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User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 797 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

Seen in Le Figaro newspaper : Air Asia X has been awarded 208 slots a year to fly to ORY from KUL.
According to Le Figaro, Air Asia X will be able to fly twice a week from October, 31st, 2010.


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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9087 times:

Would the flight be nonstop or via somewhere in the Gulf region perhaps? Sounds like good news!


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8999 times:
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Quoting Icarus75 (Thread starter):
Seen in Le Figaro newspaper : Air Asia X has been awarded 208 slots a year to fly to ORY from KUL.
According to Le Figaro, Air Asia X will be able to fly twice a week from October, 31st, 2010.

As they don't have enough A343 and since their A333 don't have the range, me might expect a stop en route. AUH ?



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

This has been on the cards for about 2yrs now, Air Asia X was supposed to be flying to Oakland in the USA too, and confirmed they had rights to fly both routes back then... They even had one of their A340's painted in Oakland's baseball team colours.

Nothing seems to have ever materialised or flights to become bookable.

How are flights doing on the STN-KUL route? The flights seem quite pricey at around £500-600 GBP return, and an airline like Air Asia X is going to primarily attract the budget traveller and I can regularly find flights with the legacy carriers to this region for far less money on promotion at around £400 GBP.

Even though the A340's flying the route have had their cabins "upgraded", Im not sure if this is a good thing from a passenger perspective as they have ripped out the old AC config of 2-4-2 in economy and is now 3-3-3 - adding about additional 60 seats to the aircraft. There is no IFE (or if there is, it is chargeable), while baggage and food is also chargable. These things I would be unwilling to sacrifice, when I have parted with £500 worth of my hard earned money, if I can get a similar priced flight with an alternative airline legacy carrier.

Initially Air Asia X use to offer some quite attractive promotions on the route, but these seem to have dried up... Suppose that might be saying it is now successful enough, not to offer promotions.

[Edited 2010-09-13 09:42:23]

User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
The flights seem quite pricey at around £500-600 GBP return, and an airline like Air Asia X is going to primarily attract the budget traveller and I can regularly find flights with the legacy carriers to this region for far less money on promotion at around £400 GBP.

Exactly my thoughts. I had looked at their pricing last year for 2 separate trips to KUL, but Malaysia Airlines were both cheaper and offered a better product.

I'm back again in 2 weeks time and didn't even consider AirAsiaX this time, but managed to grab a J fare on EY only 40% or so above the MH fare (which seems to have shot up).

I couldn't imagine flying direct to KUL on an LCC. Must be living hell.


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

Quoting Woof (Reply 4):
I couldn't imagine flying direct to KUL on an LCC. Must be living hell.

Same for me but honestly, last year in July, I've flown AF from LAX to CDG and it was hell also!!!
Not regarding inflight service that was really, really nice but regarding comfort!! B777 configuration 3-4-3 is a nightmare and the sits are everything but comfortable!



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
How are flights doing on the STN-KUL route?

Don't forget that Air Asia X does not only sell KUL as a destionation. I would imagine quite a fair number of pax use KUL as a jumping off point for other destinations in SE Asia and even Australia.

Also note that the carrier will be popular with Australians and Asians seeking low-cost fares to Europe. And that is the reason that Tune Hotels (a budget hotel chain linked to Air Asia) recently opened a property in London with affordable rooms.
See:
http://www.businesstraveller.com/new.../tune-hotels-opens-london-property

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
There is no IFE (or if there is, it is chargeable),

The new seating isn't installed with IFE. It was a deliberate policy because the carrier reckons seat-back IFE will be largely redundant in the years ahead as more and more passengers bring their own entertainment devices on board.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Don't forget that Air Asia X does not only sell KUL as a destionation. I would imagine quite a fair number of pax use KUL as a jumping off point for other destinations in SE Asia and even Australia.

Very true, but as with many LCC here in the UK they market themselves as a point to point carrier, so any connections are not guaranteed... I am unsure what support you will get if you arrive in KUL and miss your connection through no fault of your own.

If it is similar to easyJet or Ryanair, it is down to you to book and pay for a new connecting flight and will forfeit the cost of the original connection that was missed. On Air Asia X's website you can only book STN-KUL!

At least with the legacy carriers, they are supposed to get you to your final destination, and if you miss a connecting flight they will book you on to an alternative flight at their expense.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19229 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8366 times:

Quoting Woof (Reply 4):
I couldn't imagine flying direct to KUL on an LCC. Must be living hell.

