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Does Daley's Retirement Signal The Return Of Kcgx?  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

Interesting article in today's Chicago Tribune concerning speculation that Meigs may reopen with Mayor Daley's pending departure. I'd give this as much of a chance of a snowball in hell during the summer, but some private aviators seem determined to press ahead with a grassroots movement dedicated to Meigs' restoration.

That being the case, I feel compelled to wonder 1) if there's any demand for a 'new' KCGX, and 2) who'd pay for the removal of the Chase concert pavillion, parks, etc. I'd also be curious to how the ongoing addition of 50+ story buildings (not to mention plans for The Spire and other megastructures) in the vicinity of Northerly Island would affect takeoffs/landings.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-hope-for-revived-meigs-field.html

777fan


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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

I'm afraid CGX has as much chance of being rebuilt as Sue the T-Rex in the Field Museum has of coming back to life (Jurassic Park notwithstanding!)

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11. Perhaps it could be reopened in part for helicoptors under very controled conditions as done in NY City but never for fixed wing aircraft.

User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11.

Then why did the closure have to be carried out in the middle of the night by a bulldozer? If it was legitimate, there would have been no need for such covert action.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11. Perhaps it could be reopened in part for helicoptors under very controled conditions as done in NY City but never for fixed wing aircraft.

BS! It was done illegally by a Mayor who didn't want to follow the rules, because he wanted to name a park after his wife. In fact, it could be argued that the area is less safe without the airport there, as now it is uncontrolled airspace, rather than having an ATC tower control who is going in/out of the area.

That said, the odds of getting it rebuilt are very close to zero.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1307 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8984 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11. Perhaps it could be reopened in part for helicoptors under very controled conditions as done in NY City but never for fixed wing aircraft.

Misspellings aside, this is spit-out-your-beer funny. Via this logic, DCA is the worst threat to civilization since the Plague. What was the largest aircraft operating out of Meigs? What was the difference in flying time to, say, the Sears Tower (or whatever name they made up for it now) between it and Midway? If the government was that concerned about it, that entire area would be a no-fly zone. Note, the FEDERAL government, not the freakin' city mayor.


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):


Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11. Perhaps it could be reopened in part for helicoptors under very controled conditions as done in NY City but never for fixed wing aircraft.

This is, without a doubt, one of the most patently ridiculous statements I have ever read.

Mayor Daley cited "security" as a basis for his decision to destroy the field, but there is no factual or rational basis for this contention.

The loss of Meigs, in fact, has reduced safety and security, because air traffic in the area is no longer under control of a local control tower. In addition, there is no longer a base for police and fire operations at CGX.

GA operations at CGX (or, for that matter, at any other airpport in any other city) are not a security risk, and the use of "security" as a basis for closure is the thinnest of pretexts.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8951 times:

Oh yeah...

...it would be a dream come true for CGX to be reconstituted, and a substantial benefit to Chicago's business climate, but I'd be shocked to see it happen.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

I'd be shocked to see it happen but I would personally send funds to help rebuild the Megis Field. When it was announced that Daley was not seeking re-election I was extremely happy. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11.

You realize La Guardia airport is in the middle of New York City, right?

And that none of the planes on 9/11 took off from there?

What "legitimate security concerns" could there possibly be to shut down any airfield?



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4515 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11. Perhaps it could be reopened in part for helicoptors under very controled conditions as done in NY City but never for fixed wing aircraft.

Ridiculous. I remember when they bulldozed Meigs. They did it like cowards in the night, there were even GA aircraft on the ramp that were trapped at the airport as a result of the overnight bulldozing of the runway! They had to use the taxiway to take off from the airfield.

There are protocols when it comes to shutting down an airfield. This mayor instead stomped his feet and behaved like a child and did what he wanted to do with complete disregard for how it would impact anyone else. Remember the reaction of the Friends of Meigs?

I'm glad to see Daley go. I really dont think the airport will come back, but it sure would be nice to send a message to that poor excuse of a mayor.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8743 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 4):
because he wanted to name a park after his wife.

What is the park's name? Maggie?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 6):
The loss of Meigs, in fact, has reduced safety and security, because air traffic in the area is no longer under control of a local control tower.

Can you point to any accident or incident that has happened as a result? And if not (and I'm relatively certain you can't), how do we balance the reduced traffic, which would tend to increase safety, with the lack of tower, which would tend to decrease safety.

I hate what Daley did as much as anyone, but I don't know that life without CGX is that much different from life with CGX.



