shamrock604 : I booked LHR-DUB for 29GBP all in, and have found several others at that price, as I am currently looking after some family travel arrangements for a
134 AmricanShamrok : That did help, thanks.
135 ClassicLover : So what are the Irish airlines doing wrong, and why?
136 bestwestern : Irish airlines are O&D focused, leisure biased airlines. The carriers that are doing well in Dublin are hub carriers that carry people over an en
137 dstc47 : At least it tells you where to look for it. Met someone recently who was trying to check in at GLA for a flight from PIK, a disadvantage of having tw
138 BHD : Just updating from room at Park Plaza Hotel at BFS after easyjet cancelled my flight this morning to BCN. Our flight and another, and I think also one
139 styles9002 : US announces daily non-stop B757 service from CLT to DUB from May 2011. Service is summer seasonal.
140 Pe@rson : Some cities, such as Vancouver and Seattle, have harbours that seaplanes utilise - and these are often very close to the downtown area, e.g. 1.9mi fo
141 Post contains links oa260 : Rival bid for US troop air traffic a blow to Shannon SHANNON Airport faces the loss of US troop transfers, after a German airport emerged with a major
142 shamrock321 : Great news that US has confirmed CLT, my source was correct!
143 gosimeon : I agree. It's fantastic to see a new route starting at this time, especially a long-haul one! However... am I the only one that think this is an odd
144 AmricanShamrok : While it is an extremely worrying time for SNN and indeed the Shannon Region/Limerick, I don't think there's a fear of the CBP closing. €21 million
145 EIBusiness : French ATC working wonders again today as part of the ongoing Civil Service strike. EI562 to BCN delayed by 30 minutes at first due to altering of flg
146 AmricanShamrok : I think so too! Quite odd and there won't be many origin-and-destination passengers but look at Atlanta and how successful it is for Delta - there ar
147 shamrock321 : T2 airlines are confirmed as EI/EY/DL/CO/US and AA next summer.
148 shamrock604 : Horrible news to get today for Shannon, especially on a day when Ireland has secured a new Long haul route with US. The Troop traffic only really ben
149 AmricanShamrok : Is there a source on that? AC and TS will remain in Terminal 1 then? And what about charter flights?
150 shamrock321 : Yes AC and TS will remain in T1, all charters will stay in T1 also. Like I said EI/EY/DL/CO/US and AA next summer. No one else.
151 kaitak : It's part of French ATC procedures to maintain currency; I think, like every other part of their job - radar, approach etc, they have to keep up to d
152 AmricanShamrok : Fingers crossed. For an airport to drop from nearly 2 million passengers at its peak just three years ago to an expected 400,000 this year is nothing
153 EireRock : Well at least they are taking the risk with the route, I don't think its very fair to knock them while the country is crying out for more aviation op
154 kaitak : I do take your point and I was glad to hear that US was starting CLT-DUB, but I just wished they could have put something decent on the route, like a
155 kaitak : So, it looks like DUB could be 757-land next Summer; CO will probably have two 757s; US will probably (according to the other thread running on the CL
156 shamrock604 : I dont think thats correct amricanShamrok - the airport was handling about 3.6 million at peak, and I think thats expected to be down to about 1.9 mi
157 EIBusiness : I think that the statement is true to an extent Shamrock604. Perhaps Mr. Mueller is not being very clear with his words per se. I wish that I had see
158 Post contains links kaitak : Air India is apparently still looking at DUB, at least according to the DAA. Saw this article in the Deccan Herald - regular reading for us all, I kno
159 oa260 : It seems to be erratic. Myself and another Anetter just booked flights to LHR . EI was €65.47 and BMI was €35.20 thats taking into account like f
160 bestwestern : I understand that Omni is one of the largest corporate hotel bookers in the mid-west, if not the country, with so much HOTAC for crew and pilots for
161 Post contains images shamrock604 : Oops.. sorry about that. I had completely forgotten about the needs of the crew....
162 Post contains links bestwestern : Excellent article on the DAA chief executive in India. http://www.thehindu.com/business/article720045.ece “Compared to Frankfurt, we have estimated
163 shamrock604 : There's one problem I now see with AI and T2 now that EI have commited - will there be enough stands at peak time of 7am to 9am for all the EI long h
164 Post contains links oa260 : Fingers crossed that we may still have hope of AI coming. Only time will tell. ---- System to avert mid-air crashes triggered three times this year AN
165 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : My apologies - I ws looking at FR figures as opposed to overall traffic!
