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Delta Applies For MEM-MEX; Makes LAX-PVR Seasonal  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Delta today filed with the DOT for permission to commence seasonal Saturday only service between Memphis, Tennessee and Mexico City, Mexico. Delta plans on utilizing A320 aircraft on the route effective January 8th 2011.
OST-2010-TBA.

Additionally the carrier also filed with the DOT to amend its existing LAX-PVR authority to seasonal rather than on a year-round basis. No dates for the proposed schedule adjustments provided.
Order 2010-3-12


The Memphis application is a bit odd in my opinion. Mexico City is not a "seasonal" destination, and even if it was a January 8th start up misses the strong Christmas and New Years traffic.


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7662 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Delta
today filed with the DOT for permission to commence seasonal Saturday only service between Memphis, Tennessee and Mexico City, Mexico. Delta plans on utilizing A320 aircraft on the route effective January 8th 2011.
OST-2010-TBA.

Subsequent to approval Delta will apply to delay the launch of MEM-MEX.   

Another dart thrown at the board, eh?   


User currently offlineCentre From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 1):
ubsequent to approval Delta will apply to delay the launch of MEM-MEX.   

Another dart thrown at the board, eh?   

You got to it before me 
A typical Delta game.
The DOT shouldn't take them seriously anymore. Because:

Additionally the carrier also filed with the DOT to amend its existing LAX-PVR authority to seasonal rather than on a year-round basis. No dates for the proposed schedule adjustments provided.
Order 2010-3-12

[Edited 2010-09-10 09:12:27]


I have cut 4 times, and it's still short.
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Glad to see MEM getting more service.  

Wish they could keep SFO.  



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The Memphis application is a bit odd in my opinion. Mexico City is not a "seasonal" destination, and even if it was a January 8th start up misses the strong Christmas and New Years traffic.

It somewhat is, but I keep in mind that they already serve MEX daily from SLC, DTW, and ATL and soon from MSP. Often airlines actually cancel or reduce flights anymore around christmas (Delta is doing so and NW did it for quite some time after the economy tanked). MEM is probably to help relieve the need for connections in ATL.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Saturday-only service to MEX seems odd. It would make more sense if they did weekday until it would seem.

MEX is not like the Mexico beach markets that are more appropriate for Saturday-only service.

Quoting Centre (Reply 2):
You got to it before me
A typical Delta game.
The DOT shouldn't take them seriously anymore. Because:

Additionally the carrier also filed with the DOT to amend its existing LAX-PVR authority to seasonal rather than on a year-round basis. No dates for the proposed schedule adjustments provided.
Order 2010-3-12

Why should the DOT not take them seriously? DL is allowed to apply and amend such routes.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 1):
Subsequent to approval Delta will apply to delay the launch of MEM-MEX.

Another dart thrown at the board, eh?

While I agree that DL is one of the worst when it comes to this, see numerous markets like SAN-HNL etc. Atleast they are trying it, and if it doesn't work it doesn't work, you don't get anywhere in business without taking some risk.



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User currently offlinemfe777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

Just throwing this crazy idea out there.... what if Delta did a daily MEM-MFE-MEX adding MFE-MEX as a tag on to their 3x daily regional jet service from MEM-MFE. Continental used to do this for several years as IAH-MFE-MEX, sometimes even with a 737 I believe. There is a healthy amount of O&D between MEX and MFE, but ever since CO withdrew that service you have to fly to Houston or Dallas and then backtrack to MEX.

I think that DL could fill a daily CRJ from MFE-MEX if it carried Memphis and McAllen originating pax..... just an idea.

Also, DL just updgraded the MFE-MEM service to include larger CRJs with first class service, and I heard the route is doing well!


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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
Wish they could keep SFO

Agreed! I haven't taken this flight since they made it a red-eye, but the daytime flight was always 100% full, every time I took it.



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
Wish they could keep SFO.

Apparently they can. This flight has been seasonal over the past several years, and while it goes away effective October 1, Delta is selling tickets on a nonstop MEM-SFO service starting June 9, 2011.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Interesting. Northwest announced a MEM-MEX service about five or more years ago but never started the flights. They also operated a short-lived MEM-MTY service.

User currently offlinepapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

People I believe the filing was for MEM-CUN not MEX!

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6958 times:
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Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):

While I agree that DL is one of the worst when it comes to this, see numerous markets like SAN-HNL etc

This forum has been flooded with DL new route announcements and subsequent ones that ask for a delay. HND? PEK?

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 7):
what if Delta did a daily MEM-MFE-MEX

Do they fly Saabs? Maybe they can get a good deal from AA.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting papatango (Reply 11):
People I believe the filing was for MEM-CUN not MEX!

