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LAN Perú To Launch Lima-Rosario  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
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LAN Perú S.A. continues to add more destinations to Argentina from the LIM Hub. Effective 12/01/10, LAN Perú S.A. will launch a new non-stop service between Lima, Perú and Rosario, Argentina (ROS). Flights will operate on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday utilizing the A-319. LAN Perú S.A. will also launch 4 weekly non-stop flights between Lima, Perú and Puerto Iguazú, Argentina on 01/16/2011.


LA 2779 LIM 01:25 ROS 07:10
LA 2778 ROS 09:20 LIM 11:30

Link in Spanish: http://www.lan.com/gc/asociados/proc...entre_lim_ros_sin_br_us/index.html

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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Fantastic news, for both LAN and Rosario.

I visited Rosario last week, and it is a truly beautiful city. The airport is somewhat overshadowed by neighbouring Buenos Aires, but lately, with the Copa and now LAN announcements the city will become much more connected to northern South America.

Impressive expansion by LP from LIM!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4276 times:
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SCL767,

Nice news. Thanks for sharing.
When you mentioned the data as 12/01/10, you want to say December 1st or January 12, 2011 ?

Interesting it comes on the same date CM will launch POA-PTY Daily



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4265 times:

great news, unfortunately the fares out of LIM are still high, as they are targeting mostly on connecting passengers.
In second wafe they should upgrade the 4 x weekly flights to daily ones.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4260 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
When you mentioned the data as 12/01/10, you want to say December 1st or January 12, 2011 ?

On December 1st LP will launch LIM-ROS.

November 1, 2010 LIM-MVD 5x weekly (will increase to a daily service next April)
December 1, 2010 LIM-ROS 5x weekly
January 05, 2011 LIM-IPC 2x weekly
January 16, 2011 LIM-IGR 4x weekly

Starting next March, LAN will operate SCL-JFK daily (B763)!


User currently offlinefaucett From Peru, joined Jul 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
November 1, 2010 LIM-MVD 5x weekly (will increase to a daily service next April)
December 1, 2010 LIM-ROS 5x weekly
January 05, 2011 LIM-IPC 2x weekly
January 16, 2011 LIM-IGR 4x weekly

I did not know Rosario was such a large market as to hold flights to LIM and PTY, besides the existing ones to POA and GRU, and obviously Buenos Aires.
My surprise. I wish the best to LA on these new destinations.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3898 times:
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Quoting faucett (Reply 5):
I did not know Rosario was such a large market as to hold flights to LIM and PTY, besides the existing ones to POA and GRU, and obviously Buenos Aires

There's no GRU-ROS. Only ROS-POA-BSB.

What happens is that, Rosario and Cordoba are mid-size markets but they are often not clear for all due to the huge size of Buenos Aires market. It's not difficult to fill one B73G and one A320, specially when Rosario is a city that speaks the same language (i.e. spanish) and do not have a lot of long haul or medium haul to other places in Latin America.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):

There's no GRU-ROS. Only ROS-POA-BSB.

What happens is that, Rosario and Cordoba are mid-size markets but they are often not clear for all due to the huge size of Buenos Aires market. It's not difficult to fill one B73G and one A320, specially when Rosario is a city that speaks the same language (i.e. spanish) and do not have a lot of long haul or medium haul to other places in Latin America.

And in the case of ROS and COR, LIM and PTY generally work as better hub locations for traffic to and from the major cities in North America (ie MIA, NYC, MEX, LAX). Also to keep in mind is the recent shift in domestic flights from EZE to AEP, which makes it so that connections to North America and Spain through Buenos Aires are more cumbersome and lengthy. LIM with LA/OW is now more competitive in that respect.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
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Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
Also to keep in mind is the recent shift in domestic flights from EZE to AEP, which makes it so that connections to North America and Spain through Buenos Aires are more cumbersome and lengthy. LIM with LA/OW is now more competitive in that respect.

