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User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Hi, i'm looking for any info about the old commuter terminal at MSP. From what I know, this was a small structure where regional flights departed from prior to the addition of the A, B, and extended C concourse in 2002. How was this area set up, and how many gates where there? I know i've seen pictures of smaller planes lined up together at MSP so how would passengers know their plane? Was it connected to the main terminal? Sorry for all the questions, but I've been wondering about this smaller terminal for a long time and never took any flights from there back then.

And one other question if anybody knows this...was the C concourse as wide as it is now before the addition? I know gates C1-C11 are the original gates but the area with the moving walkway appears to be newer.

Thanks so much!

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User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
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Yes it was a smaller structure connected to the main terminal (C-concourse). It was a level below the main terminal and was accessed via escalator or elevator. The old commuter terminal really was more of a bus station than anything. I'm a bit embarrassed - I worked there for however many years and I forget which gate it was at exactly. Since the new terminal opened (2002) a lot of stuff was realigned and renumbered.

Your flight was boarded at a check-in desk (I want to say there were like 8 of them for Mesaba, Great Lakes had one too). When your flight was boarding you got onto a bus from your "gate" and were bussed directly to your departing aircraft somewhere out on the ramp. So in reality all you needed to do was get to the check-in and the bus drivers would get you to the right plane.

If you were departing on a flight from MSP you had to enter through security at the front of the airport. Commuter airlines were not required to perform security screening on their flights until at least 2002 so all passengers coming in on commuter flights to MSP entered the main terminal through a security screening checkpoint.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

This building was part of the old Western Airline Hanger. It was the front part that had the offices, break room and any other areas like stores. The MAC removed the steel structure part of it. They gutted the whole inside and then remodeled it.
I was in the inside before and after and you could not tell it was not built as a commuter terminal from the ground up.

It was connected to the end of the old green concourse with a wooden tunnel or walk way. It got cold in the winter and hot during the summer. Republic used the green and some gates on blue. This was back in the mid to late 80's. IIRC, All passengers walked out on the ramp. You had to go through security check point to access the green and the other gates.

You could enter and exit through the front doors with out having to go to the main terminal. Just about all commuters or regional s used this terminal. Mesaba was doing NW Airlink, and was on the red lower level gate 25 IIRC. They, XJ moved to the end of the gold gate 15. There was limited room between G15 and the NWA hangers.

Before this was built the commuters used the lower level gate 79. The ramp area was also used by Republic and their Convair 580's. IIRC they had 5 or 6 580 on the ground at the same time during push. Before the addition to the green (1979) the green was gates 61 to 65, Between gate 61 & 62 was a large area where all the commuters had their counters. The passengers then walked down to gate 65 and went down stairs to board their planes. There was a security check point on the upper level. Eastern used gates 61 & 62, 63 was Allegheny before they went to the blue, and 64 was Ozark, before they moved to the end of the red.

When MAC built the big addition and changed the gate numbering they widen the concourse a lot. I work at the Main terminal from 1979 to 1987. I then went to work at the old HHH terminal before MAC built the new HHH. 1987 to 2006. That airport has sure grown since I first started working there. The old HHH was United's hanger converted to a terminal. But that's another story for another time.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1395 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Great summary, acidradio! Back in the day when I'd take walks through MSP, I vividly recall the arrangement and it was exactly as you described. It's almost hard to believe that facility has been gone as long as it has.

IIRC, the replacement regional facilities were well timed with NW's CRJ order. I do not, for example, recall the well-described shuttle-to-plane arrangement for anything other than Mesaba's Saabs, but I could be wrong. Needless to say, with the CRJ order, concourses B and A became badly needed. (although they do seem a bit overbuilt now)

-Mike



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

If IIRC they bused passengers from the red to the gold while the gold was added on to and went from gates 1-7, added 8 through 15. XJ had Metros and Fokker F27 at the time IIRC right. They got rid of the Beech 99 around that time. They had DHC-8 then BAE 146 before CRJ.


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User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Thanks for all your replies. Sounds like the new concourses were a great and necessary addition. It's still a long hike from DL check in to concourse B even with the tram. Good exercise though!

User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
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Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 3):
IIRC, the replacement regional facilities were well timed with NW's CRJ order. I do not, for example, recall the well-described shuttle-to-plane arrangement for anything other than Mesaba's Saabs, but I could be wrong. Needless to say, with the CRJ order, concourses B and A became badly needed. (although they do seem a bit overbuilt now)

That is correct. This all happened at a point in history when NW started to put a huge emphasis on its commuter operations and when CRJ's started to enter the fleet in large numbers. NW started to add CRJs to its fleet through partner 9E. They were all based in DTW at first and eventually made their way to MSP as the fleet size increased.

