Tg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3244 times:
If i don't remember wrong, this a/c was involved in a incident somewere in Asia or Oceania, which caused the winglet to be removed before flying the bird (on regular scheduled pax flight) bak to the US.
Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
That is really weird that it doesn't have a winglet. I wonder if that is safe to fly like that. It must be because that plane is about to depart. Why is a 744 flying domestic from Denver to Chicago? Airlines don't usually fly that big of a plane on domestic flights in the US except to Hawaii and that one is going to Chicago. Did it come in from Asia or some other place and is going on to Chicago?
Apuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3036 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
This problem was also discussed in an older topic. If I remember well, it's possible to fly the aircraft with one or two winglets being removed.
However, I wonder if, flying this aircraft with only one winglet, this doesn't cause assymetric problems. Wouldn't it be better to remove BOTH winglets? Or does even one winglet cause a noticeable increase in performance, and hardly any problems for flying this bird?
Mac From United States of America, joined May 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3097 times:
With all due respect to all, I will not let myself be led to believe that a 747 or any other aircraft leased by or belonging to a major U.S. airline would be allowed clearance to fly without proper wing configuration...such as a winglet.
Again, with respect, the author of this picture is mistaken when he says that this aircraft had just finished pushback for departure.
By a very great deal of stretching the imagination, the plane could have been on a special ferry flight, without passengers, to an overhaul center.
And my last remaining thought is that if the above is incorrect, than someone is carrying off some black magic produced by computer magic.
I say all of this with good intentions and without any malice what so ever.
AC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3082 times:
This topic has been discussed a few times here on the forum.
Yes, it is possible for a 744 to fly with one winglet missing. It all depends on what the MEL (Minimum Equipent List) or as VC-10 mentioned, the CDL (Configuration Deviation List) says and requires.
Air Canada had a 744 flying for a while with the right winglet missing. This is safe to do.
The performance of the a/c will suffer a little in terms of fuel economy and range. There's probably also some minor changes with weight and balance of the plane as well as some small aerodynamic differences, however, nothing major that would ground the a/c unless the wing itself was damaged.
In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
Jet_guy From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3055 times:
A UA 744 flew AKL-LAX without both winglets when it was pushed back into the terminal, I dont know if it flew pax. back to LAX though. As this happened only last month, and those pics taken in '96 it isnt the same plane!!
Red Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
Those are not new pix. This has been discussed before. But for those who don't know about it, this particular 744 was to participate in a test w/o winglets to see if the winglets really matter to fuel consumption.
Winglets are not in MEL. For someone (forgot your name, sorry) who doesn't know why 744D is an exception, 744D doesn't have any winglet at all. So, which just not apply to the D-model.
We're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (14 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
Actually, a friend of my former roommate's cousin's uncle (who, during a period between Dec. '89 and Jan. '90, worked for Boeing) told me that the 747 in question crashed shortly after takeoff because the pilots did not perform a walkaround OR go over the winglet checklist. So according to him, a 747 CAN'T fly without both winglets.