I flew D7 STN-KUL-STN for £198 return all-in. It exceeded my expectations (I have hitherto posted my report on it in some thread in this forum on AirAsia X). I'd happily fly it again - if I could get the same price, or thereabouts.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8047 times:

Air Asia X have got the slots down to Germanwings not taking up their allocated slots at Orly
http://www.cohor.org/cohor_site/all_nws2.asp?NewIdx=131&lng=en



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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7993 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
I flew D7 STN-KUL-STN for £198 return all-in. It exceeded my expectations (I have hitherto posted my report on it in some thread in this forum on AirAsia X). I'd happily fly it again - if I could get the same price, or thereabouts.

But therein lies the problem. I've not seen pricing from them anything like that low. Plus (as alluded to by another poster), KUL was not my final destination, so I had a proper connection onwards in SE Asia with the same carrier for less than D7 could muster to KUL.


User currently offlinejfr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

This article in last week's press reports that AirAsia X is not planning to start the KUL-PAR route this year.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...ALeqM5i-yEJFmL04EiHl6Vhl41vna-WcSA


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19229 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Quoting Woof (Reply 10):
But therein lies the problem. I've not seen pricing from them anything like that low.

Indeed. But, I have seen it for £199 STN-KUL all-in and £100 KUL-STN all-in, although I didn't buy it.



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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Indeed. But, I have seen it for £199 STN-KUL all-in and £100 KUL-STN all-in, although I didn't buy it.

Sorry to harp on about the pricing, but my idea of a LCC is that I know, if I book far enough in advance, that I can get a cheap basic fare, but will be charged for anything and everything on top. This doesn't appear to be the case on the STN > KUL route. Rather than being a LLC, they seem to be just like any other airline, offering "average" pricing to their destinations, with the odd "sale price", that I've yet to be offered on multiple searches and multiple dates, but with a significantly weaker product.

I've looked at the pricing on at least 2 previous occasions and seen £550 > £600. I tried again just now for a flight in January and the website keeps crashing.

I just don't get what makes this route attractive for pax?


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

News reports in Malaysia are all mentioning that D7 won't be flying to Orly in 2010. The top execs of the company however did mulled about launching Paris on the St. Valentine's Day next year (14 February 2011).

Quote:
Long-haul budget airline AirAsia X said Thursday it has no plans to begin flights to Paris this year, according to a top official, after French reports it had been given a slot at Orly Airport.

“We are not looking at flying to Paris on October 31,” AirAsia X’s chief executive officer Azran Osman-Rani told AFP.

“It is still premature (to set a date), it is definitely not this year,” he said, adding that the carrier was still in talks with the French authorities on “operational matters”.

French newspaper La Tribune, without specifying its source, reported that AirAsia has been given a slot to operate the Kuala Lumpur-Paris route twice a week from October 31.

The paper said the airline however intends to start these flights in 2011 and was targeting to fly four times a week.

Read more: http://www.btimes.com.my/articles/20100909204817/Article/

The right equipment would be the major obstacle for the launch because D7 only has 2 A343s and it seems that there is no plan to lease another to start this Paris flight. The airline however has excess A333s but since they scraped their 'AUH virtual hub' plan (D7 served AUH for 4 months only), the only Middle Eastern destination in D7's network at the moment that can be used as the technical stop for the A333 is IKA, which is served 2 weekly. But seriously, IKA en route to ORY? (IKA Tehran's Imam Khomeini International). I am quite certain D7 would want the technical stop destination to offer them 5th freedom rights as well.

Quoting Woof (Reply 4):
Exactly my thoughts. I had looked at their pricing last year for 2 separate trips to KUL, but Malaysia Airlines were both cheaper and offered a better product.

As mentioned by some, D7 is after those price conscious travelers. For travel between Kuala Lumpur and London on a normal circumstance (normal fare with late booking), D7's fare is still almost 50% cheaper than MH.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 7):
Very true, but as with many LCC here in the UK they market themselves as a point to point carrier, so any connections are not guaranteed... I am unsure what support you will get if you arrive in KUL and miss your connection through no fault of your own.

D7 has started offering connecting flights. http://www.airasia.com/my/en/transfer.html For STN, connection/transfer is offered to PER, MEL, BOM and DEL via KUL.


