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MO'L Talks Sense - Ryanair Must Change In Future  
User currently offlineBlythy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9963 times:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...2/ryanair-move-away-from-low-fares

He also talks bollocks about lidl not being seen as cheap and low quality, but I'll let it pass.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

I think (and I can't believe I'm saying this) that O'Leary makes a lot of sense here. If you look at Southwest, there are people who swore that they would never fly to LGA, but there they are. And they seem to be attracting a pretty significant business clientèle to the point where they now offer Business Select fares and rumors even stated that they were looking at a business class cabin. The fact is that airlines change and evolve over time, and I don't see why Ryanair would be different.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9765 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
I think (and I can't believe I'm saying this) that O'Leary makes a lot of sense here.

I think MOL has always made a lot of sense. We have an example of that right now, with the single pilot issue.

When MOL says it, people dismiss him as an idiot. When Embraer says it, people takes the idea seriously.

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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
I think (and I can't believe I'm saying this) that O'Leary makes a lot of sense here.

Almost to the point that I was beginning to wonder if this was the same person who once said he wanted to be able to offer free fares and he'd make all the revenue from extras. Maybe MOL has realized that he can't sustain a 400 aircraft f fleet (his aim before quitting) on the student, stag parties and holiday crowd and somehow he'll need to attract more of the business traveler.

While, what he says makes an awful lot of sense FR will need to be very careful if they change the business model. They are known for dirt cheap fares but everything from check in onwards costs extra. If the 40 euro fare is unsustainable then increasing the fares but maintaining all the extra fees will be a tricky balancing act.

Good luck to them.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

I agree. MOL certainly isn't an idiot ( otherwise how could he run a profitable airline ? ). He himself knows and acknowledges his publicity stunts. This, it seems is a very rare frank interview.


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9545 times:

MOL actually making common sense for a change! Miracles do happen!

I would suggest several factors may be leading to the decision, besides what he mentioned already.

Oil and therefore fuel costs are going to go up. That means that fares will have to go up to continue to make a profit. That is going to affect a LCC like Ryanair much more than a middle level or 'legacy' airline.

Labor costs are going to go up. A number of the Eastern European countries becoming part of the EU he serves and get a significant part of his staffing are going to see costs of living rising up to Western European standards. I suspect many EU countries are going to have to raise taxes to pay for their social welfare and medical programs, thus adding to labor costs. To retain experienced staff including the cockpit, the cabin, the CSR's, IT, management and MX staff, he will have to offer reasonable longivity raises, contributions to retirement benefits and the like thus meaing higher labor costs.

EU Rules costs. The costs to cover rules as to passanger rights, accomidations as to handicapped persons, labor laws and others will probably become stricter, meaing higher costs more equal to mid service and legacy airlines.

Higher taxes and fees by countries and airports to cover operational costs, enviromental control, security costs and the need for some countries to raise more tax revenues to pay for their social programs for politicans to save their butts, will have to mean higher prices.

Hit limits of what other charges he can have. Many here would say that Ryanair, along with other LCC's, have lowered the standards of service or made a true cost of a flight much too much of a surprise. There is growing resentment of charging obscene rates for a coffee or soft drink or a snack, baggage fees, making people carry there bags to the a/c and so on.

Cost of aircraft and their mx. Those are continuing to go up much faster than real inflation over the years, you have to pay more for that so adds even more to fares.

Eventually, he will have to offer something that majors can't or won't offer to keep the passangers. From slightly lower fares, going to minor destinations (as arelaady does), higher frequency, service or charges more like major/legacy carriers and so on.


User currently offlineBlythy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

I think he's seen a big opportunity if you consider an airline like emirates, which is essentially a full service airline run like a LCC.

If you look at BA, which has very poor labour relations, because they gave their cabin crew anything and everything to begin, and they have to be a bit more realistic, they're finding it difficult to cut their staff bill. If ryanair launched a full service brand (they really couldn't do it under the ryanair name imo), they could pay their staff a small premium over the ryanair wages, and still be way under the BA rate. I think ryanair are in a strong financial position, and are fairly well placed to take advantage should they move into a full service airline. Sayingthat, they could offer a 'half service' airline, and create their own niche.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9141 times:
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Quoting ltbewr (Reply 5):
MOL actually making common sense for a change! Miracles do happen!

When has he not talked sense?

Standing passengers? It happens on trains. It happens on subways - the tube, underground, whatever you want to call it.

It happens at the theater. SRO doesn't mean "sold right out" - it means "standing room only." Some of Shakespeare's plays at London's Globe Theatre - for which many of the audience stand - are twice as long or more as many Ryanair flights.