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User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Megis Field was closed as part of a legitment serious security concerns after 9/11. Perhaps it could be reopened in part for helicoptors under very controled conditions as done in NY City but never for fixed wing aircraft.

Umm....The planes that hit the WTC towers took off from Boston 180 miles from their targets. So for legitimate security concerns ORD, MDW, MKE, RFD, GYY, DPA, ARR, 06C, PWK, and a few others I know would also have to be closed.

Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):
If the government was that concerned about it, that entire area would be a no-fly zone.

Remember he got one over Chicago. All the way up to 3,000 ft! And of course a no fly zone would really stop a terrorist, 'cause I'm sure that sitting in a cave in Afghanistan bin Laden was thinking I want to kill thousands of American infidels but I don't want to violate federal aviation regulations.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 6):

The loss of Meigs, in fact, has reduced safety and security, because air traffic in the area is no longer under control of a local control tower. In addition, there is no longer a base for police and fire operations at CGX.

  

Daley outsmarted himself on this one. When Meigs was there, it was techincally Class D airspace, meaning the airspace around the airport up to 2600 feet was under the control of the tower, and you had to be in contact with the tower to enter it. This area would naturally include the loop. Additionally, the patterns were over the lake as it was, and all arrivals and departures stayed over the lake to avoid conflicting with ORD traffic. By eliminating the Class D airspace, Daley has actually made it easier, not harder, to fly a private plane over the city of Chicago.


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8483 times:
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So how soon after hizonor is out of office do we send the bulldozers to work on his driveway?


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

I seemed to have fired up the supporters of Meigs field   

I am not ignorant of the dirty politics of Chicago and that of the Daley family. I am not ignorant of the realtity that there were private interests that wanted to exploit the Meigs Field site for their personal finalcial gain and paid the Democratic Party leadership large campaign contributions to gain that access for their short term greed. I think his use of dictatorial powers in the 'middle of the night' destrucion of the airport should have put him in jail, but we all well know that wouldn't happen in that city due to the party's contol of the proscutitors and the courts. I also think there were demands for more park space in the city, especially near the waterfront and closer to the South Side of the city which has little publc space and a need for their votes. I would also suggest that as this airport was not being used by biz jets, and more the 'toys' of the relative rich, that there was not enough support from the business community and a place mainly for the well off is not popular with many lower and middle class voters.

Still, one has to question the existance of a small GA airport so close to a major downtown of one of our biggest cities in the post-9/11 era, especialy with the excessively hyped up fears from GA's in terror plots of the general resident. Yes, there a number of GA and major airports in high-risk areas to cities, but the politcs and business pressures means they stay. That didn't exist with Meigs Field so it died.


User currently offlinebobprobert95 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

I wish it were back. I don't see it happening. However, remember how politics in Chicago work and have worked for all of our natural born lives. If they can take it down in the middle of the night than it can be resurrected in the middle of the night. All you need is to grease the right political wheels and maybe you have something.

We can all wish. Heck, I didn't think the Blackhawks would win the Stanley Cup in my lifetime and what do you know, Stanley Cup champs!

I'm just saying...


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5151 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):


Still, one has to question the existance of a small GA airport so close to a major downtown of one of our biggest cities in the post-9/11 era,

Then scores of airports all over the country should be closed?

If there is another big attack, it wont come from above.



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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2008 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
Still, one has to question the existance of a small GA airport so close to a major downtown of one of our biggest cities in the post-9/11 era, especialy with the excessively hyped up fears from GA's in terror plots of the general resident. Yes, there a number of GA and major airports in high-risk areas to cities, but the politcs and business pressures means they stay. That didn't exist with Meigs Field so it died.

Would you advocate the closing of BKL just because it sits right downtown Cleveland?


User currently offlineLorM From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
Still, one has to question the existance of a small GA airport so close to a major downtown of one of our biggest cities in the post-9/11 era, especialy with the excessively hyped up fears from GA's in terror plots of the general resident. Yes, there a number of GA and major airports in high-risk areas to cities, but the politcs and business pressures means they stay. That didn't exist with Meigs Field so it died.


I don't see how its proximity has anything to do with it being dangerous. If an individual wanted to use a general aviation aircraft and crash in a major city there is not much stopping them no matter where the airport might have been located. If they made appropriate radio calls when needed I don't see how you could do much, save somehow it being intercepted well ahead of time.

Closing an airport because it's somehow "GA dangerous" is not a logical solution. Insuring secure access to the facilities and aircraft is.

You might as well close every GA aircraft airport within flying distance of any populated area. Add to that there's already GA facilities that exist at major airports.