Delta already flies MEM-CUN.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6851 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 10):
Interesting. Northwest announced a MEM-MEX service about five or more years ago but never started the flights. They also operated a short-lived MEM-MTY service.

which was then transferred to DTW-MTY

Quoting papatango (Reply 11):
People I believe the filing was for MEM-CUN not MEX!

MEM-CUN already operates and has operated for years and years now.



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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

Out of curiosity, has AM ever applied for MEX-MEM service?


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User currently offlinephllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 4):
It somewhat is, but I keep in mind that they already serve MEX daily from SLC, DTW, and ATL and soon from MSP. Often airlines actually cancel or reduce flights anymore around christmas (Delta is doing so and NW did it for quite some time after the economy tanked). MEM is probably to help relieve the need for connections in ATL.

MEM-MEX is also good for feeding people to the Mexican Riviera destinations of ACA, SJD, ZIH, PVR via AeroMexico without backtracking to ATL.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting Centre (Reply 2):
Quoting fxramper (Reply 1):
ubsequent to approval Delta will apply to delay the launch of MEM-MEX.

Another dart thrown at the board, eh?


You got to it before me

Grow up guys.  
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Why should the DOT not take them seriously? DL is allowed to apply and amend such routes.

I'd love to know the answer to that as well. What DL is doing with their route awards, while perhaps more unorthodox than what other carriers are doing, is not illegal, and I have yet to see anyone prove that they are doing anything wrong. They are acting within the law, yet people are refusing to see that. It's a big deal on this board because people have chosen to make it a big deal and blow most of these filings way out of proportion. Unfortunately, some of those actively participating are employees of competing airlines and should know better than to be posting disparaging remarks about a competitor on an online forum.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 12):
This forum has been flooded with DL new route announcements and subsequent ones that ask for a delay. HND? PEK?

And UA's delaying of SFO-CAN ever since being awarded the route? Or the fact that before leasing it to US, UA sat on an IAD-GIG frequency for years and operated the flight for about 1-2 months/year over the last couple of years? And US's delaying of PHL-PEK until they were forced to give the route award back? And AA's applying to delay the startup of ORD-PEK or their application to allow for two of the ORD-PEK frequencies to be converted to seasonal use? No one disputes that DL has asked for more from the DOT in recent years in terms of route authorities and that some have not worked out. However, DL is far from alone in requesting extensions or asking that routes be made seasonal.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Atleast they are trying it, and if it doesn't work it doesn't work, you don't get anywhere in business without taking some risk.

On this I can agree with Burnsie. I don't quite understand the extreme cynicism from some as soon as DL announces a new route. Nor do I quite understand all of those who come out of the woodwork and immediately wish for the new route's demise. If they were just sitting idly by and being conservative, people would bitch. They experiment and try new routes, and people bitch. I don't quite understand it.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 1):

Another dart thrown at the board, eh?

yes Delta is adding a link between two SkyTeam hubs......this one is truly out of left field.  
Quoting fxramper (Reply 12):
PEK?

Can you name 1 US carrier that has not asked for some kind or exception to China? No you can't.
Need a list?
AA 1 year on ORD-PEK
UA 2(?) years on SFO-CAN, moving IAD-PEK to IAD-NRT-PEK during the winter
US 2 years on PHL-PEK only to put it back into the pool
CO has rights to make EWR-PEK/PVG 5w during the winter season.

and with HND you can pretty much bet that if the DOT give Delta the green light AA will jump on that ship too. (but it isn't like its hard to understand starting a new route in the middle of the winter is a good way to lose money)

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):

Grow up guys.

but its so much fun to talk out of our ass and throw crap against the wall without thinking.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):

I'd love to know the answer to that as well. What DL is doing with their route awards, while perhaps more unorthodox than what other carriers are doing, is not illegal, and I have yet to see anyone prove that they are doing anything wrong. They are acting within the law, yet people are refusing to see that. It's a big deal on this board because people have chosen to make it a big deal and blow most of these filings way out of proportion. Unfortunately, some of those actively participating are employees of competing airlines and should know better than to be posting disparaging remarks about a competitor on an online forum.

              

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):

And UA's delaying of SFO-CAN ever since being awarded the route? Or the fact that before leasing it to US, UA sat on an IAD-GIG frequency for years and operated the flight for about 1-2 months/year over the last couple of years? And US's delaying of PHL-PEK until they were forced to give the route award back? And AA's applying to delay the startup of ORD-PEK or their application to allow for two of the ORD-PEK frequencies to be converted to seasonal use? No one disputes that DL has asked for more from the DOT in recent years in terms of route authorities and that some have not worked out. However, DL is far from alone in requesting extensions or asking that routes be made seasonal.