Pay to use the toilet? That was introduced in London in the 1850's. It's where the euphemism "to spend a penny" comes from.

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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 3):
If the 40 euro fare is unsustainable then increasing the fares but maintaining all the extra fees will be a tricky balancing act.

Very much agreed. FR could burn its fingers there. If they review their fares up, they should then "offer" 1 checked-in luggage and credit card fees.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 5):
EU Rules costs. The costs to cover rules as to passanger rights, accomidations as to handicapped persons, labor laws and others will probably become stricter, meaing higher costs more equal to mid service and legacy airlines.

Agreed.

To that one may also add:

- airline collapse insurance (FR is unlikely to collapse any time soon, so such fee should be very low on FR)

- force majeure insurance, in view of the volcano mess last April. The way they treated their grounded passengers then was totally unacceptable.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 5):
making people carry there bags to the a/c and so on.

Could this put in jeopardy the current short turnaround times?

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
Standing passengers? It happens on trains. It happens on subways - the tube, underground, whatever you want to call it.

Not so comparable as flying 1, 2, let alone 3-4hrs. On trains and tubes, not to mention busses, frequent stops mean that you may have a chance to complete part of your journey seated.

Another difference is necessity. We have to work every business day, so we have to put up with crowded trains, tubes and busses when travelling in the daily peaks, just because we have to work.

But do we have to fly to PMI, ALC, AGP or VOL every weekend or month? Well, probably not to the same extend.

If you make flying such an unpleasant experience, you may actually deter people from flying with you.


Standing passengers may also tend to move and tour the aircraft way more than if seated (in reasonable rather than comfortable conditions as this is FR, yet seated anyway). That may affect the aircraft balance, and/or favour class-dodging (namely standing passengers taking a seat, without paying an upgrade)

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
Pay to use the toilet? That was introduced in London in the 1850's. It's where the euphemism "to spend a penny" comes from.

What if a passenger gets sick and doesn't have the right coin? Will we see passengers throwing up, pissing or even shitting in the cabin?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8857 times:
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Quoting SR4ever (Reply 8):
Not so comparable as flying 1, 2, let alone 3-4hrs.

I travelled more than that, standing up, on a train. And, as noted, I have stood for more than three hours to watch a play.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 8):
If you make flying such an unpleasant experience, you may actually deter people from flying with you.

Maybe. But Ryanair hasn't found that yet.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 8):
What if a passenger gets sick and doesn't have the right coin? Will we see passengers throwing up, pissing or even shitting in the cabin?

Have you never seen a passenger throwing up in the cabin? I have. Why else are there sick bags?

As for the rest, if someone is ill, then it may happen, but when they are well most people have more self control.

You may not like his ideas, you can throw mud at them as much as you like, but the point is simply that they are feasible.

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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8682 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
I travelled more than that, standing up, on a train. And, as noted, I have stood for more than three hours to watch a play.

Does it mean that anyone should also undergo such conditions?

I know people who have to travel standing for 3-4hrs on crowded trains. In the end, they understandably rant at it, and try to avoid it as much as they can, even if means travelling less.

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Maybe. But Ryanair hasn't found that yet.

Well I have some Italian friends who used to live and work with me in Luxemburg, and who have either moved back to Northern Italy or relocated to Switzerland. And guess what one of the main reasons was? Well , FR, with which they went fed up.

Fed up with a 2-hr bus journey to HHN, sometimes more as the Road leg beyond the Motorway leg is not good at all in Winter days

Fed up with walking for 300m from the Coach Station to the The Terminal at HHN, not sheltered, often while raining cats and dogs, or even through 30cm of snow.

Fed up with the poor handling of passengers at HHN, with cramped boarding areas.

Fed up with the delays. Yes, the FR experience can include 1-2hrs delays, given that their diagrams are really stretched, with no recovery margins at all.

Fed up with stealth charges always on the rise.

Fed up with tighter enforcement of luggage rules.

Fed up with the boarding mess, as priority passengers tend to fight a bit with each other to get their preferred seat.

Fed up with being disturbed by a sometimes agressive in-flight pay service and promotional announcements.

Fed up with mediocre cabin cleanliness. Sometimes more a flying bin than a flying sardin-tin.

Fed up with taking the blame by the staff whenever something goes seriously wrong.

Those who now live in Switzerland drive or travel by train to Northern Italy, and even though the end-to-end journey isn't that shorter to what they experienced in their Luxemburg days, they enjoy way better travelling conditions.

FR should be more considerate towards such frequent flyers, even though it does not have any FFP.

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Why else are there sick bags?