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 14):
As mentioned by some, D7 is after those price conscious travelers. For travel between Kuala Lumpur and London on a normal circumstance (normal fare with late booking), D7's fare is still almost 50% cheaper than MH.

Sure, but there is nearly always another 'better' carrier offering comparable pricing with a much better product. Taking another real world example, I travel on Sept 29th and return on Oct 12th. D7 offer a direct flight for £513, but EY offer a connection through AUH for £575. I know which of these tickets I would buy.

On the dates above KUL is not actually my final destination, so with EY I had the opportunity to connect through BKK for £399, which is a 23% saving on D7s fare.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Indeed I agree.

But one should consider that D7 'connects' to more than just BKK, SIN, CGK and all the big cities. AK, FD and QZ (Malaysia, Thai and Indonesia AirAsia sister companies) provide D7 a platform (in the form of shared booking engine) to capture the market of Guilin or Haikou or Makassar or Solo or Vientiane or Sibu or Tawau or Chiangmai or Narathiwat, none of which are served by the likes of EY, EK et. al.

Then there is something about brand awareness. An airline can have the best product in the world with the most competitive price one could ever imagine, but can’t sell any seats if the brand awareness is not there. AirAsia is a household name in Asia.

And the market is big enough for everyone to bite their shares of the pie. If D7, an extremely cost conscious LCC, can command a higher fare than a legacy carrier and still flying with good loads, than their management must be doing something exceptionally good.

And we all know that your exhibit, EY, is not a money making entity. Will Etihad Airways Ever Make Any Money? (by mikey72 Aug 25 2010 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2010-09-14 05:31:58]

User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 16):
AirAsia is a household name in Asia.

Malaysia and many things associated with it may tout themselves as "truly Asia", but try asking the average Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian or Pakistani if they know about this airline and they would give you a blank stare.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 16):
If D7, an extremely cost conscious LCC, can command a higher fare than a legacy carrier and still flying with good loads, than their management must be doing something exceptionally good.

This is nothing to do with the airline management. All LCCs are able to keep aflout because of a pricing strategy whereby tickets get increasingly pricier, and the pricier tickets are the ones subsidising the ultra cheap tickets. And there are people buying the more expensive tickets because of a simple trick of marketing, whereby people are drawn in my advertised low fairs, but still have a high tendency to buy a more expensive ticket ultimately if the cheaper ones are gone.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 16):

But one should consider that D7 'connects' to more than just BKK, SIN, CGK and all the big cities. AK, FD and QZ (Malaysia, Thai and Indonesia AirAsia sister companies) provide D7 a platform (in the form of shared booking engine) to capture the market of Guilin or Haikou or Makassar or Solo or Vientiane or Sibu or Tawau or Chiangmai or Narathiwat, none of which are served by the likes of EY, EK et. al.

For each secluded city you can name, there is another competing mainline carrier who can do the job. And plenty of travellers can choose to fly full service on the long-haul sector, before switching to LCCs for the remaining leg via any LCC and hub.



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User currently offlineairpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 950 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 17):
Malaysia and many things associated with it may tout themselves as "truly Asia", but try asking the average Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian or Pakistani if they know about this airline and they would give you a blank stare.

I can't see where Malaysia comes into it. We are talking about a privately-owned airline, and not a country's tourism promotion program, however silly some people may think it is. Perhaps 9MMAR stretches the truth a little about AirAsia being a household name, but it is among if not the largest LCC in Asia by fleet size and passengers carried so I would think there's some basis to his claims, even if they're not entirely accurate. If he had, for instance, said Tiger Airways was a household name, then you'd be totally correct to disagree - for it isn't.

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 17):
This is nothing to do with the airline management. All LCCs are able to keep aflout because of a pricing strategy whereby tickets get increasingly pricier, and the pricier tickets are the ones subsidising the ultra cheap tickets. And there are people buying the more expensive tickets because of a simple trick of marketing, whereby people are drawn in my advertised low fairs, but still have a high tendency to buy a more expensive ticket ultimately if the cheaper ones are gone.

All airlines do that, whether or not they are LCCs, so this is a moot point. But I would agree with 9MMAR, it is management - if indeed D7 can manage to sell tickets that are expensive despite offering a less superior/cheaper product, doesn't that mean higher profits for their shareholders? Isn't getting good returns for shareholders their primary objective anyway? We may not agree with it - and there are definitely questions about the sustainability of this practice - but it's undeniable that management plays a huge part.

corrects typo

[Edited 2010-09-14 09:52:48]

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 17):
Malaysia and many things associated with it may tout themselves as "truly Asia", but try asking the average Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian or Pakistani if they know about this airline and they would give you a blank stare.