This is why LAN uses a "multi-hub multi-destination" method. Plus, IBERIA will soon launch MAD-COR 3x weekly (A343). In the case of COR, LA/OW already provides connections to AKL/SYD, BOG, CCS, DFW, JFK/YYZ, MAD/CDG, MAD/FRA, MEX, MIA, etc. at SCL since LAN Chile operates SCL-COR 12x weekly. LIM-COR operates daily and provides convenient connections to BOG, CCS, CLO, CUN, GYE, JFK, LAX, MAD, MDE, MEX, MIA, PUJ, SFO, UIO etc. Also, 4M will actually increase frequency on the AEP-COR route to 33x weekly.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3666 times:
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Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
And in the case of ROS and COR, LIM and PTY generally work as better hub locations for traffic to and from the major cities in North America (ie MIA, NYC, MEX, LAX). Also to keep in mind is the recent shift in domestic flights from EZE to AEP, which makes it so that connections to North America and Spain through Buenos Aires are more cumbersome and lengthy. LIM with LA/OW is now more competitive in that respect

Perfect. COR and ROS have language, cultural and stronger economic ties with places such as other markets in latin America and United States major cities such as MIA, MCO and NYC. All TA and CM are doing is taking advantage of places where arirlines such as AR, JJ and even LA group do not offer better connections.



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User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
All TA and CM are doing is taking advantage of places where airlines such as AR, JJ and even LA group do not offer better connections

Exactly, a good example is the new LIM-MDZ flight (Mendoza, Argentina) operated by TA beginning November 27th.

Connections between Argentina and LIM are definitely improving a lot lately.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3600 times:
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Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 10):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
All TA and CM are doing is taking advantage of places where airlines such as AR, JJ and even LA group do not offer better connections

Exactly, a good example is the new LIM-MDZ flight (Mendoza, Argentina) operated by TA beginning November 27th.

LAN Airlines operates SCL-MDZ 3x daily (A320). Unlike LAN, TA offers limited connections at LIM, (primarily regional and Central American connections). For example, TA's only North American destination served from LIM is MEX. Whereas at SCL, LA offers daily connections to AKL/SYD, DFW, JFK, MAD/FRA, MEX, MIA etc. Connections to BOG, CCS, CDG, GYE, YYZ etc. are also available at SCL.


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
LAN Airlines operates SCL-MDZ 3x daily (A320). Unlike LAN, TA offers limited connections at LIM, (primarily regional and Central American connections). For example, TA's only North American destination served from LIM is MEX. Whereas at SCL, LA offers daily connections to AKL/SYD, DFW, JFK, MAD/FRA, MEX, MIA etc. Connections to BOG, CCS, CDG, GYE, YYZ etc. are also available at SCL

I was trying to point out the increasing destinations/frequencies from LIM to Argentina. There's no need to diminish TA and make promotion for LA at any chance, even if subtle. I think everyone is well aware of TA's and LA's strengths and weaknesses at their respective operations at LIM.

If I were to guess what the next destinations from LIM to Argentina in the long term would be (by LA or TA, I don't care) I'd say USH or BRC... just my two cents.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3536 times:
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Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 12):
I was trying to point out the increasing destinations/frequencies from LIM to Argentina. There's no need to diminish TA and make promotion for LA at any chance, even if subtle. I think everyone is well aware of TA's and LA's strengths and weaknesses at their respective operations at LIM.

Both airlines are growing at LIM. LP will also launch LIM-ASU 4x weekly. Other airlines are expanding services into LIM. AF may soon reinstate CDG-LIM. Argentina, in general is receiving more flights from Brazil and Chile, as well as Spain. PAL will soon launch SCL-COR, Sky will fly SCL-EZE, etc.

Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 12):
If I were to guess what the next destinations from LIM to Argentina in the long term would be (by LA or TA, I don't care) I'd say USH or BRC... just my two cents.

IMO, it will be LIM-SLA, (Aeropuerto Internacional de Salta).


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
AF may soon reinstate CDG-LIM.

as per my understanding (still not official) they will start with 4 weekly flights from March 2011



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):

What happens is that, Rosario and Cordoba are mid-size markets but they are often not clear for all due to the huge size of Buenos Aires market. It's not difficult to fill one B73G and one A320, specially when Rosario is a city that speaks the same language (i.e. spanish) and do not have a lot of long haul or medium haul to other places in Latin America.