Post 9/11 fears about general aviation is post 9/11 hysteria. If anything, more people on the ground have died from commercial aircraft crashing in populated areas than general aviation ever has.

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 13):
Umm....The planes that hit the WTC towers took off from Boston 180 miles from their targets. So for legitimate security concerns ORD, MDW, MKE, RFD, GYY, DPA, ARR, 06C, PWK, and a few others I know would also have to be closed.

Like Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport / BKL ... It's "dangerously" close to downtown Cleveland.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7870 times:
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Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 19):

Would you advocate the closing of BKL just because it sits right downtown Cleveland?

Well we are talking about Cleveland ...

In any case, as a resident of Chicago, someone who has paid taxes for over 10 years (and trust me, there are a LOT of them) to Mayor Daley, i could care less about Meigs. I think you will find most Chicagoans feel the same way.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
Yes, there a number of GA and major airports in high-risk areas to cities, but the politcs and business pressures means they stay. That didn't exist with Meigs Field so it died.

This I agree with. If Meigs served bizjets I doubt it would have been closed.


User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
Still, one has to question the existance of a small GA airport so close to a major downtown of one of our biggest cities in the post-9/11 era, especialy with the excessively hyped up fears from GA's in terror plots of the general resident.

GTU is about 20 miles from the IRS offices that Joe Stack crashed his plane into. If you're going to factor "post 9/11 security concerns" into where an airport should be, distance isn't a meaningful attribute.

[Edited 2010-09-10 06:59:23]

User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 19):

Would you advocate the closing of BKL just because it sits right downtown Cleveland?

Or ORL in Orlando. Or MKC in Kansas City. Or VDF & SPG in the Tampa/St. Pete area. And any number of small airports close to city centers across the country.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
I would also suggest that as this airport was not being used by biz jets, and more the 'toys' of the relative rich, that there was not enough support from the business community and a place mainly for the well off is not popular with many lower and middle class voters.

You sir, are vastly misinformed. First, the whole concept of jets being toys of the rich is crazy. Most people don't get rich by luck, they are for the most part, savvy with their money. Jets wouldn't be used if they didn't make financial sense, but don't try to convince people otherwise, they are too stupid to realize it. Secondly, there were tons of business aircraft going in and out of there, but they weren't jets. The were for small business's, who operated piston planes and perhaps small turboprop's. Couple that business aspect with the number of GA pilots who won't go to Chicago because of the way Daley blatantly disregarded federal law, and had nothing done to him.