166 shamrock321 : So if AA were to announce a JFK-DUB route it would be amazing news from DUB! I think its quite possible with EI leaning more towards UA on the US rout
167 Post contains links DavecFlyer : I flew DUB - ORD on EI125 yesterday but didn't get a clear view of the reg. It's also not showing up on www.acarsd.org. EI-EAV was parked around the 3
168 dstc47 : Just to mention that Dublin Bus, as part of a series of service "improvements", have now withdrawn the 746 bus service that ran to Dun Laoire from Dub
169 Nibog : [quote=EIBusiness,reply=157]However, for those who want to augment the level of service - the option is there at nominal prices in general with multip
170 oneworld77 : Any news on RE? I can't believe we're here again in relation to AI, surely that one is buried?
171 bestwestern : Why should it be buried - because one is bored? In india nothing happens quickly... and in Air India, a state company, things happen even less quickl
172 EIBusiness : You make some fair points Nibog - however I would like to take exception with some of them if I may. I certainly agree with you that if EI were to in
173 shamrock321 : Maybe the DAA would be better off chasing someone like 9W, they use BRU as a hub enroute to the USA, is the Belgian-India market that big? The amount
174 kaitak : I take it you mean transferring from Ireland to India via AUH. Just out of interest - and I realise that you will be limited in what you can say here
175 CelticMech : Heya...Just to Confirm the EI125 on Monday the 20th was indeed EI-EAV.
176 Nibog : By all means,that is what i like about these forums,great (Irish) aviation debates otherwise known as "craic"!!! This should have no bearing on a pro
177 EIBusiness : Absolutely - the customer is always right - if you want to keep their business that is. However, the attitude of a passenger does impact upon the ser
178 shamrock321 : When the recession first hit and well into it the amount of transfer passengers flying AUH-OZ was ming boggling! Its still quite high but I reckon and
179 kaitak : That's very interesting, because when the rumours about AI began to surface, a lot of us assumed that there was not much in the way of travel between
180 ClassicLover : O2 Treats has 20% off BMI flights from Dublin to London Heathrow. You need to book by 20 November 2010, and it's 20% off the fare not the taxes. If yo
181 Post contains links f1eddie : Im assuming Nibog is referring to this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10922843
182 EireRock : And vice versa an abrupt crew member, of which i have seen many times, will have the same effect on the customer.
183 Post contains images oa260 : We called it Tritchi , funny enough there is a large Irish charity that has its volunteers fly out there . I know someone who was doing it a few year
184 kaitak : Actually, these are different places; Tiruchirappalli is not far from Chennai; the place formerly known as Trivandrum is Thiruvananthapuram. And the
185 oneworld77 : Yes, and people who deal with India know not to mutter anything about it until the ink is dry (I give you the recent 'decision' that India's Aviation
186 Post contains images shamrock604 : Well, im dying for it to happen purely so I can ZED travel on a reasonably exotic carrier to the US.... will be nice to have something less boring to
187 Post contains images CaptainMeeerkat : I had to google JFDI, I wasn't impressed with the answer!
188 Post contains images shamrock604 : Im guessing it means "Just Fu**ing Do It"......
189 Post contains images CaptainMeeerkat : Copy 604! wonderful these days what a little bit of googling can show you! EI for Oneworld........hope not with language like that!
190 oneworld77 : Apologies if offended!! Nike's lesser known adage. Was in AUH (transferring to FUK - being rude again!) and the amount of Irish heads floating around
191 Post contains images shamrock604 : No, that sort of language would be terribly vulgar for blue chip airlines liek British Airways and Cathay Pacific. I think on that basis, EI would be
192 Post contains links oa260 : New EU air law on identity AIRLINE PASSENGERS may be asked to name their next of kin when they book a flight under a new law being passed by the Europ
193 ThrottleHold : The name and call sign of TRV radar is still Trivandrum. Probably because no one would be able to pronounce it otherwise!
