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Airtran To Start TPA-SJU  
User currently offlineHeavyMX1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 305 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...m-tampa-to-san-juan-103077569.html

Wow, looks like some in your face games are begining.

Service is 2 X Daily.

[Edited 2010-09-16 13:14:50]


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User currently offlinejetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Wow.

I wonder who had planned this first: B6 or FL? B6 has yet to issue a press release, but an article earlier this week implied that B6 was the main target for this service when being pitched by the airport committee.

Interesting indeed.

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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Well this is also the effect of the new 737's coming into the fleet. Even with just 4 coming in 2 around the time the route starts, it creates more slack and possibilities of route. Now just need a MKE-SJU and that would be great!


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6491 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

From the article:

San Juan is a top destination for Tampa but our community travels to other airports to get nonstop service.

Does AA still fly this?

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 2):
Now just need a MKE-SJU and that would be great!

Is that a big market?



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Very, very interesting addition. Perhaps rather telling of where FL intends to send many of its new 737s - the Caribbean has been a gold mine for B6, why not for FL as well? I wonder if they are looking at making SJU a destination "focus city" a la RSW. If so, interesting possibilities are in store...

That said, it will be very interesting how this 3-way battle between AA, FL, and B6 pans out.

AA did slash its SJU ops, but has since restored most of the inter-island Eagle flying and brought back several frequencies to various mainland stations. It has stayed strong on competitive routes from SJU to spokes like PHL and IAD, and did not seem very afraid of FL when it brought BWI-SJU back. I'm almost certain they won't let TPA-SJU go without a fight, unless they want to make a statement to the folks at TPA who are throwing money at routes that are already served from the airport..

FL seems like a very leisure-centric carrier when it comes to the Caribbean, though it has ostensibly done well on MCO-SJU, a very heavy VFR route. FL is fairly big at TPA, but I don't think they serve too many locals given that they only fly to small markets like ROC, DAY, and GRR rather than Chicago, New York, D.C., etc. They'll have some advertising to do to get these TWO flights to work out, that's for sure.

B6 seems to have a knack for serving Florida-Caribbean VFR markets (in addition to the NE-Caribbean VFR markets), and should have no problem pulling this one off. If there will be one survivor, I would put my money on them. That said, B6 is no powerhouse at TPA (as we saw with the TPA-CUN flop), so it won't be a walk in the park, either.



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
the Caribbean has been a gold mine for B6, why not for FL as well?

How many times can the same gold be mined?


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5557 times:

Out of curiosity... the recent AA/B6 agreement, which I don't know the details of... does that include any collaboration in the Caribbean? If the are any FF benefits between AA & B6... FL might have a hard time on routes where AA is long established, problems which B6 now will not have...

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5151 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 6):


Out of curiosity... the recent AA/B6 agreement, which I don't know the details of... does that include any collaboration in the Caribbean? If the are any FF benefits between AA & B6... FL might have a hard time on routes where AA is long established, problems which B6 now will not have...

'902

So far the AA/B6 deal is on non-competitive routes out of JFK/BOS. There have been reports of deepening the relationship (so far it seems AA is more gung-ho than B6) but what form that may take is still very much up in the air.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 2):
Now just need a MKE-SJU and that would be great!

I would tend to think they would try MKE-NAS, MKE-PUJ, or even MKE-AUA before trying MKE-SJU. Also, let's see how they do on MKE-CUN this winter.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):
Is that a big market?

I'm sure you have plenty of folks in Wisconsin looking to escape to Puerto Rican beaches and Eastern Caribbean cruises, but it seems that the only flights to SJU that make money are those that serve a significant VFR component. This is why you see AA flying BWI-SJU instead of RDU-SJU, which would probably seem much more viable to the untrained eye.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7308 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1):
I wonder who had planned this first: B6 or FL? B6 has yet to issue a press release, but an article earlier this week implied that B6 was the main target for this service when being pitched by the airport committee.

Here is what I posted on the B6 thread...

My guess is that AirTran was 2nd to the party here. There was an article earlier in the week in the TPA paper about how JetBlue was at odds with the airport over an incentive for TPA-SJU, so FL was tipped they were working on it and probably prepared an announcement which they dropped 10 minutes after B6. It's highly unusual for either carrier to announce a route that doesn't involve a hub with more than 1 RT. This is a classic p---ing match and will be a financial disaster.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
My guess is that AirTran was 2nd to the party here. There was an article earlier in the week in the TPA paper about how JetBlue was at odds with the airport over an incentive for TPA-SJU, so FL was tipped they were working on it and probably prepared an announcement which they dropped 10 minutes after B6. It's highly unusual for either carrier to announce a route that doesn't involve a hub with more than 1 RT. This is a classic p---ing match and will be a financial disaster.

I really dont think they just decided 2 or 3 days ago to fly to SJU because of a newspaper article. It is coincidental but maybe the airport approached both and FL because they fly more routes and have been in the market far longer then Jetblue has been around, decided to make a bolder announcement as in immediate daily service. I see it being paired down by both to one time daily with extra frequencies on the weekends maybe. But then again FL could open it up to connections to some of these "small cities".



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

AA's daily SJU-TPA-SJU B757 days might be numbered; same thing happened when FL, B6, NK entered SJU-MCO market...AA's 4 daily A300's went away...that was one of the reasons. The fares crashed, too much capacity and AA's cost base could not work. SJU is becoming a LCC market more and more every day.

User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):

In order to get a leg up in SJU ..... IMO FL should base 4 717 in SJU and Operate them in SJU-SDQ/POP/STI
SJU-AUA/BGI/SXM, rotations feeding their B737 to MCO/ATL/MKE. SJU has the DHS facilities for all this
operation to work very well, the yield on this markets is perfect for 100seaters.
B6 has used a three airport approach to the PR customer base and has been very succesfull, using
SJU/ PSE/ BQN. Spirit at one time was considering a SJU base and then .... well they reconsidered.

