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Delta Flight Sim Technicians Reject IAM Yet Again  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 6 days ago) and read 4508 times:

Earlier in the year (can't remember) there was a vote and recently it was found Delta mgmt influenced the swing of votes (   ) and a new vote was called. They have yet again failed to muster enough support for representation. From a DLNet press release:

Quote:
A majority of Delta simulator technicians have again rejected representation by the International Association of Machinists, the National Mediation Board announced Thursday afternoon.

“We are pleased our combined simulator technician workgroup has once again chosen a direct relationship with Delta leaders,” said Steve Dickson, s.v.p.-Flight Operations. “This relationship is one of the most important aspects of our unique culture.”

There were 91 flight simulator technicians eligible to vote in this election. Of those, only 18 voted in favor of IAM representation, with 23 write-in votes.

This election was held under the old voting rules. Upcoming elections for flight attendants, ACS, Cargo, Reservation Sales and Stores employees will be held under the new voting rules, which means employees in these groups must vote to be counted.

There was also an internal memo with specifics but i'll leave it to the online news articles to post that stuff. So, now they can finally move on? ...


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User currently offlinebinmonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
There were 91 flight simulator technicians eligible to vote in this election. Of those, only 18 voted in favor of IAM representation, with 23 write-in votes.

41 out of 91 voted for representation, However the the IAM only had support form 18 of 41.
What does this say about support of IAM? Why did the faithful turn their back on the benifits of a IAM Contact?


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3947 times:

23 write-ins--what is that about?

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5679 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting binmonster (Reply 1):
Why did the faithful turn their back on the benifits of a IAM Contact?

Is any part of Delta IAM-represented?



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3706 times:
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The IAM doesn't take "no" for an answer - ever. They'll either complain this vote was somehow rigged against them or just keep coming back with organization drives year after year until they get their way. They're relentless.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 2):
23 write-ins--what is that about?

I would venture to guess that they wanted a union other than the IAM to represent them. So I guess the next time that the sim techs are eligible to organize (I can't remember offhand the exact time frame that has to elapse before a new union campaign can start, IIRC, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 12-18 months.), whoever the write-in choice was could potentially be the union that tries to organize.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
The IAM doesn't take "no" for an answer - ever. They'll either complain this vote was somehow rigged against them or just keep coming back with organization drives year after year until they get their way. They're relentless.

They've been trying on and off for over a decade at AirTran to organize their ramp, gate, and reservations agents. I worked at AirTran during the IAM election in 1999 and they were soundly defeated (IIRC, about a third of those eligible returned their ballots.). The IAM just regrouped and tried again later and were defeated yet again (In the interim, the IBT tried to organize the same group with similar results.).


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5679 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
They're relentless.

Too true...a close relative of mine is in law school doing the anti-union thing, he seems to be pretty good at it, here's hoping the IMA just gives up, but then again...that'd be too much to ask, wouldnt it?

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
IIRC, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 12-18 months.), whoever the write-in choice was could potentially be the union that tries to organize.
Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):

I would venture to guess that they wanted a union other than the IAM to represent them

Any union is better than IAM, isnt it?



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 2):
23 write-ins--what is that about?

Probably Mickey Mouse, Dan Quayle, etc. Or, there could be an in-house thing.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Quoting binmonster (Reply 1):

41 out of 91 voted for representation, However the the IAM only had support form 18 of 41.
What does this say about support of IAM? Why did the faithful turn their back on the benifits of a IAM Contact?

My thoughts exactly binmonster. BTW, there are some techs that are pretty pissy about the outcome. Some guy sent me an email saying I should meet up with him so he can explain the "facts". I guess what DL posted on DLNet is not fact because all I did was copy and paste...



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User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Seems more employees are using their vote in support of Delta's unique culture and direct relationship with management.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 9):
Seems more employees are using their vote in support of Delta's unique culture and direct relationship with management.

True. We will only see how things pan out for IFS. Everyone has to cast a vote for this thing to work. I think the outcome of the F/A vote will paint a fairly good picture on how the employees feel about representation.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
I think the outcome of the F/A vote will paint a fairly good picture on how the employees feel about representation.

All 4 votes left will do that assuming there is an almost 100% turnout. If participation is anemic, then there will always be lingering questions, regardless of the end result.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Let me ask, don't the "ballots" not have a "no" option? That's why people choose not to vote...because any ballot sent in is a "yes" vote!


Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):

My understanding is this is changing. Now, if you do not vote, that won't simply be counted as a no, that just narrows the field of candidates IAM needs to be voted in. I'm sure someone can better explain it than I. It's 1217 and i'm going to bed   You will have the option to vote No



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5648 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
BTW, there are some techs that are pretty pissy about the outcome.

Guess what, when you live in a democracy, sometimes you lose. They should get over it, or maybe they should also demonize their coworkers for, you know, having an opinion. :-|

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
Some guy sent me an email saying I should meet up with him so he can explain the "facts".

I'd be curious to see what new "facts" could be added. An election was held, and the union was turned down. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 9):
Seems more employees are using their vote in support of Delta's unique culture and direct relationship with management.

Nice copy and paste job.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 13):
All 4 votes left will do that assuming there is an almost 100% turnout

I haven't seen anything even close to a 75% turnout in any sort of election in the past 25 years.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 20):

I'd be curious to see what new "facts" could be added. An election was held, and the union was turned down. It doesn't get much clearer than that.



That's what i'm saying! I didn't reply because I choose to remain anonymous whole and I respond to certain people. Although I would Harv been glad to debate right here. My email is used for other reasons.



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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Excellent explanation on how the voting procedure changes
for the Air Line industry
http://vidego.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=h0fhi0ax


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 20):
I haven't seen anything even close to a 75% turnout in any sort of election in the past 25 years.

Me either.

That said, I still think it's imperative that these 4 coming up buck that trend. Hopefully, it won't be just wishful thinking on my part. And, like any of the other elections you and I have seen, those that choose not to participate have no room to complain about the outcome.



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