194 sawtooth : Interesting rumour posted on the other forum is that FlyBe are in discussion with AF/KLM to buy Cityjet. There have been some rumblings of financial d
195 oa260 : Well the way Flybe are expanding it might be true. Also their links with AF would not be incompatible with that rumour. Some E Jets on the DUB-CDG ro
196 DavecFlyer : Cheers CelticMech!
197 EIBusiness : For the purposes of information - the Aer Lingus share price reached EUR 1.07 per share today during trade - the highest level since February 2009, wh
198 kaitak : Had a quick look at the PPRUNE threads for both carriers and there are strong rumours about this; the new WX CEO is an AF executive and (allegedly) h
199 neutral : I can't see the government going for Ryanair's plan to boost passenger numbers at Dublin,Cork and Shannon Ryanair, the world’s largest international
200 shamrock604 : That pprune thread is rubbish. Why would AF have given cityjet the money to buy VLM (a couple of hundred million) to then go and hive it off to anoth
201 bestwestern : kaitak - as pprune is a free site, anyone can post anything - just like the rumour that EI was joining star in the morning a few weeks ago that many
202 shamrock604 : Exactly. Besides, Jim French was quoted as saying that they were interested in two Continental European airlines. Dublin, which is WX's base, is as w
203 Post contains links oa260 : Shannon plans for Paris route dealt blow By Pat Flynn - Thursday, September 23, 2010 EFFORTS by Shannon Airport to secure a replacement airline to tak
204 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Ryanair are to close their Kerry Airport base from 31 October. KIR-DUB flights will be cut from 3 daily to 1 daily and will be operated on a purely "c
205 shamrock604 : Another load of Horseshit. The Passenger pays the Airport tax and airport charges, not Ryanair. A clever way for FR to abandon a loss making PSO. Giv
206 BrianDromey : Did anyone at SNN really think this was a runner? BA wouldn't touch a SNN-LHR service with a barge pole, let alone CDG-SNN. More to the point BA don'
207 LUPOR1D : I know Pat and he's not. In all seriousness, I wonder were they really being serious, thinking BA would operate a SNN-CDG service. Eep.
208 AmricanShamrok : I think they knew before they approached BA what the answer would be. Fair play to the SAA though - they went to nearly possible airline that would o
209 ClassicLover : Sure, but more people will book if the taxes are lower and so on.
210 dstc47 : Indeed, even the most folorn hopes seem to have been tried, but that was probably not worth the price of a stamp. DUB was very congested early yester
211 EI320 : SNN will have a near-impossible job trying to pull in other carriers to operate routes abandoned by FR. I think EI is their only hope for european ro
212 COEI2007 : Its kind of sad to see DUB-KIR cut back to only a daily flight, as DUB-ORK has been cut so much to. It wasnt so long ago RE operated multiple flights
213 shamrock321 : Surprised no one hasnt brought up the terrible problems with immigration at DUB this last few weeks. Some non EU nationals have had to wait 2 hours to
214 EIBusiness : Great news to hear that the US Military contract will remain at SNN, the business is much needed right now. However, it's disappointing to hear of no
215 Post contains links OA260 : It was discussed last year by me , seems like nothing has changed. Maybe it got better for a while but by your comments seems like its back to ''norm
216 shamrock604 : Ah yes, the same paper that commented on Ireland's debt to GDP ratio, and that of the UK, but failed to point out the UK's ratio was worse than ours.
217 styles9002 : I agree with you here EiBusiness. Not only probably the worst in the history of your modern State but also one of the worst of any advanced economy e
218 Post contains links OA260 : Ryanair chief acting like the boy who owns the ball Two airports find themselves pawns in Ryanair’s battle, writes Donal Hickey WHO does Michael O
219 Post contains links sawtooth : FR have updated booking system with the new KIR rotations. They still allow full day return from Kerry but as with NOC PSO the reverse from Dublin isn
220 gosimeon : Although I have been a fan of Mueller at Aer Lingus so far, O'Leary makes an interesting point when he says the following in one of the articles OA260
221 styles9002 : This is a good point gosimeon. I think we are seeing a similar strategy here in the USA with Southwest Airlines. They have realized that their focus
222 shamrock604 : That's true, but FR is saying that these contribute to his costs, but they do not. You havent seen RE ask for the same thing for the other PSO's. FR
223 EIBusiness : This is an interesting announcement from Ryanair, but hardly surprising. It was only a matter of time before the current growth strategy would become
224 Nibog : Not sure I understand you on this EIBusiness,do they reduce/enlarge their ops??
225 EIBusiness : Well - it's a difficult decision isn't it. If you are going to transition into a higher cost base, a more consolidated, smaller operation would be th
226 Nibog : Thanks for that,although you call it a crossroads I see it described as "carey-sharey stuff," I suppose that's what you do at the crossroads!!!!!!
227 Post contains links OA260 : Aircoach cancels Belfast-Dublin service A coach company has suspended its route between Belfast to Dublin Airport after six years of operation. Aircoa
228 Post contains links kaitak : 22/10 is now open: Irish 22/10: The Vultures Are Circling. (by kaitak Sep 24 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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