As interesting as it seems SJU always goes on cycles ...Eastern / American / ??? SJU can not support a
"hub" as we know it, but it is located to be a great regional hub, create connections to N.America and beyond
and you may well find the right recipe for Success!


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6225 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

I'm sure the airline with the best fare will remain in the market, SJU is a price sensitve market. Yes, you have the AA loyals and advantage member but the majority of the populations is looking at the price of the ticket. B6 is very popular in the market and has more brand recognition that FL so I think they will have the upper hand in this new route (over FL). On the other hand, AA has been flying the route for years, but with FL and B6 bringing down ticket prices in the market the route might be gone in a couple of months. Good luck to all the players involved.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25405 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):
I would tend to think they would try MKE-NAS, MKE-PUJ, or even MKE-AUA before trying MKE-SJU. Also, let's see how they do on MKE-CUN this winter.

Is Airtran flying MKE-CUN this winter?

It isn't on the route map yet, you can't book it and they told the DOT they weren't planning to start the service until April.

Have they changed their minds?

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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Is Airtran flying MKE-CUN this winter?

No and it remains to be seen if they are actually going to start in April. A daily MKE-CUN flight during the summer makes no sense so lets see when they actually start service.



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User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 11):
AA's daily SJU-TPA-SJU B757 days might be numbered; same thing happened when FL, B6, NK entered SJU-MCO market...AA's 4 daily A300's went away...that was one of the reasons. The fares crashed, too much capacity and AA's cost base could not work. SJU is becoming a LCC market more and more every day.

I suspect that AA will exit this market in short order. And then FL will drop it at some point, and TPA will be worse off than before. AA is already down to 1x757 from the 2x757 it had just a few years ago, and at some point last year it was a 1x738 route.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting MoMan (Reply 16):
I suspect that AA will exit this market in short order.

Unless AA have an agreement with B6, i doubt they will run....they will stand and fight IMHO

Seriously though, if B6 ordered 20 aircraft and puts some cherry picking ops in MIA, they could get a foothold very fast and seriously hurt AA.

Places like LIM, PTY, SJO, GUA, POS, BZE, BOG, BGI....



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):

Wait until tommorow's announcement.....A.A. they are running allright!


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

Ok in the local news paper(El Nuevo dia)...
Nuevo Día learned that the airline is preparing to make the official announcement to all staff today at 12:30 pm ,
American Airlines reduces flights and jobs in Puerto Rico
Eliminates 16 flights and a number of places still uncertain

The changes, which are effective from the beginning on 6 April, resulting in a decline of 16 flights in total.

The airline confirmed that direct flights will be eliminated Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Tampa and Santo Domingo, en route to jet. While American Eagle will discontinue flights to Anguilla, La Romana, Puerto Plata, Trinidad and direct route to Haiti.
When this new plan comes into force, the company will have a total of 41 flights. Not until well into the coming months that American Airlines management will have a clearer idea of how many employees will be laid off.

In a written submission, the company said: "Given the current economic situation, American Airlines and American Eagle have had to make the difficult decision to reduce the number of flights in its operations in San Juan, Puerto Rico. It is difficult, more even when these changes will have an impact on our dedicated employees in Puerto Rico, an island in which we have served for nearly 40 years. In order to continue providing a profitable service to Puerto Rico, we must make changes that can help the company achieve this goal. "



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 19):
The airline confirmed that direct flights will be eliminated Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Tampa and Santo Domingo, en route to jet.

Man, never did I think I'd see the day when AA dropped BOS-SJU! But, I suppose if a AA/B6 codeshare is in the works, then its not a huge loss.

I still can't believe SJU mainline will be down to the five hubs (MIA/JFK/ORD/DFW and yes, LAX!) and then CCS, BDL, and IAD. I can understand CCS and BDL, but IAD? AA has done nothing but shrink out of the Washington market in recent years, I'm guessing some sort of contract is keeping that one in place. At least SJU will still have full size jet service available to BOS, BWI, PHL, TPA, and SDQ on other carriers.

As for the Eagle cuts, well, the more they cut those, the less full the mainland flights become. It's a slippery slope...



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6225 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

LAX is odd, while I know AA is comitted to the LAX hub/focus city whatever they consider the LAX station but this route amazes me that it continues to operate. The West coast does not have a large population of native Puerto Ricans and I doubt people from the west are going to vacation in Puerto Rico. Maybe they can make the flight work at 3 times a week, or whatever the frequency is now. Maybe since they are the only airline on the route they can pull a profit on the route. Enough of a profit to operate the route even when other links to SJU are being dropped.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Unless AA have an agreement with B6, i doubt they will run....they will stand and fight IMHO

Well I guess that theory has been sot to h3** (no offense).



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 20):
I still can't believe SJU mainline will be down to the five hubs (MIA/JFK/ORD/DFW and yes, LAX!) and then CCS, BDL, and IAD.

If B6 enters SJU-BDL, say bye-bye to AA on the route, if not before. And given the state of the Venezuelan economy and continued frosty US-Venezuela relations, I don't think CCS will last long either. UA serves IAD-SJU, so AA has no reason to fly that.

In the end, AA will do what it does best: focus on the hubs. This means that P2P flying will be dead on AA, and only flights originating from DFW, JFK/LGA, LAX, MIA, or ORD will be flown by AA/Eagle/Connection. No exceptions.



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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

AA is discontinuing TPA-SJU next year - Battle between B6 and FL now.

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