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Airbus Near A 150-200 Planes Order In China  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16029 times:

http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/eads...n-chine-la-tribune-news-399238.htm

According to the economic French newspaper "La Tribune" , Airbus is near a 150 planes order in China , consisting of 120 A320s , 20 A330s and 10 A350XWBs.
These A350XWB are a confirmation of an MOU already signed 1 or 2 years ago

The newspaper also says , this order could even reach 200 units , including A380s.

It could be signed during the state visit of Chinese President in France next November.

After Airbus , will Boeing also get a Chinese order , as China has the habit , to proceed this way ?

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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16023 times:

Thanks for that find. Interesting times ahead...

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6915 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15919 times:

Still more A330s?! By my reckoning they already have 115 in service or on order.

And just 10 A350s? I was expecting more.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15739 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
And just 10 A350s? I was expecting more.

Well, if they are looking at A380s, maybe that's all the 350's they'll need for now.  

-Dave



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 days ago) and read 15717 times:

Original source mentions that the A380s could be 5-10 and for Air China.

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...vec-pekin-une-commande-geante.html


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15318 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
And just 10 A350s? I was expecting more.

Wouldn't it be cool if it what 10 A320s and 120 A350XWBs instead.
 
240 RRs +++

Let's hope that the A320s will be NEO versions.
The A320 orderbook is just short of 2300 frames.
 Wow!


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15143 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
Wouldn't it be cool if it what 10 A320s and 120 A350XWBs instead.

240 RRs +++

To me 5 A380s are better than 25 A350s or 125 A32X.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
Let's hope that the A320s will be NEO versions.

I think they'll all be from the Airbus production line in China.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
The A320 orderbook is just short of 2300 frames.

Who would have thought in 1988? But it is the best in its class. Airbus can sit and wait until the CSeries, MS-21, and C919 come along. When they are really so much better, Airbus then has enough time and backlog to improve the A32X family.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15045 times:

I also expected more A350XWBs , but this will be the first firm order commitment , and no doubt much more will follow in the future.
Let's the Chinese airlines receive firstly their 787s.As the "enter in service "date is after the 787 , they have plenty of time to order more A350XWBs , which will be delivered at the end of the decade.
Right now they order the "sold as hot cakes" A330 , which is delivered in a short time period.
Will be interesting to know how many , out of the 120 planned to be ordered A320s will be assembled in China.

After China Southern , the second Chinese airline which could get A380s , would be Air China .What about the third ? China Eastern ?


User currently onlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

I always smile when I see some members get carried away when an important order is imminent

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
According to the economic French newspaper "La Tribune" , Airbus is near a 150 planes order in China , consisting of 120 A320s , 20 A330s and 10 A350XWBs.
These A350XWB are a confirmation of an MOU already signed 1 or 2 years ago
Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
Let's hope that the A320s will be NEO versions.

I don't believe the A320NEO has been launched yet.....

Quoting FCKC (Reply 8):
After China Southern , the second Chinese airline which could get A380s , would be Air China .What about the third ?

120 A320's. 20 A330's, 10 A350's. It could be expanded with 5-10 A380's, possibly for a 2nd Chinese operator. And we're already talking about a third? Let's not jump the gun by that much folks.   

Very good news though, A320's and A330's means they need lift on the short term.



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User currently onlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14447 times:

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
After Airbus , will Boeing also get a Chinese order , as China has the habit , to proceed this way ?

Yes, it has its own thread already:

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
Source: http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...-planes-for-dollar-1-2-bln-020.htm

Excerpt: SHANGHAI, Sept 10 (Reuters) - Air China Ltd said it had agreed to buy four 777-300ER aircraft from Boeing for a total basic price of $1.15 billion to expand fleet capacity.

  



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14122 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 9):
I don't believe the A320NEO has been launched yet.....

Neither has this order.
According to the tread-starter this order i "near".

Of course ... with a 2300 orderbook I can say that Airbus is in a rush to launch it, but I can hope.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4737 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13000 times:
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
120 A320's. 20 A330's, 10 A350's. It could be expanded with 5-10 A380's, possibly for a 2nd Chinese operator. And we're already talking about a third? Let's not jump the gun by that much folks.

Very good news though, A320's and A330's means they need lift on the short term.


This would be very good news indeed. But let us first await an official confirmation. We have heard many times "rumors" or reports about upcoming orders, which in the end did not materialize (sometimes with different explanations why they did not emerge). So until it is official, I will not count these ones "in" yet.  


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12828 times:

... and we have time until November to speculate :lol:

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12765 times:

EPA001

You are 100% right , this order is not confirmed yet , and you are right many "rumors" orders never saw the light.
But China is an exception.
Every time a rumor had came about a possible order from China , it has always been materialised.
Every time there was a state visit in France from a Chinese President (or Prime Minister) , rumor has always became firm order !I remember when China bought 150 A320s , this was a rumor before the state visit , and became a firm order after !
Same for a state visit of French President (or German chancelier) in China .
The French Minister of transport will pay a visit in China this month to discuss transportation and aviation.......

Frigatebird

I spoke about a giant order for Boeing , not only 4 planes...............


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4737 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12673 times:
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@FCKC: I really do hope you are right on this.  

User currently onlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12056 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):

Frigatebird

I spoke about a giant order for Boeing , not only 4 planes...............

Just kidding FCKC, hence the   
  



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User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11911 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
To me 5 A380s are better than 25 A350s or 125 A32X.

For Airbus, absolutely. 350's would help more with domestic frequency/capacity which is growing fast.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):

I think they'll all be from the Airbus production line in China.

The 320's , absolutely. No question. Interesting to see how this plays with the unions in the EU. Was bound to happen sooner or later. Although not much to complain about now with a 2,000+ backlog.