-DiamondFlyer


25 ckfred : The problem with closing down Meigs is that Chicago lost the airport that brought in business people to both the Loop and to the trade show at McCormi
26 ericaasen : And we all remember those horrible images of that building collapsing and killing thousands of innocent people. Oh wait, that didn't happen. Nor did
27 Post contains images aa43e : The sad thing is you are probably the only person that actually believes that statement and that includes Richie Daley. The heaviest a/c to come in a
28 catiii : No...but you ARE ignorant when you make this statement: You buy into the biggest canard that the anti-GA crowd throws up, and that is that general av
29 TVNWZ : Daley won. Private pilots lost. It is now a park that can be enjoyed by all. Time to move on.
30 B777fan : You can't really be serious about that statement. Can you list the specific concerns that disappear by closing Meigs? I actually have more access to
31 burnsie28 : And we all have seen what damage a cessna does to buildings... a few panes of broken glass and a damaged desk. Really it doesn't matter that there is
32 mt99 : Yes. That is what kept Boeing and United from moving their headquarters to Chicago..
33 Post contains images aa43e : I don't think that's what he meant. KCGX provided direct access to downtown Chicago in a way that neither O'Hare or Midway could ever hope to. From l
34 Cubsrule : Well, maybe. CGX actually wasn't in a great location for car access, and it was on the wrong side of downtown for many businesses.
35 mt99 : How many "business person" are you talking about that would do this? 5-6 people a day?[Edited 2010-09-10 11:45:08]
36 Post contains images Renfro747 : I have never understood the excuse of terrrorism, myself. If downtown Chicago is a terrorists intended target, I would imagine the extra few minutes
37 United787 : Very well summed up! Not so easy... Exactly right, they would have to rebuild the entire airport from scratch which would take 1-2 years and cost ten
38 United787 : BTW, I have some great historic photos of the landfill being created if anyone is interested in posting them for me...
39 TVNWZ : Is everyone gullable? The terrorist gambit was just a political pre-text. Daley just wanted the airport closed and turned into a park. His pretext was
40 Post contains images Boeing1970 : If it were legitimate, they would have filed with the FAA to close the facility, been granted permission and then allowed to close it without doing s
41 ORD Boy 2 : I always thought CGX could have had another runway built into the lake and be turned into Chicago's RJ Airport. It would have been more efficient. If
42 Mir : Absolute BS. Daley made up that excuse in furtherance of his desire to get rid of the airport. You answered your own question when you said "excessiv
43 UAL Bagsmasher : You know what I find interesting about the whole CGX closing? Daley had this grand scheme of a park with wetlands, etc. The "temporary" venue of a con
44 Post contains images Mir : To be fair, the park isn't in the most accessible of locations. As you would expect from the site of a runway. -Mir
45 United787 : Have you been out there? Most of the site has been planted with native a prairie with paths and some trees.
46 777fan : Doubt that, but I wonder what its fate would have been had the runway and facilities been able to accomodate RJs. Eh, the Teamsters are doing a bang-
47 B777fan : You are correct, I was not quoting you. Must have hit the wrong button. Here is the correct quote I referred to. It bears repeating. My question abov
48 Post contains images AA43E : My goodness! If there were 5-6 business people coming in via Meigs everyday not counting weekends, that's still darned near 2000 revenue producing bu
49 413X3 : Not entirely true. There was a tax loophole that made it more beneficial for corporations to pay for private jets for their traveling executives.
50 777fan : I'd be curious to know what the Charter One Pavillion generates in revenue (and taxes) each year. I'd venture to guess the overhead (upkeep, staffing
51 ericaasen : And I always thought that this was just another one of his public speaking foibles. I think he meant to say a park...ing lot for the 'riverboat' casi
52 N6238P : I'm not sure what all this discussion about Meigs not bringing in the amount of volume necessary to justify its sustainability but doing a few quick s
53 sccutler : Specious nonsense. You can completely eliminate all accidents on any given road by simply closing the road. No, it died by unilateral fiat from one p
54 777fan : Daley was vehemently opposed to a riverboat casino (ref his famous "I don't want some putt-putt boat casino" quote) on the lakefront and consistently
55 2H4 : The benefits of the airport are not limited to commerce. Remember that in the event of an emergency of some sort, CGX would have been available to me
56 bravogolf : Meigs was VFR only. There was NO ILS or other equipment to allow IFR movements. If there was low visability aircraft would shoot the ILS into Gary, c
57 mt99 : Boeing? United? Cook County is a LOT bigger than Chicago Thats right.. you cant say it... Chicaogans in general prefer the park
58 Mir : Visual approaches. Still counts as an IFR arrival. -Mir
59 bravogolf : Their IFR flight plan was closed over GYY. So how does this count as an IFR for CGX??
60 DiamondFlyer : That's BS. They had GPS approaches, and would likely have WAAS approaches today, which would give them near ILS capability. Go ahead and take a look
61 Mir : What you say may be true on a truly bad weather day, but on your normal or marginal weather day (i.e. most days), you could shoot a visual approach t
62 TVNWZ : Miller-Coors. Miegs is a non-issue. It's gone and it's not coming back.
63 bravogolf : I believe that the old GPS approaches were only slightly better than VFR. However the new RNP approaches, that are being used at some airports and by
64 Post contains images chrisair : Are you mayor Daley's chief of staff or something?
65 Mir : They were about as good as your average VOR approach, and often better than NDB approaches. Not as good as an ILS, certainly, but how often do you re
66 Post contains links 777fan : I'm not disputing that, but the context of my post centered around the revenue Meigs generated, as it pertained to business (or commercial, theoretic
