A couple of quick notes as I scan the slides:
** For financial comparison purposes with other companies they now include Expedia and RCL (Royal Caribbean). That ties to the view that Allegiant is a travel company first, not just an airline.
**For Q4 2010 and Q1 2011 Allegiant is providing future guidance of Scheduled ASMs - Q4 2010 +13 to 15%, Q1 2011 +2 to 5% and Scheduled departures - Q4 2010 +14 to 16%, Q1 2011 +3 to 6%
I have not listened yet to webcasts from the conferences to see if there is anything I pick up.
But the WSJ blog ( online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100916-708674.html ) is mentioning a couple of things from the UBM conference in New York this week:
** 757s will take 18 months to fully integrate into the fleet
** Allegiant is still looking at deciding to keep purchasing MDs as they come on the market or switching to buying 737-800 or A320 aircraft. This is really not new info, Allegiant has said several times over the last few years that they continue to crunch numbers on various options.
** Supposedly Allegiant just bought a 757 to break up for parts (that goes along with their breaking up of MDs for parts to keep their own costs low, Allegiant is also now one of the largest sellers of used MD parts in the marketplace)
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N471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1181 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter): ** Supposedly Allegiant just bought a 757 to break up for parts (that goes along with their breaking up of MDs for parts to keep their own costs low,
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3022 times:
Quoting N471wn (Reply 1): This would be surprising----source?
About the 757? It is in the online WSJ for subscribers at online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100916-708674.html. (a.net isn't liking it as a link)
If you mean about breaking up MDs, G4 has mentioned that several times over the years in financials and in Conference Calls. They buy MDs that they have no intention of flying just to use the parts.
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aloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2301 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
They mentioned an average stage length for Hawaii flights of 2866 miles...sounds like they're planning to go past the coast, atleast on a few flights.
Also specified 217 seats....so it won't be a total sardine can.
Any information on where crews will be based? I would think HNL so they can serve mainland cities without Allegiant crew bases as turns (continue to avoid layover/hotel costs). EUG, FAT, SCK, etc 2, 3 or 4 times per week.
Turns should work for F/As, might not for pilots....could they could staff an extra pilot to extend duty time?
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[Edited 2010-09-16 18:44:51]
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FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 18 Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 3): They mentioned an average stage length for Hawaii flights of 2866 miles...sounds like they're planning to go past the coast, atleast on a few flights.
Yep COS is one on the short list for the future.
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 3): Any information on where crews will be based? I would think HNL so they can serve mainland cities without Allegiant crew bases as turns (continue to avoid layover/hotel costs). EUG, FAT, SCK, etc 2, 3 or 4 times per week.
Last I heard it was going to be a HNL base. They have also been doing hiring in HNL for maintenance.
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 3): Turns should work for F/As, might not for pilots....could they could staff an extra pilot to extend duty time?
Rumors I've heard is the discussion was going on between the company and pilots about whether it would be an augmented crew or two crews.
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eta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2009 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter): ** Supposedly Allegiant just bought a 757 to break up for parts (that goes along with their breaking up of MDs for parts to keep their own costs low, Allegiant is also now one of the largest sellers of used MD parts in the marketplace)
Comes close to when NW bought a Swissair 747-300 for spare parts!
lucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 3): Also specified 217 seats....so it won't be a total sardine can.
I don't know....when Delta ran SONG 757's in an all-coach configuration, they held 199. If Allegiant is going with 217, that means they've somehow managed to squeeze in 3 ADDITIONAL rows. Sounds rather tight to me.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2745 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter): ** Allegiant is still looking at deciding to keep purchasing MDs as they come on the market or switching to buying 737-800 or A320 aircraft. This is really not new info, Allegiant has said several times over the last few years that they continue to crunch numbers on various options.
Here's desperately hoping G4 gets a new a/c in the fleet that can do East Coast-LAS reliably, and soon!
alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4657 posts, RR: 45 Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6):
I don't know....when Delta ran SONG 757's in an all-coach configuration, they held 199. If Allegiant is going with 217, that means they've somehow managed to squeeze in 3 ADDITIONAL rows. Sounds rather tight to me.
DLs song config was done with non-slimline (of the newer variety at least) seats with 33-34" pitch.
Take away an inch or two of pitch and add slimlines and you can easily fit the incremental 18 seats (3 rows of 6....)
tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3687 posts, RR: 34 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6): when Delta ran SONG 757's in an all-coach configuration, they held 199. If Allegiant is going with 217, that means they've somehow managed to squeeze in 3 ADDITIONAL rows. Sounds rather tight to me
The European charter config was usually 229 seats.
and they flew that on 6 hr sectors from Scandinavia to the Canaries.
and that was 10 years ago B4 slimline seats were invented!
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2745 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2141 times:
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6): when Delta ran SONG 757's in an all-coach configuration, they held 199. If Allegiant is going with 217, that means they've somehow managed to squeeze in 3 ADDITIONAL rows. Sounds rather tight to me.
It could be that they plan to do like they've done/discussed on the MDs - they may remove a galley on the a/c to accomomodate at least some of the extra seats.
Falcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
Should anything be read into the fact that a range map from Sanford for the 757 was shown in addition to LAS in that presentation ?
My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
clemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1842 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 7): Here's desperately hoping G4 gets a new a/c in the fleet that can do East Coast-LAS reliably, and soon!
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2745 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1821 times:
Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 14): Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 7):
Here's desperately hoping G4 gets a new a/c in the fleet that can do East Coast-LAS reliably, and soon!
spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1497 times:
I've been hoping for SWF-LAS for a long time! I wouldn' t even mind a red eye return, I can drive back to CT easily at that time, unlike JFK where I have to battle traffic and lack of sleep.
flyawa From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1475 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter): ** Supposedly Allegiant just bought a 757 to break up for parts (that goes along with their breaking up of MDs for parts to keep their own costs low, Allegiant is also now one of the largest sellers of used MD parts in the marketplace)
There have been alot of upbeat releases this week beginning Monday morning from Allegiant, in what may have been very somber. Any word yet on MD parts or repairs needed for N887GA following last week's incident at LCH?
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