Hopefully, Airbus won't let China build the NG 320 down the road. Make China design their own commercial aircraft.



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User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

Quoting glideslope (Reply 16):
Hopefully, Airbus won't let China build the NG 320 down the road.

"We'll buy 200 busses including A380s this yr if the new engine is applied to the Tianjin A320s fom 2015, A321s too".

Quoting glideslope (Reply 16):
Make China design their own commercial aircraft.

   The C919 series will be launch customer for GEs newest NB engine, the LeapX

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3128/comacc9191.jpg


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10661 times:

English link from B-berg

hoping for a big order in Dec.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...lane-order-la-tribune-reports.html

//Mike   

[Edited 2010-09-13 10:10:05]


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting Article:
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...vec-pekin-une-commande-geante.html

"Pour autant, cette commande de 150 appareils n'est qu'une hypothèse basse, selon des proches du dossier. Certains n'hésitent pas à avancer le chiffre de plus de 200 avions. Cette commande ferme pourrait s'accompagner d'intentions d'achats concernant d'autres appareils dont les négociations ont démarré il y a peu de temps. C'est le cas de l'avion vedette d'Airbus, l'A380"

From what I understand, this means that there won't be firm orders for A380s, but rather a LOI.

Not that I wouldn't welcome such news, of course!  



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10026 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10033 times:
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Quoting glideslope (Reply 16):
Interesting to see how this plays with the unions in the EU. Was bound to happen sooner or later. Although not much to complain about now with a 2,000+ backlog.

Seeing has how the last 2 one hundred and fifty frame A32X orders for China have already gone down this route without a murmer from unions in the EU, I'd expect to see it pass without comment....

Rgds


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 929 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
Who would have thought in 1988? But it is the best in its class. Airbus can sit and wait until the CSeries, MS-21, and C919 come along. When they are really so much better, Airbus then has enough time and backlog to improve the A32X family.

According to Airbus.com, the backlog of undelivered A32X airplanes stands at 2281 units, with well over 4,000 already delivered, simply remarkable for a commercial jet in production since 1988. There are more A32X aircraft delivered than the entire jet production of McDonnell Douglas, a truly amazing acomplishment. Airbus not only designed a real winner here, they've kept upgrading and improving it so it's still in high demand. A classic example of doing something the right way.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 17):
  The C919 series will be launch customer for GEs newest NB engine, the LeapX

LOL. Knew you could not resist. Even after all this time. Those C919 frames are nothing more than slightly modified
designs from Embraer. Of course I have no evidence of this other than MO.  



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User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 20):
Seeing has how the last 2 one hundred and fifty frame A32X orders for China have already gone down this route without a murmer from unions in the EU, I'd expect to see it pass without comment....

Rgds

True. But can Germany, France, and the Netherlands sustain the entire EU? If so for how much longer until the debt crisis begins to effect domestic employment for jobs being outsourced.

The response may be different this time. Perhaps not. The EU financial issues have become much worse in the last 6m. Looks like China will be your credit card same as the USA.   



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 17):
Quoting glideslope (Reply 16):
Hopefully, Airbus won't let China build the NG 320 down the road.

"We'll buy 200 busses including A380s this yr if the new engine is applied to the Tianjin A320s fom 2015, A321s too".

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is, IMO, bad business.



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25 Thorben : If you look at PEK with its congestion and PVG with its strange runways, it becomes clear that there is a demand for bigger planes to allow growth. S
26 Post contains links keesje : I you sure? The Embraer 145 is so much smaller. The C919 is bigger then the A320, has completely different dimensions, nose , cargo deck, cockpit con
27 BoeingVista : This is from all of your years of experience in macro economics or Foxnews? Ah! Foxnews.
28 Post contains links and images glideslope : Ah, it continues. My friend it is amazing how things never change. The 145 was not what most aviation followers would picture being true aviation ent
29 MD80Nut : Couldn't agree more. Let's see the new types in service and see what's what. They're going to have pretty damn good to compete with what's already in
30 Post contains images Tigerguy : Let the planes get in service? Oh come now, if everybody just waited until engines were turning and planes flying, we'd have nothing to argue about!
31 Post contains images Asiaflyer : Not this patriotic nonsense again please. The Tanjin factory belongs to Airbus and not China. Almost every single MNC or global company has productio
32 Post contains links and images keesje : Air China clearly stated they needed no A380s. http://www1.airliners.net/aviation-f...eneral_aviation/read.main/3660983/ Maybe times changed. They don
33 Thorben : Yes, three years ago. The world changes fast in these days. The PEK airport can't sustain its growth with more narrow-bodies forever. 100% agreed. Wo
34 huaiwei : Nothing is obvious without factual basis or a public declaration by the said party, which obviously we will never see.
35 PlanesNTrains : That is true. By the way, Mario did a great job on that livery pic. The Air China livery really fits the A380 well. -Dave
36 Thorben : Depends on the taste, I would say. To me it looks too much like the old CAAC/ soviet Aeroflot livery. Could use some refreshment.
37 KPDX : Thats what makes it so great imo. Rather have that than a all white tube.
38 Post contains links and images Thorben : I think there are way better liveries around in China. A380s would look better in those liveries. Hainan: China Southern: China Eastern: View Large V
39 Post contains images MD80Nut : LOL! How true. With the DC-9 nearing the end of it's service with NW / Delta, we do need something else to argue about, I suppose future airplane / e
40 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : You are right about taste. I like the old 70's style liveries though. Not for everyone, but for diversity. Some of those current liveries you showed
41 MoltenRock : Wow! 150 to 200 frames? That's a whole 'lotta airframes. What is that worth? $8 or $9 BILLION US dollars? Dang, that's a lotta cash.
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