Don't forget CO also has rights to make both EWR-PEK/PVG 5w if needed.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):

On this I can agree with Burnsie. I don't quite understand the extreme cynicism from some as soon as DL announces a new route. Nor do I quite understand all of those who come out of the woodwork and immediately wish for the new route's demise. If they were just sitting idly by and being conservative, people would bitch. They experiment and try new routes, and people bitch. I don't quite understand it.

Tis being an arm chair CEO. bunch of em here.

[Edited 2010-09-10 14:48:52]


yep.
User currently offlineAviacsa737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

I just cant understand how LAX-anywhere in Mexico especially PVR could be down graded especially with MX gone. CA and in particular Los Angeles, is one of the largest hispanic areas in the US, and have seen stats thats show plenty of people fly to Mexico in this area and yet MEM, which clearly has much less of an O&D market than the LA area or California gets the application? I didnt even think MEM was that big of a hub...oh well. looks like ill have to make due with little choice to mexico at LAX now that MX is gone.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10654 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 12):
This forum has been flooded with DL new route announcements and subsequent ones that ask for a delay. HND? PEK?

The only thing this forum has been flooded with are disparaging posts about DL's applications for routes. Seems they forget about their own favorite airlines doing the same thing.  



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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

This is fantastic news for MEM! If delta actually decides to fly a route as they propose it. DL still has some interest in MEM, you would never see them starting CVG-MEX right now. Its really good to see MEM surviving alot stronger than most people thought.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 4):
It somewhat is, but I keep in mind that they already serve MEX daily from SLC, DTW, and ATL and soon from MSP

JFK offers service as well. Delta use to fly LAX-MEX until they voluntarily gave up the rights to fly it as well. The service is Saturday only so I'm guessing they are going after connecting leisure passengers who don't mind connecting so there will be lots of feed and vacationers who will connect in MEX to AM destinations. I doubt this flight will make tons of money but it could do well enough to survive. Its an unknown, time will tell, but its exciting for MEM and is a good sign.

With Mexicana GONE even I'm surprised to see this cut now and because of HISTORY i have little faith in DL at LAX long term. It must have been so horrible that even with Mexicana gone they still want to do this. If i had to guess I would bet they were gonna cut LAX-PVR but Mexicana out made them go seasonal. Knock me over I'm so shocked that delta has once again failed on an international flight out of LAX, this is far from the first and wont be the last disaster to be canceled at LAX for Delta.

Less action by the Delta Defenders and Anti-Memphis leagues than usual   but i have faith they will show up. I had to comment on another LAX international disaster for Delta   I just had to


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 18):
yes Delta is adding a link between two SkyTeam hubs......this one is truly out of left field.

As a Saturday-only service, it is really weird.



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User currently offlinem404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5862 times:
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Here is a story from local MEM station reporting on efforts by Memphis Mayor Wharton on efforts
to build Mexico City ties that appeared 6/16/10

http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news...er-For/9oRM_hi6JkyvImzwHhXUHQ.cspx

and was probably partially responsible for the filing.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

I would think a daily CR9 or E175 would be more appropriate but congrats to MEM.

25 mayor : It's not necessary for DL to use their own metal on these routes out of LAX as they have a Skyteam partner in Aeromexico that can do that for them.
26 Post contains images deltal1011man : Not really, It is MEM and ATL does have 4-5 daily to MEX right down the road. Start off with sat only and build it up. MEM-GRU would be a shocker, ME
27 laca773 : I don't remember the last time there has only been one single daily flight between LAX-PVR-LAX. There's always been at least 3-4 on a daily basis. DL
28 mayor : Thanks. Did not know that.
29 AVLAirlineFreq : I've always been mystified that MEM-SFO is only seasonal. It just seems strange that you can have a hub in the middle of the US without service to a
30 Post contains images Aviacsa737 : Could be i suppose, though i personally dont belive that safety problem is real, i feel it was a purely politically motivated move by the FAA. Of cou
31 Post contains images peanuts : When you have no papers, you walk, you don't fly. Also, I bet Western Union is a better friend to Mexicans in LA then any airline at LAX. Why go back
32 UALWN : That's not how things tend to go. Start off with 3-4 flights a week and then build it up to daily? OK. But a Sat only service is targeting a market t
33 2travel2know2 : MEM-MEX looks like a way to improve yields for ATL-MEX-ATL Saturdays while flying the low-yielders and award passengers via MEM. MEM-GRU will be a sh
34 burnsie28 : Keep in mind that during parts of the year, many of NW's routes to the destination resorts were Saturday only service even SJU was Saturday only, so S
35 UALWN : Except that MEX is not a resort destination.
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