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FedEx Pilot Furloughs After The Holidays? - Any info?  
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

I have been hearing from some FedEx managers that Fed Ex was going to begin pilot furloughs after the first of the year. I can't find anything online yet other than the CEO saying that they have increased times on the ground and seeing a slowdown in its air freight operations yesterday. Are the 757 and 777's going to lead to fleet retirements at Fed Ex causing and over-staffing issue. Does anybody have any information? I have friends at Fed Ex and hate to see them furloughed.

[Edited 2010-09-17 09:57:43]

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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

Earlier this week FedEx did announce that they would be slashing 1500 jobs despite what they see as an uptick in the economy. My guess is some of these job cuts may be furloughs.

User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
My guess is some of these job cuts may be furloughs.

The press release stated all of the furloughs will be from the FedEx Freight and LTL integrations (trucking division).


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

From what I hear, they are about to open pilot hiring soon - sometime in the spring. The bases will be ANC and HKG from what I am told.

User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 2):
The press release stated all of the furloughs will be from the FedEx Freight and LTL integrations (trucking division

Correct, merging FedEx Freight and FedEx National. Will be renamed FedEx Freight. They are combining facilities and the reduction of jobs will be done by seniority.

Those who are not sticking around will have a choice of either reassignment within the company or a solid package if they choose to leave.

I have not heard anything regarding pilot furloughs.



Go big or go home
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

This was expressly pilot furloughs from Fedex Express managers. They said with the 757 and 777 replacing 727 and dc-10 and md-11's along with the slowdown they are experiencing that furloughs will start after the first of the year. I hope not. They have a verbage in the contract to drop the guarantee down to 50 hours from I think 70. I asked if they could just invoke that. They said they would be overstaffed still by 500 or so pilots. They said that the 777 and looking at 777 bcf's would replace the md11 on intl routes and use less aircraft combined with the CEO saying airfreight has slowed. They said the md-11 would be moved domestic to replace the dc-10 or md-10 along with replacing some multiple airbus destiantions. The 727 would be gone with the 75 replacing it. With 77 frames with a flight engineer and dropping them would add another 77 to the over staff. They also said that they might be moving air volume to ground with the new transit times reducing the amout of frames needed.

I really hope it isn't going to happen. If anybody knows anything let us know.


User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3139 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6820 times:

The only 3-pilot a/c they have left are the 727s. They don't have many of those left. Most of the FE's on those aircraft are already over 65 let alone 60.

Just heard from a FX pilot this week that they may be hiring a few in 2011.



DMI
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Pilotpip,

Thats good news to hear.

The last FedEx Pilot I had jumpseat was a mangler (Manager). He confirmed that a furlough was in discussion at Fed Ex. He said that domestic freight was flat and INTL was slowing. He said that starting in 2011 that they would be shifting domestic volume to trucks like UPS has done for years to increase profit. He said the way the law was that Express couldn't go via FedEx Ground before. He mentioned that Fedex is streamlining operations as mentioned above with FedEx Freight. This would allow FedEx Express to move air packages via FedEx Ground. It would reduce costs and increase profits. It would cut down the amount of planes needed drastically. FedEx is a great company and it makes sense. I just hate to see people I know out of work. We lost 70 pilots this year until the company called off the furlough.


User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

FedEx Ground already moves FedEx Express packages in their trucks and has done so for several years. That mangler/manager doesn't know what he is talking about.

User currently offlinefxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 7):
He said that starting in 2011 that they would be shifting domestic volume to trucks like UPS has done for years to increase profit.

I wonder if that reignite the ole RLA argument?? FedEx used the reasoning that such a higher percentage of the volume is moved by air that it qualified them under RLA. Moving more to ground would seem to negate that argument and open the door for a change to NLRB.

Just curious, when does the FDX pilot contract become amendable??? Timing is everything.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 7):
We lost 70 pilots this year until the company called off the furlough.

