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9-11 Flight Numbers On Other Airlines?  
User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

Have other Airlines besides United and American removed the flight numbers from their systems (11, 77, 175, 93) that were involved in 9-11?

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User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12556 times:

US 77 BWI-PHX-SEA
UA 77 SFO-HNL
CO 77 BRS-EWR

DL 11 LGW-ATL-MCO
UA 11 JFK-LAX
US 11 ORD-CLT

AA 175 DFW-NRT
DL 175 ATL-MCO
CO 175 SNA-HNL
US 175 YVR-PHX-MEX

AA 93 DUB-ORD
CO 93 SFO-IAH-GRU

It appears that AA and UA retired the numbers involving their own aircraft, but not of the others as seen with UA 77, UA 11, AA 175, and AA 93. Also, airlines not involved in the attacks such as US, DL, and CO seem to have kept their numbering system as is, as they use some of the 9/11 flight numbers and not others.

9/11- Never forget.

YYZRWY23



If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.
User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12472 times:

May I respectfully ask why should another airline remove a flight number because it was involved in a tragedy with another airline? Today, with the possible exception of United flight 93, I doubt many people would be able to recall the flight numbers of the hijacked aircraft.

The flight number 007 was about the only flight number that I think has caused difficulty with "other airlines" after a tragedy. This was, of course, the flight number of the Korean Airlines 747 which was shot down. It was memorable thanks to James Bond who made a career out of battling (and bedding) the Soviets.

I recall reading articles at the time of passengers feeling spooked when flying on other airlines' 007 services. I can't be certain of this, but I think some airlines may have renumbered some flights which carried the 007 number and which went near Soviet airspace. However, in such cases they did not cancel the 007 tag outright.



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User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 2):
May I respectfully ask why should another airline remove a flight number because it was involved in a tragedy with another airline?

I don't think the OP displayed any anger or discontent with the fact that they hadn't removed those numbers.....just curious to see if other US (or intl) operators removed those numbers.

YYZRWY23



If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.
User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Air Pacific (Fiji) operates NAN-SYD as FJ911. When they wet leased a United Airlines B744 last year and in 2008 the United crew refused to use the FJ911 flight number and associated call sign when they operated the SYD flight so the flight became FJ5911 when operated by United.

User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12401 times:

Quoting YYZRWY23 (Reply 3):
I don't think the OP displayed any anger or discontent with the fact that they hadn't removed those numbers.....just curious to see if other US (or intl) operators removed those numbers.

That was my intention exactly.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12170 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 2):
May I respectfully ask why should another airline remove a flight number because it was involved in a tragedy with another airline?

I agree. I can't think of another airline incident where other airlines have removed those flight numbers.


User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

SAS changed their CPH-EWR-CPH flight numbers from SK911/912 to SK909/910.


"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11763 times:

Quoting rj777 (Thread starter):
Have other Airlines besides United and American removed the flight numbers from their systems (11, 77, 175, 93) that were involved in 9-11?

AA also “retired” flight AA911 from its numbering system after the 9/11 attacks. It used to be used on the daily MIA-SCL service. This flight number was initially retained but someone made a bomb threat against it in the first day or two after flights resumed following 9/11 and it had to be escorted back to Miami under fighter escort. This incident got a lot of publicity being only a few days after 9/11 and involving flight number 911 so AA decided to re-number the flight to avoid future passenger anxiety on the flight and to avoid it being a future target for things like this.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11659 times:

while not related to 9-11, both AA and DL removed # 191 from thei

User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10881 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 9):
while not related to 9-11, both AA and DL removed # 191 from thei

There have been quite a few flight 191 crashes, including the AA DC-10 at ORD, the DL L1011 at DFW and the Comair CRJ at LEX. Real "unlucky" flight number if you ask me.


User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10623 times:

BA11 LHR-SIN
BA93 LHR-YYZ
BA175 LHR-JFK

BA9-11 FRA-LHR

and incidently because in other countries apart from the USA the date is different BA11-9 LHR-BLR

Also on a side note note all flight numbers involved in air disasters are retired... British Midland still use BD92 on LHR-Belfast which is the flight that crashed on the M1, 21 years ago, albeit the flight now terminates at george best belfast city and not International like it did in January 1989


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting YYZRWY23 (Reply 3):
I don't think the OP displayed any anger or discontent with the fact that they hadn't removed those numbers.....just curious to see if other US (or intl) operators removed those numbers.