Some passengers believe that if it has a prop on it or isn't "full-sized" that it must be some relic from WWII. Commuter aircraft automatically get a bad rap from many passengers so the fact that we provide a jetbridge and make it look like a "real" airport helps out with that perception. It also removed some traffic from the ramp (buses) as well as the cost of hiring the bus service. It helps reduce the time required to turn a flight. And passengers do not have to climb up and down stairs in the freezing cold and endure slippery pavement.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting NWA320 (Thread starter):
I know gates C1-C11 are the original gates but the area with the moving walkway appears to be newer.

You can clearly see where the addition to the C Concourse starts, which I think is kind of neat. It really is impressive just how much was added on, and how small the concourse was before.

I only wish I had taken pictures of the old C – or Green Concourse, and the old Commuter Terminal.


User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

How long did America West hold out on the old Green concourse? It was odd seeing them smack in the middle of NWA territory.

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 8):
How long did America West hold out on the old Green concourse? It was odd seeing them smack in the middle of NWA territory.

I believe they moved as a result of the merger. Two weeks after the merger announcement, I took a picture of an HP 733 looking like a tropical island among the "red" sea known as the C concourse. I always wondered why HP was there too.


User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Also, many of the flights operating to that area were unsecured prior to 2001. This meant that you had to go through security upon arrival into Minneapolis. Checkpoints were located on the same level and once you passed through them, you were able to take the escalator up to the main terminal.

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 8):
How long did America West hold out on the old Green concourse? It was odd seeing them smack in the middle of NWA territory.

US / HP still overnight aircraft there. The last CLT and PHX flights of the day, which get in around 11:50 PM, deplane passengers at their old C concourse gates.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
US / HP still overnight aircraft there. The last CLT and PHX flights of the day, which get in around 11:50 PM, deplane passengers at their old C concourse gates.

American used to use a C gate for an arriving DFW flight. I am not sure if they still do this, but it would RON there and was towed over to the E gates in the morning after the first fights went out.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
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Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 3):
Needless to say, with the CRJ order, concourses B and A became badly needed. (although they do seem a bit overbuilt now)

How are they overbuilt? Even with going all the way down to C12, they are always short on gate space

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 8):
How long did America West hold out on the old Green concourse? It was odd seeing them smack in the middle of NWA territory.
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
I believe they moved as a result of the merger. Two weeks after the merger announcement, I took a picture of an HP 733 looking like a tropical island among the "red" sea known as the C concourse. I always wondered why HP was there too.

C9 still has a US gate podium and signage



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User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

FYI- found this old terminal map on Internet archive. Brings back good memories! If you look towards the end of the green concourse, you can see the commuter terminal and its "gates".

http://web.archive.org/web/200003102...m/airport_guide/main_terminal.html


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 13):
C9 still has a US gate podium and signage

You're right. Now I remember. I was down in that area killing time just a few months ago. I saw the US Airways gate and was thinking about why that was still there. I had forgotten about that day already. Pathetic me.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 15):

You're right. Now I remember. I was down in that area killing time just a few months ago. I saw the US Airways gate and was thinking about why that was still there. I had forgotten about that day already. Pathetic me.

They still run departures out of there every morning as well - nothing mid-day, but they have a couple of departures out of there in the morning.

Also, slightly o/t, but I've deplaned from several UA Airbus flights at C1-C9 earlier this summer when I was still flying United quite a bit.


User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 16):
Also, slightly o/t, but I've deplaned from several UA Airbus flights at C1-C9 earlier this summer when I was still flying United quite a bit.

For the most part, do the non-DL/NW carriers at Concourse E park their RON's over at the C/D gates?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 17):

For the most part, do the non-DL/NW carriers at Concourse E park their RON's over at the C/D gates?

Never seen anyone but Delta on Concourse D (Delta often RONs DC-9s/MD-80s/E-175s there), but the low-C gates often have United/US Airways/American planes sitting over there. I have never seen Continental park over there.


User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 18):
Never seen anyone but Delta on Concourse D (Delta often RONs DC-9s/MD-80s/E-175s there), but the low-C gates often have United/US Airways/American planes sitting over there. I have never seen Continental park over there.

I saw a UA 320 there, but that was a few years ago.

One last question...does anybody know if they made the C concourse wider during the addition? Because the moving walkway and windows to the road look newer and flow into the newer portion of C. Also, from the outside driving up to the terminal the portion of the concourse where the walkway is seems to hang over the old part.


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting acidradio (Reply 1):
Your flight was boarded at a check-in desk (I want to say there were like 8 of them for Mesaba, Great Lakes had one too). When your flight was boarding you got onto a bus from your "gate" and were bussed directly to your departing aircraft somewhere out on the ramp. So in reality all you needed to do was get to the check-in and the bus drivers would get you to the right plane.

This is how Colgan runs their commuter operations for continental in IAH Can be very confusing and if you miss the bus to your plane your basically stuck unless you have a nice gate agent and has the bus come back for you.

[Edited 2010-09-15 06:27:20]

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