105; and they're still "lost", with many more to come as the furlough isn't "called off", just suspended for a month



FLYi
User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting pilotpip (Reply 6):
The only 3-pilot a/c they have left are the 727s. They don't have many of those left. Most of the FE's on those aircraft are already over 65 let alone 60.

Believe it or not, I think they have more 727's than any other type of fleet, of course that won't be the case over the next couple years.

Also, who knows how the possible new rest rule changes will change things.



Too lazy to work, too scared to steal!
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

PitRules,

Your right and they are still lost. I forgot to put the word Temp. before called off. Thanks for catching it. I really doubt there will be more before peak. Our Manglers are flying a lot more and the system seems to be at it's breaking point. I'm hoping with retirements that he 105 will be back soon.

Exmemwidget,

See thats what I told him too and he said no way that they couldn't put Express volume in the ground system.

FXRA,

You are right the FED EX Pilots contract becomes amendable October 31,2010 so it looks like a furlough at Fed Ex could very well be in the works. I heard that FedEx Express drivers were going to offer early retirement, transfer to FedEx Ground (Contractor) or a package to leave. I asked him about that. He said the the whole labor debate would be a moot point since they would eliminate the Express drivers that are covered under the NLA and everything would be delivered by the Fed Ex Ground driver which is a contractor that is not part of any union.

Sounds like alot of people will get the shaft and Fed Ex would increase profits "Overnight"

[Edited 2010-09-18 18:54:04]

User currently offlinenightflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 95 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

We're looking at hiring 100 to 150 pilots next year not furloughing. The managers that you've been talking to are clueless.

User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

FX pilots recently went back to a normal schedule (from reduced hours) because they are short staffed. Many 777 pilots may time out before the end of the year. Staffing is very thin on the 757 and Hong Kong. Instructors are being pulled from training to fly revenue flights. Reserves are actually flying a lot too (rare at the fed).

Doesn't sounds like a furlough is likely.


User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 10):
wonder if that reignite the ole RLA argument?? FedEx used the reasoning that such a higher percentage of the volume is moved by air that it qualified them under RLA. Moving more to ground would seem to negate that argument and open the door for a change to NLRB.

FedEx has been fighting the RLA situation for awhile now. While most Express volume is moved by air, quite a bit is moved by truck. FedEx Express uses their own trucks to move regional packages, but they also use common carriers (Ozark, Prime, US Express, etc) to move Express packages between hubs and ramps. FedEx Ground also moves Express packages between Express hubs and ramps. While the Express packages never enter the Ground sort system, FedEx Ground is increasingly moving more volume than in the past. In most cases, they are simply replacing some routes that were previously operated by common carriers.


User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Sean and Night,

Thats what I thought. He told me that HKG staffing they were offering 10k and $2800 a month to pilots to live in HKG because nobody wants to go there. He said with training on the 777 being backed up they are also contracting freight. Also the 4a 2b (I think thats what he called it) ended because of the world economic growth at the beginning of the year. I told him it didn't make sense. He said that the growth is slowing, as soon as they can get pilots trained on the 75 and 77 they will start parking more planes after the holidays (727, airbus and DC-10/MD-10) and moving more domestic volume to truck. The 777 flying intl at the same pay rate as the MD-11 they could use less aircraft flying more volume. The MD-11 will be pulled in to domestic flying reducing crews. When he said shifting more volume to ground from air, I started thinking that it could happen since UPS does it.

What I can't figure out is Fed Ex added another flight to China so why would they if volume was slowing. I can only come up with if they didn't use it they would lose it like whats happened to other carriers in the past.

Anyway tough times in Cargo

[Edited 2010-09-19 05:58:18]

User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 16):
What I can't figure out is Fed Ex added another flight to China so why would they if volume was slowing. I can only come up with if they didn't use it they would lose it like whats happened to other carriers in the past.

From what I hear, international volume is increasing here at Purple. We recently added back the ANC-AFW flight to move the increased volume of freight coming out of Asia. We are also experiencing an increase in alternate routing of freight due to aircraft being maxed out in available space and/or weight.

[Edited 2010-09-19 06:10:10]

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