The cultural ties between these places and Peru is a factor, but a marginal one in this case.

Its mostly economic and trade and not necessarily with Peru. Over the past 5 years or so these cities have had a bigger uptick in economic movement than Buenos Aires, largely due to the agriculture boom in terms of grain production. There is a strong premium market as a result - business to/from North America (largely with American/Canadian grain, seed, fertilizer, commodities trading and heavy equipment firms) and leisure from Argentinians in these regions. To give some perspective, Rosario's port handles about 80% of Argentina's grain exports.

And as mentioned before the whole AEP strategy brought on by AR has made EZE a much more limiting connection hub, and even if GRU had more flights it is too far east for good North American connections.


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
AF may soon reinstate CDG-LIM
Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
as per my understanding (still not official) they will start with 4 weekly flights from March 2011

It would be nice to see AF back at LIM, I flew LIM-CDG back in the day with a 744 and a stopover at UIO IIRC.

That would be a very aggressive move by AF-KL though, probably aimed at keeping LH out of LIM, since LIM would be the only destination in South America besides GRU which supports both AF and KL.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
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Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 16):
That would be a very aggressive move by AF-KL though, probably aimed at keeping LH out of LIM, since LIM would be the only destination in South America besides GRU which supports both AF and KL.

Yes, especially since LH will soon launch FRA-BOG. IMO, it would be a smart move by AF/KL, given that it would complement their existing services to BOG, UIO/GYE, LIM, SCL, etc. LIM-FRA is another route that LAN could eventually operate in the future.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 16):
It would be nice to see AF back at LIM, I flew LIM-CDG back in the day with a 744 and a stopover at UIO IIRC.

That would be a very aggressive move by AF-KL though, probably aimed at keeping LH out of LIM, since LIM would be the only destination in South America besides GRU which supports both AF and KL.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
Yes, especially since LH will soon launch FRA-BOG. IMO, it would be a smart move by AF/KL, given that it would complement their existing services to BOG, UIO/GYE, LIM, SCL, etc. LIM-FRA is another route that LAN could eventually operate in the future.

it would be more than great, so also the fares in eco would come a little bit down!
In generally I would think that it is a save move, as LIM has basically the complete year very high cargo loads what helps to have a basic income with the flights.

It would be perfect if AF would offer a early noon departure LIM-CDG and a red-eye CDG-LIM (similar IB is doing with the second flight they are offering on certain days of the week).

So lets cross fingers!

Also I am sure we will see soon LH back in Lim, my opinion is that they will be back for winter 2011/2012.



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User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
Also I am sure we will see soon LH back in Lim, my opinion is that they will be back for winter 2011/2012

Sadly, LH has no plans to return to LIM in the foreseeable future.

GIG is definitely a priority with 2016 Olympics/2014 World cup and more importantly the BR economy booming, RJ's oil bonanza, etc.

Regards,



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting DCAJet (Reply 19):
Sadly, LH has no plans to return to LIM in the foreseeable future.

well I am not so sure about this... well no idea if you have any deeper information about this... but the fact is that Lima has a big German and Swiss comunity + the market is totally different than 10 years ago... so it its not as low yield as before + LIM has a booming cargo market.

Just that you have an idea, on my last flight to Europe back in March with KL B777-200 they had 26 tons of freight in the belly.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3305 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
Yes, especially since LH will soon launch FRA-BOG. IMO, it would be a smart move by AF/KL, given that it would complement their existing services to BOG, UIO/GYE, LIM, SCL, etc. LIM-FRA is another route that LAN could eventually operate in the future.

it would be more than great, so also the fares in eco would come a little bit down!

IMO, fares would remain the same since AF/KL would want their yields to remain high.


Quoting DCAJet (Reply 19):
Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
Also I am sure we will see soon LH back in Lim, my opinion is that they will be back for winter 2011/2012

Sadly, LH has no plans to return to LIM in the foreseeable future.