Quite many of these bags to tend to be missing in FR cabins, from my own experience.

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
but the point is simply that they are feasible.

Let's see what certification authorities will say...


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1720 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
And, as noted, I have stood for more than three hours to watch a play.

Even if the play and the comedians were "moving", I doubt the floor was...

 


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
I think MOL has always made a lot of sense. We have an example of that right now, with the single pilot issue.

When MOL says it, people dismiss him as an idiot. When Embraer says it, people takes the idea seriously.

mariner

= A lot of people on A.Net bash MOL - most of them don't run one of the world's most successful airline. I have never flown Ryanair, and have no intentions to doing so. I can separate that with a respect for the way MOL conducts business.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
I travelled more than that, standing up, on a train.

Was this a one-off event or you did it routinely? Did you enjoy it? Are you willing to do the same on every flight you take? I am not.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10):
Does it mean that anyone should also undergo such conditions?

Anyone willing to do it should be allowed to do it. The real question here is whether anyone should be allowed to determine this on someone else's behalf, and the answer to that is no.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10):
Well I have some Italian friends who used to live and work with me in Luxemburg, and who have either moved back to Northern Italy or relocated to Switzerland. And guess what one of the main reasons was? Well , FR, with which they went fed up.

I guess they were not FR's target market. Strange to think anyone would move to a different city just because of air service though.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10):
Fed up with a 2-hr bus journey to HHN, sometimes more as the Road leg beyond the Motorway leg is not good at all in Winter days

Fed up with walking for 300m from the Coach Station to the The Terminal at HHN, not sheltered, often while raining cats and dogs, or even through 30cm of snow.

Fed up with the poor handling of passengers at HHN, with cramped boarding areas.

Fed up with the delays. Yes, the FR experience can include 1-2hrs delays, given that their diagrams are really stretched, with no recovery margins at all.

Fed up with stealth charges always on the rise.

Fed up with tighter enforcement of luggage rules.

Fed up with the boarding mess, as priority passengers tend to fight a bit with each other to get their preferred seat.

Fed up with being disturbed by a sometimes agressive in-flight pay service and promotional announcements.

Fed up with mediocre cabin cleanliness. Sometimes more a flying bin than a flying sardin-tin.

Fed up with taking the blame by the staff whenever something goes seriously wrong.

7 million pax and counting. . not fed up, or at least, have decided they rather be a bit annoyed by FR than shell out more money.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10):
Those who now live in Switzerland drive or travel by train to Northern Italy, and even though the end-to-end journey isn't that shorter to what they experienced in their Luxemburg days, they enjoy way better travelling conditions.

FR should be more considerate towards such frequent flyers, even though it does not have any FFP.

FR should stick to it's highly popular business model, and make changes as it sees fit. If that means attracting a more affluent part of society then so be it, otherwise they should continue doing what millions of Europeans have rewarded them for, that is, safe, reliable and affordable air travel.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 13):
Was this a one-off event or you did it routinely? Did you enjoy it? Are you willing to do the same on every flight you take? I am not.

I'm sure I wouldn't either, but if it's a short hop and a huge bargain, then I would consider.



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
Anyone willing to do it should be allowed to do it. The real question here is whether anyone should be allowed to determine this on someone else's behalf, and the answer to that is no.

Well, safety regulations will have to be drawn and enforced.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6280 times:
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Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10):
Does it mean that anyone should also undergo such conditions?

No. I did it by choice.

No one is forced to fly Ryanair, there's no law that you must. You can easy choose another airline.

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12480 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

I think this is a massive risk for FR. Its success has been built on the fact that it's not a "normal" airline; it has made the rules as it has gone along, with huge success and I'm certainly one to salute the way it has changed people's behaviour about air travel. But that is FR's forte. Once it loses that and moves into the realm of carriers which offer more than just the minimum, it is in unchartered territory - and territory already occupied by carriers (one of which partly owned by FR!) which will be going out of their way to make life as difficult as possible for them.

To me, it's a bit like the "New Coke" debacle about twenty years back, now widely regarded as one of the biggest business blunders ever. The difference there was, of course, that no one forced Coke to take that step; here, FR feels forced by circumstances to make thee changes it proposes to make. I would never want to be the one to say "it'll fail", but I do feel that there is so much competition in the industry that any move out of FR's comfort zone puts it in the cross hairs of other carriers and these are carriers which have already cuts their own costs, largely to meet the challenge from FR. These are carriers with an established reputation, who can be relied on when things go wrong, who offer connections and basically do all the things that "normal" airlines do; the more FR moves itself in that direction, the more it "complicates" and dilutes its product - and the more it adds to its costs. Do you see other carriers wanting to interline with or co-operate with FR? No; they will want (within the limits of EU Competition Law) to make things as difficult as possible for FR and many will see this change as FR's Achilles heel, which they will want to spike with a poisoned umbrella ...


