enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 9516 posts, RR: 15 Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11638 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
The following routes are suspended as of November. I assume this is seasonal.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8029 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11400 times:
Nothing terribly interesting in regards to DL schedule changes this week.
Everything there looks mostly to be scheduled seasonal reductions. Many of which have happened in previous years. DL now working on its winter schedule, tweaking frequencies to align capacity with projected demand.
B6 was already flying to Florida, but I guess it could be backhanded. More likely either seasonal or related to WN. We'll have to wait and see if these flights stick after March.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 2): Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Did not reinstate their flights deleted last week. In fact, they tweaked the end dates on some of them indicating it may be correct.
The flights seem to be open for bookings on their web-site...
Just checked Expedia and they are, in fact, gone after the end date. So either they must be pulling an Independence Air and only selling their seats through select channels going forward or they are incredibly inept. Seems like an odd move for them.
Looks like the whole airline shuts down in early December. I presume it is a seasonal deal. They had said they were considering a seasonal operation. The AirTran service is all year, right? Does Frontier continue as well?
These all have to be off. I know you didn't do anything wrong enrilia. But they're not dropping some of these routes. I know they were supposed to be moving onto a GDS soon. Would that be causing some of these weird "changes?"
That's CO's typical EWR-Florida schedules for Christmas and Easter break, going back to the '80s. Speaking as someone who has been flying EWR-Florida on CO since '89 this is their usual frequency increase, I remember 10 daily A300s EWR-MCO.
Is K5 giving up the ghost on their PDX operation, or is this a technical transfer to a sister carrier like Wings of Alaska? Pendleton is EAS service and they can't easily just pull up stakes there without a replacement...or if they do, they might solidly damage their ability to win addition EAS markets on which they continue to bid.
The Seaport website doesn't allow me to book PDX-BFI in January, but will let me book SLN-MCI for the same dates. If this means the Portland service (including the shuttle to Seattle Boeing) is kaput that's really too bad. I really like the idea that small aircraft point-to-point flying could be profitable in select markets, and Portland-Seattle BFI seemed like a niche. That's especially true considering that the no-TSA status means a reliably speedy pass through the airport.
UPDATE: Best I can tell, SeaPort received a good subsidy for the Newport and Astoria service starting in early 2009, and it ends in early 2011. That explains those two routes. PDX-BFI predates this subsidized service, I believe, and Pendleton is regular EAS which continues on. But it appears to all be ending.
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10576 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 8): I thought they had been ending it in October or November the last couple of years.
Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 9): My PDX-DTW routing in November (11/11) has been cancelled. Looks like they might be ending it a bit earlier?
You're both correct on these points. Delta just recently (in the last few days) updated their online schedule to reflect PDX-DTW ending 10/31, so my guess is the reduction of service NOV- hasn't made it into OAG for this week's update. I imagine we can look for the full extent of that change to appear in enilria's thread next week.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8029 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10423 times:
They've changed the start/end dates of DTW-PDX depending on the year. Some years it has lasted as long as December holidays, other years it has ended in November. Some years it starts as late as May other years earlier.
DTW-PDX hasn't been year-round since at least 2003.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 9516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10350 times:
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11): These all have to be off. I know you didn't do anything wrong enrilia. But they're not dropping some of these routes. I know they were supposed to be moving onto a GDS soon. Would that be causing some of these weird "changes?"
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 14): UPDATE: Best I can tell, SeaPort received a good subsidy for the Newport and Astoria service starting in early 2009, and it ends in early 2011. That explains those two routes. PDX-BFI predates this subsidized service, I believe, and Pendleton is regular EAS which continues on. But it appears to all be ending.
A system change really shouldn't impact it since they should be sending their schedules to Sabre electronically apart from anything going on with their systems, but if they are undertaking such a major IT related change it could be a good time to screw up your Sabre submission.
Then again, maybe it's correct.
There was a lot of debate about Bahamasair last week and sure enough their schedules are no longer selling on Expedia, etc. Maybe all the smart people are on vacation and the idiots are submitting the schedules.
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 14): Thanks as always for all the work you put in on this week after week...
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 14): Almost certain a (rare) typo...that's Salina (SLN) to Kansas City. They've been flying SLN-MCI for some time
Quoting OOSLC (Reply 7): Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SLC-MCI 0>3 JAN-
K5 is really gonna fly SLC-MCI? Hmm...kinda a long flight for a PC-12 eh?
Yes, my mistake.
SLN-MCI 0>3 JAN-
My fingers get used to typing the more common codes.
Quoting steex (Reply 15): Thanks as always for the updates, enilria!
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17): It was summer seasonal last year, though the years before it was year-round.
That makes sense. It's hard to imagine any domestic route to Atlanta really needing to be seasonal with all those connection options.
RJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10234 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 18): A system change really shouldn't impact it since they should be sending their schedules to Sabre electronically apart from anything going on with their systems, but if they are undertaking such a major IT related change it could be a good time to screw up your Sabre submission.
K5 and 1X have been having troubles keeping their GDS files/scheds. in order. On Branson Air Express, Worldpspan shows skeds ending end of OCT but on their website, mid DEC is the end. they will probably do a dynamic sched. change to update the GDS until the loads go in. K5 has dropped in and out of Wspan , so I wouldnt get too concerned about losing their PDX operation!
There will probably be adjustments again - right now looks like they have made a blanket move of all seasonal transatlantic routes to a June 1 start (including JFK-VLC, JFK-PSA, JFK-KBP,JFK-AGP - all not listed here). Given that Memorial Day will be on May 30, 2011, my bet is that many of these will probably restart around May 26 or 27, if not earlier.
knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3276 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9785 times:
Quoting RJNUT (Reply 19): K5 has dropped in and out of Wspan , so I wouldnt get too concerned about losing their PDX operation!
Any idea if this would affect the ability to book directly on the SeaPort website? Initially I thought that maybe the disappearance of all the PDX service was a glitch like you mention...dropping out of a GDS system, or moving to their sister carrier, or something like that. But the fact that at SeaPort's website it does let me book MCI-SLN in January but not PDX-BFI in January makes me think it really is toast.