Although I am not sure why Malaysia and its tourism campaign are suddenly being swept into this discussion, to please the nitpickers, I'll rephrase the paragraph.

"Then there is something about brand awareness. An airline can have the best product in the world with the most competitive price one could ever imagine, but can't sell any seats if the brand awareness is not there. AirAsia is a household name especially in the area/region where it has significant presence such as Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia."

Happy?

On the nations that you mentioned, AirAsia Group has quite a big operation in China and India.


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http://www.prlog.org/10506240-airasia.jpg

D7 also will launch ICN on 1 November 2010 and has just announced a 3 weekly KUL-HND vv flight today scheduled to begin on 9 December 2010 http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story...9/15/business/7035685&sec=business So some Chinese, Indian, Korean and Japanese would be aware about AirAsia's presence (if you ask the right person).

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 17):
This is nothing to do with the airline management. All LCCs are able to keep aflout because of a pricing strategy whereby tickets get increasingly pricier, and the pricier tickets are the ones subsidising the ultra cheap tickets.

The pricing strategy is managed by the airline management. If the airline management has nothing to do with it, then we won't be hearing cases where LCCs went bust. And in reality, there are a lot of LCCs that went bankrupt.

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 17):
For each secluded city you can name, there is another competing mainline carrier who can do the job. And plenty of travellers can choose to fly full service on the long-haul sector, before switching to LCCs for the remaining leg via any LCC and hub.

Indeed. AirAsia does not fly into a destination where it is the only player, as in the case of almost all other airlines, both legacies or LCCs.


User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 4978 times:

I think these two flights ORY-KUL-ORY should be operated by A343s to use the optimal range of this bird or to cover such distances for which the A340 was built for . Not to mention that MAS is operating a daily nstp 777 KUL- CDG service .

Regards

dennys


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 16):
And the market is big enough for everyone to bite their shares of the pie. If D7, an extremely cost conscious LCC, can command a higher fare than a legacy carrier and still flying with good loads, than their management must be doing something exceptionally good.

Well, Aziz you just knocked on the "head of the nail".

It is impressing how D7 manages to charge the same or (occasionally) higher fares than their legacy competitors.
My only conclusion to that is that on one hand their marketing strategy works excellent but on the other hand their "hard and soft product" can´t be sooooo weak as suspected by many (most of them certainly have never flown D7 nor AK/FD/QZ !!! ) and I advise everybody to not understimate their soft product (cabin crews in particular who certainly make up for some of the amenities not offered or only against a -small- charge).

Despite the fact passengers need to pay for some amenities in the basic class (food/drinks/comfort kit/extra luggage) paying for these won´t exceed any passengers budget anyway ...

My opinion: In the end D7-passengers still get good value for money !

As a side note:
I can still remember all the prejudgment against OASIS Hong Kong then!
I have flown with them and found out that almost nothing that was said before was true. In fact they were on par with many average legacy carriers except for a few items at the "soft" side of the product !!!
After all it´s about getting you safe and on time from A to B ! And that´s what they did ...
Nothing else is what you get from D7 !

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 7):
Very true, but as with many LCC here in the UK they market themselves as a point to point carrier, so any connections are not guaranteed... I am unsure what support you will get if you arrive in KUL and miss your connection through no fault of your own.

Well, my personal experience tells me that you get reasonable support (considering that all tickets are point-to-point only).
In fact - as long you leave ample time between two flights at KUL (minimum 3hrs between flights) they will put you on the next availlable flight to your final destination - subject to space availlability - without any further payment.
It´s just that there are no compensation rules like in Europe. So, nothing to expect besides putting you on the next flight ...
That´s far more than what you get from any european LCC !!!!!!!!!!
...and of course it depends on how you approach the Air Asia staff at LCCT  Wink

[Edited 2010-09-19 07:28:19]

[Edited 2010-09-19 07:29:55]


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting dennys (Reply 20):
I think these two flights ORY-KUL-ORY should be operated by A343s to use the optimal range of this bird or to cover such distances for which the A340 was built for

But Air Assia X's two A340s are already fully utilised on the KUL-STN route.


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