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

One of the conditions for keeping the low cost advantage that FR enjoys is to keep expanding, hence hiring new pilots, FAs, etc whose low entry salaries lower the average. MOL seems to be thinking that FR will run out of places to expand to sooner rather than later. When this happens, and if nothing is done, costs will increase (employees get more senior and salaries rise), while income will stagnate (no more expansion). Note that this effect is negligible in an established legacy carrier: in any given year, the most senior people retire, other employees get more senior, and new hires replace those who retire, with a net average salary increase very close to zero.

FR's model (like that of many other LCCs) is predicated on continuous expansion, and hence, unsustainable in the long run. They will have to change.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
7 million pax and counting. . not fed up, or at least, have decided they rather be a bit annoyed by FR than shell out more money.

A fellow member contacted me and informed of the typo above. . 73 million +, not just 7. Sorry about that!



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
When Embraer says it, people takes the idea seriously.



MOL must be taken seriously with this comment. I don't think that FR could evolve into a serious carrier without changing it way of doing business. I know he has floated ideas that are somewhat, no absolutely beyond comprehension, but with him saying that he won't be in charge and they need someone else to run the ship, MOL is obviously thinking about retirement.

He obviously has seen what could be the light and thinks that more money could be made with changing the way FR does business. They might not remove all the fees if any but they will give more options to the business traveller who is willing to pay for more convenience then for just rock bottom fares.



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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
Anyone willing to do it should be allowed to do it. The real question here is whether anyone should be allowed to determine this on someone else's behalf, and the answer to that is no.

Most mainline coach services do not allow standees. Some railway operators don't, either, on their mainline services. This issue is also addressed in part by public transportation regulations. So, yes, there are already restirctions to the "individual right to travel long distances standing".

And I am pretty sure that certification authorities will thoroughly scrutinise any application by FR to increase aircraft capacity by replacing some seats with standing lots.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
I guess they were not FR's target market. Strange to think anyone would move to a different city just because of air service though.

Well, people tend to build or rebuild their lives taking into account transport options.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
7 million pax and counting. . not fed up, or at least, have decided they rather be a bit annoyed by FR than shell out more money.
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
otherwise they should continue doing what millions of Europeans have rewarded them for, that is, safe, reliable and affordable air travel.

The issue :

- is whether this is sustainable in the longer run, and more particularly how far can penny-pinching go on.

- how robust your client base is, if you always and only reply with the "low fares" excuse to passengers ranting at worsening travelling conditions.

- how long you can ignore frequent customers and focus on more occasional customers.

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
No one is forced to fly Ryanair, there's no law that you must. You can easy choose another airline.

Not always, especially when FR has driven competitors out of the market, using sometimes very questionable tricks.

Some of my friends also got trapped with the rising stealth charges. And also with unstable timetables.

I myself fly FR occasionally, especially in winter days to enjoy some 1-2 days of daylight in Spain. But I never, never embark into them if the return fare (including taxes, priority boarding, credit card fees and check-in fees, as well as the coach ride LUX-HHN) is in excess of EUR 80. It isn't just worth it.

Still, FR has again changed its winter timetable on HHN-ALC, meaning that I won't be able to spend a weekend there. Pity, as thanks (and really thanks to FR), I made friends there, whom I won't be able to visit as last winter 

Just too volatile really, a bit too much in my view to be the leading Airline of Europe.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5042 times:
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Quoting SR4ever (Reply 21):
Not always, especially when FR has driven competitors out of the market, using sometimes very questionable tricks.

Given that Ryanair flies to some very unlikely airports,where few others fly, I can't think who they have driven off. I'm sure you'll think of someone.  

It remains about choice. Few European airports are that far from other, larger European airports with more choice. If Ryanair is more convenient for you - or cheaper - that's your choice.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 21):
But I never, never embark into them if the return fare (including taxes, priority boarding, credit card fees and check-in fees, as well as the coach ride LUX-HHN) is in excess of EUR 80. It isn't just worth it.

€80 is a totally arbitrary figure on your part - again, your choice.

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4942 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 21):
Most mainline coach services do not allow standees. Some railway operators don't, either, on their mainline services.

Sure, the operator permitting.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 21):
- is whether this is sustainable in the longer run, and more particularly how far can penny-pinching go on.

- how robust your client base is, if you always and only reply with the "low fares" excuse to passengers ranting at worsening travelling conditions.