As LAN adds more destinations at the LIM hub, more intercontinental flights will be possible. LIM-FRA and LIM-IAD are perfect candidates for LP to eventually operate with the B787s.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
As LAN adds more destinations at the LIM hub, more intercontinental flights will be possible. LIM-FRA and LIM-IAD are perfect candidates for LP to eventually operate with the B787s.

I stronly belive that LIM-IAD could be a strong canidate for the next destination in the US as per my understanding it was already a strong fight between SFO and IAD and finally SFO won.
In case of IAD, they could gain a big bunch of the IAD - Bolivia traffic, as Washington DC has the biggest Bolivian community in the US.

regarding nonstop LIM-FRA flight, I do not think so at least not before connecting MXP and LHR via MAD, I strong belive next european steps will be EZE-MAD-MXP and BOG-MAD-LHR making the MAD hub even bigger.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
As LAN adds more destinations at the LIM hub, more intercontinental flights will be possible. LIM-FRA and LIM-IAD are perfect candidates for LP to eventually operate with the B787s.

I stronly belive that LIM-IAD could be a strong canidate for the next destination in the US as per my understanding it was already a strong fight between SFO and IAD and finally SFO won.
In case of IAD, they could gain a big bunch of the IAD - Bolivia traffic, as Washington DC has the biggest Bolivian community in the US.

It's great that LAN launched LIM-SFO this year as it complements services to LAX. LAN will eventually launch SCL-LIM-IAD, however LP would need to increase frequency on the LIM-LPB-VVI-LIM and LIM-VVI-LPB-LIM routes.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
regarding nonstop LIM-FRA flight, I do not think so at least not before connecting MXP and LHR via MAD, I strong belive next european steps will be EZE-MAD-MXP and BOG-MAD-LHR making the MAD hub even bigger.

LAN can already do this at MAD if they wanted too; however some routes to Europe WILL eventually operate as non-stop services.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
however LP would need to increase frequency on the LIM-LPB-VVI-LIM and LIM-VVI-LPB-LIM routes.

I agree with that, and I am pretty sure that they have in plans to split up in soon time the LPB and VVI operations... it is really ot if you fly LPB-LIM you have to go certain times per week via VVI...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
LAN can already do this at MAD if they wanted too; however some routes to Europe WILL eventually operate as non-stop services.

yes they will operate some destinations as nonstop but in first place they will and have to consolidate the MAD operation.



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25 LipeGIG : Perfect. I forget about this one. Not the best when we say about COR or ROS. Its a kind of back track when compared to LIM. And if LA covers the mark
26 Avianca : I could not agree more, I put a really big ? behind why LH still not reinstalled the flights to RIO. Beside they would do also great on cargo + all t
27 LipeGIG : The only reason they are not there, i believe is how they fear to replace the 33% traffic from Rio nowadays on their current Sao Paulo 12x weekly fli
28 SCL767 : Also, LAN would like to increase frequency and capacity on both the GYE-MAD and LIM-MAD routes. LAN does not operate SCL-ROS, but at SCL, LAN still r
29 Avianca : I think one destinaton out of LIM which is overdue is PTY, even the hub in this case would be LIM and not PTY I am sure they could fill up a daily A3
30 LipeGIG : And they still lack a flight to GIG non-stop ! It seems their focus is to take advantage of Rio together with Sao Paulo. Big mistake (in my view)
31 SJOtoLIR : The intended LP LIM-ROS may emulate the current LA LIM-COR 7x weekly, in terms of the progress of their frequencies and demand of passengers. Time wi
32 SCL767 : PTY will receive LAN from both Colombia and LIM. The LIM-PTY route will complement LATAM's Cargo operations, thus LAN may deploy the B763 on the rout
33 Avianca : regarding local traffic from Peru I do not see it necessary to deploy the B.767-300 on the route. But on other side there might be do this move in or
34 LipeGIG : As they are still deciding the best way to go with the merger, i would say LP plans for Brazil will need to focus on themselves and not on JJ. I don'
35 SCL767 : Hopefully the merger will be completed by the end of this year and implemented during the first quarter of next year. LA/JJ already codeshare on each
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