67 bravogolf : Most people don't realize that when you went the south end of the runway and looked down, you saw the lake. There was NO safety area to the south. If
68 ericaasen : I mean 'riverboat' like Aurora has a 'riverboat' casino that's mounted on pillings drilled into bedrock and can't move.
69 777fan : I understand but that's exactly what he didn't want; IIRC, he was instead looking to build a completely land-based structure near McCormick Place and
70 isitsafenow : Correct me please if I am wrong but I think Boeing moved HQ to Chicago AFTER Meigs was closed. safe I found the info...Boeing moved HQ to Chicago in
71 bravogolf : Nothing that Boeing flies would have been able to use Meigs!
72 cleared2land : It was Class D airspace, no "technically" about it. The tower suspended operations from 2200 to 0600 and the airspace was temporarilly Class G during
73 cleared2land : Did the MD Explorer line carry over to Boeing? If so, that would be the only aircraft that could realistically use Meigs. The C-17, at minimum weight
74 bravogolf : The Boeing Exective Flight Operations does not fly C17s. They fly BBJs (737s) and 604s and 605s.
75 Post contains links KarlB737 : Interesting interview from January 19th of this year where these topics are all discussed: Meigs, Casino, Parks etc. Courtesy: WBBM-TV Daley Still Pro
76 Post contains images isitsafenow : Never say NOTHING(or never). Try the UAL 727-100 that was delivered to the Museum of Science and Industy OCT 1992. Its on YOUTUBE....................
77 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: You Tube 727 Landing Meigs Field, Chicago Museum Science and Industry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks
78 sccutler : I've seen interviews of rabid segregationists who were proud of their continued efforts to preserve irrational and harmful policies which were based
79 isitsafenow : KARL.......kinda windy, ehhh? Thats why ya got more bounce to the ounce. Did you notice the cans (deployed reversers) were open before the nose wheel
80 mt99 : That wasn't the point, point was that "high profile people would use the airport to bring millions in business to the city" Besides,, dint United hav
81 cleared2land : B1900 service IIRC.
82 cleared2land : True. My point was that there are pretty large Boeing products that could operate at CGX.
83 ckfred : First of all, Boeing moved to Chicago before Meigs was closed. I believe the deal to move corporate from Seattle to Chicago was announced in May, 200
84 mt99 : How many people attending "conventions" travel by Cessna? LAS is a "full" airport, capable of not only handling passengers from a LOT farther than fl
85 Mir : Depending on the type of convention, a significant number. Especially if you expand the definition of Cessna to include Citations. -Mir
86 mt99 : How many conventions have you been to? Define "significant".. 5%? 10%? How many Citations would you need to move 60K people in 3 days?
87 N6238P : Welp if a GA airport in downtown Chicago can't handle 60,000 people might as well shut down every GA airport that can't handle those numbers either. S
88 mt99 : Useless for a convention? yes.
89 TVNWZ : Boeing moving after Miegs was the point. It has had no affect on any company moving to Chicago. The companies cited moved to Chicago despite Miegs be
90 isitsafenow : Nope...It was there last Monday morning and the elevator worked to the 16th floor...or was it the 18th? safe
91 Cubsrule : Yes - and the place where the road was is now safer. How is it nonsense? Again, I hate what Daley did, but I don't know that anyone can prove that th
92 B777fan : I do!!! And so does Boeing. They have their corporate fleet hangered there. My hanger is right next to the Gary Jet Center and there is quite a lot o
93 777fan : Right, but in the context of the thread, we'I think most everyone has been talking about business in the Loop/CBD of Chicago in which case PWK is no
94 sccutler : You get it. The specious nonsense part comes from the inevitable conclusion that a nothing is almost always safer than a something... but (of course)
95 mt99 : I think this is whats on debate. What was the utility of the airport?
96 TVNWZ : Precisely. And the utility was insignificant on a broad front, very significant on the enthusiast front. Daley dealt with the broad view that a park
97 spokemd : If Meigs had been open would Porter Airlines still chosen Midway ?? Just curious.
98 Post contains images TWFirst :
99 777fan : That's debatable, particularly if you're opposed to graft and taxes (but that's for the non-av section). As for being 'aviation friendly, I'd opine t
100 Cubsrule : There's also much less of it. The airspace around IGQ is probably safer than the airspace around MDW because the traffic volume is much lower. How di
101 sccutler : Again, you can make every road safer by simply closing it. As for the utility of an airport - well, I guess it's like any other part of infrastructur
102 mt99 : Are you serious? have you seen Chicago Parks in the Summer? Right.. and the question remains: "Who used Meigs?"
103 bravogolf : Can you say 16 inch softball? This is a very adult ball game with take no prisoners leagues.
104 Cubsrule : By your logic, shouldn't we pave over the whole of the City of Chicago and install runways?
105 777fan : I think we agree on that one - I never really believe KCGX was much of a magnet for business travel but rather a playground of sorts for private pilo
106 DiamondFlyer : Fine, then lets tear up a large majority of the roads in this country, because only a select few use them regularly. Same thing, different public tra
107 777fan : Sheesh, I never endorsed KCGX's demise and definitely though the manner in which it was done was pretty low-brow and heavy handed, but I think you'd
108 Post contains links N6238P : Well while this debate is great and all, how's about hearing from some politicians. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=7669
109 Post contains images 777fan : That's awesome. I'd be curious to see his plans to begin digging up Northerly Island now, so that the Meigs reincarnate will be ready in time to host
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