- how long you can ignore frequent customers and focus on more occasional customers.

Only time will tell if their business model will continue sustainable. It certainly has been thus far.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7162 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Basically FR is moving back to a place where EZY moved to about two to three years ago, and where GO started - a friendly low cost carrier, serving principal airports, as that is where the volume is.

FR is a well run airline, that I don't really like flying.

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
, I can't think who they have driven off. I'm sure you'll think of someone.

Without question, but with the greatest respect mariner, as I agree with 99% of what you have said above, FR is a very predatory airline, and drives carriers off routes. There are countless examples of this.

A lot of examples of this are in Ireland, as FR protects its home base very carefully, but here are some I can think of immediatly.

Go-Fly

Kicked go off DUB EDI and DUB GLA, by matching capacity and fare reductions, and launching EDI.

EasyJet

Kicked easyJet out of SNN, NOC and ORK by launching LGW services from these cities, and fare reductions

airfrance

When AF flew SNN CDG, FR operated x2 daily SNN BVA in winter. This year - none.

aerarann

Yep - FR went after an ATR operator, by launching DUB ORK, and winning a PSO for DUB KIR, which (rumoured) is FR's worst performing route with loads typically in the 30%'s.



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25 mariner : I don't think Michael O'Leary is a saint - LOL - I have no doubt that Ryanair is extremely predatory. You have certainly raised some valid cases, and
26 Burkhard : MoL manages to get into the discussion with every stunt ( he himself admits that that is oart of his job to make provocative statements to get into th
27 Pe@rson : To me, it is effectively an extended version of MOL's annual 'when I leave in three years' time' speech, in which he ordinarily discusses the need to
28 bjorn14 : Better make sure you know you are going to vomit and have time to ask the FA for a sick bag, because there are no seat pockets on FR frames. Hopefull
29 jpiddink : What I find disturbing in this interview is this quote: If that is true, then was moving into airports like BCN as well-thought over as should be? I w
30 Post contains images mariner : It's always better to know you are going to vomit, although I have seen a passenger "caught short" - not reaching the bag in time. But I assume that
31 Post contains images bjorn14 : Pepto Bismal a client?
32 hz747300 : Yes, but you are still not forced to fly Ryanair. There are other options, they may not be preferred, like driving, or a series of trains, or stealin
33 LJ : They don't have much choice. At the end of the day you can't continue offering service to small destinations if the demand is just not there. You can
34 shankly : Bestwestern, how eloquently put...and superbly sumarising FR's problem, which is that they have filled their planes with all the available cheeky mon
35 PH-BFA : KL already offers around 110-130 euro return fares to different cities in Europe...and I am sure many other legacies such as LH, AF, IB have similar
36 SR4ever : I can go until EUR 100. Again, arbitrary and personnal, but quite many people will agree that coughing up something like EUR 100 per leg on FR is poo
37 mariner : I agree. I would expect Ryanair to be held to the same standard as everyone else. Equally - I would expect everyone else to be held to the same stand
38 AirNZ : But such a comment is entirely subjective......many will also correctly disagree with you. What use is Anti-Trust laws when they are blatantly over-r
39 RobK : Boeing already offers a STOL B738 but it isn't certified for LCY.
40 DocLightning : I also find it interesting that he flat-out admits that he is ill-suited to run a "mature" brand and that he is too much of a clown for that. One thi
41 mariner : Whoa! I think that Ryanair is profoundly honest. MOL has never made a secret of his attitude, he brags about it. Southwest may be a terrific airline
42 Post contains images planemaker : All you people that complain about MOL and FR... here's a tissue. You are ALL so emotional. The issue is really simple... it is about choice - so go f
43 cofannyc : Like U2 or AB? I would say they are both more "WN-like" but haven't cleaned FR's clocks yet.
44 Post contains links and images cpd : I wonder if this proposed change might be a breath of fresh air: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ttendant-pilot-20100914-15a9s.html One pilot s
45 Post contains images SR4ever : How often do you fly FR, if I may ask? It really depends on which airports you consider. ALC and PMI, on the one hand, are very praised airports, bec
46 par13del : So the airline is now responsible for your ground transportation, are the secondary airports any worse than the major airports throughout Europe? If
47 SR4ever : Some are, really. Before the new Terminal (pretty nice) opened in 2007, CRL looked like all but an invitation to travel, really. Cramped, old and no
48 par13del : Then should FR not be commended for at least being proactive, their business model is about flying into secondary airports, they could leave it at th
49 SR4ever : Yes, they should, as it's better than nothing at all. No, they shouldn't be commended too much, as this is just website information. Way easier than
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