YYZRWY23

  

....and that's why TravellerPlus....

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 2):
respectfully asks

 


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Another flight number that CO has is CO 232, from IAH-LGA. You won't be seeing that flight number at the "new" United...

User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

According to Flightaware UAL 93 was used as recently as 2007...and AA 11 was used as recently as 2006...

[Edited 2010-09-12 09:44:09]

User currently offlinehamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

From Dubai

EK 93 DXB - MXP



PHX - i miss spotting
User currently offlineACABlaker From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

AC007 YYZ-YVR-HKG (Soon to be a thru flight, currently YVR-HKG)
AC175 YYZ-YEG
AC191 YYZ-YYJ (this flight number was the 319 that hit some major turbulence a few years ago, very unlucky)
AC901 FLL-YYZ (ANZ that crashed in the Antarctic)
AC182 YVR-YYZ (AI182 Bombing)
AC123 YYZ-YEG (JAL123 747 crash)
AC103 YYZ-YVR (PanAM 103 Bombing)

Thats to name a few from AC that match flight numbers of major crashes or attacks on aviation. However that being said flight 143 and 797 that were major incidents for AC have not changed either.


Just to add, 191 was not the plane it was 190 on the way back same flight though and equip. my bad.

[Edited 2010-09-12 11:10:33]

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6822 times:

Quoting ACABlaker (Reply 16):
AC007 YYZ-YVR-HKG (Soon to be a thru flight, currently YVR-HKG)

YVR-HKG is currently AC017 not AC007. It becomes AC007 when it becomes a through flight YYZ-YVR-HKG. The 007 number was inherited from CP. They used it for YVR-HKG startiing in the mid-1980s.


User currently onlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6790 times:

Southwest has...

Flight 11
AMA-DAL-HOU-TUL-LAS-SAN

Flight 175
CLE-BWI

93 and 77 do not exist on SWA

Nor do 191 either.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlinelevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

I remember flying on UA from NRT to JFK and flight number was 800. I have to admit it was a bit spooky to listen to Channel 9 and hear our flight being referred to as 800. At least at the time the memory was still fresh with TWA.

Leo.



A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
User currently offlineRoyalOrchid773 From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

THAI operates TG911 on its London (LHR) - Bangkok (BKK) morning run.

User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Quoting YYZRWY23 (Reply 3):
I don't think the OP displayed any anger or discontent

I don't read any anger or discontent in TravellerPlus's response either.
One question I'd like to ask is, where flight numbers have been withdrawn are the same routes still flying but with a different flight number, or have the routes themselves changed, resulting in a different flight number?
Kind regards,


User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

Hi everyone,

There's a thread from a couple of years back about all this:

Retirement Of Troubled Flight Numbers? (by Klwright69 Mar 6 2008 in Civil Aviation)

It's been standard practice for years to retire numbers asap following a crash because the public has a non-discerning memory and is superstitious. PA 103, SR 111, AF 447 , etc... all were changed within weeks, if not sooner.

It's culturally sensitive to remove such numbers, but it also take sinto account how people react to specific numbers. You don't see a 13th floor in American hotels. You rarely see flights 4, 44 or 444 in Asia (the pronounciation of 4 in Chinese is similar to the word for "death"), etc...


User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

CO0911 MNL-GUM was retired shortly after 9-11 in favor of CO934 the former MNL-HNL

Less than a year ago CO 10/11 IAH-CDG chg to CO32/33. I have wondered what drove this? It is noteworthy that CO 11 has some bad history itself. But that was some time ago

I remember remarking at the time that no route sold as CO 32/33 ever lasts (SEANRT;EWRGIG; 10pEWRBHX ) I didn't know how the "curse" could drive CO off IAHCDG......it seems however the answer was CO itself would go away!


User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

BE911 LGW GCI

IB911 BCN MAD



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5157 posts, RR: 43
Reply 25, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

Quoting ACABlaker (Reply 16):
Thats to name a few from AC that match flight numbers of major crashes or attacks on aviation. However that being said flight 143 and 797 that were major incidents for AC have not changed either.


AC also continues to use these significant flight numbers from AC or TCA's past; 621 (109 fatalities), 189 (2 fatalities), 831 (118 fatalities) and 3 (15 fatalities). They also only recently stopped using flight number 810 (62 fatalities).



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