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UA/CO Shareholders Agree Merger  
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11236 times:

I suspect it was nver in doubt. Overwhelmimgly endorsed by both sets of shareholders.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United...olders-bw-3897383910.html?x=0&.v=1

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6500 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

From what I heard from a friend, there will be three aircraft painted in the new colos/titles by merge close (1Oct10). Not sure what aircraft and if they are UA or CO aircraft. Things will go very quick from here with signage starting to change soon after 1October.

The777Man



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User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Things will go very quick from here with signage starting to change soon after 1October.

How much can they actually change until they merge operations and get a single certificate? What is the timeline for getting a single operator's certificate and actually operating as a single entity?


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5726 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11071 times:

Quoting burj (Reply 2):
How much can they actually change until they merge operations and get a single certificate? What is the timeline for getting a single operator's certificate and actually operating as a single entity?

They can change everything. See the Delta NW merger. Everything was pretty much changed, as far as the customer could see, before SOC.

The answer to your second question has been made public by Smisek. I can't remember the details- do a search.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10927 times:

So starting October we will see cross fleeting? What can we speculate or are there good indications from yall insiders on what routes will see CO birds and/or UA birds? There was a healthy thread on this yesterday but it vanished.


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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10774 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 4):
So starting October we will see cross fleeting

Feb / Mar for cross fleet/route planning activities.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 5):
Feb / Mar for cross fleet/route planning activities.

I'm anticipating a lot of changes and "creativity";

More Widebodies at EWR for Trans-Atlantic flights
757-300s on West Coast-Hawaii flights
UA domestic 757s EWR-Florida/Caribbean, IAH-Latin America/West Coast/Florida
CO 737-800s/737-900ERs LAX/SFO-BOS, BWI, PHL, MCO etc..
CR7s & E70s EWR-DTW, MSP, ATL, YYZ, DCA, PIT, RDU, YUL etc..



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10609 times:

I for one cannot wait to see a 747 on the "new" colours.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10889 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

CHICAGO/NEW YORK (Reuters) – UAL Corp (UAUA.O), parent of United Airlines, will buy Continental Airlines Inc (CAL.N) for $3.2 billion, forming the world's largest carrier in a merger that further shrinks the embattled U.S. airline industry and could drive up air fares, sources said on Sunday.


Air fares will be driven up no doubt. Frequent flyer program will be diluted. More air miles for less value/awards.
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User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
ICAGO/NEW YORK (Reuters) – UAL Corp (UAUA.O), parent of United Airlines, will buy Continental Airlines Inc (CAL.N) for $3.2 billion, forming the world's largest carrier in a merger that further shrinks the embattled U.S. airline industry and could drive up air fares, sources said on Sunday.

I thought UAL Corp was buying CAL and forming a new holding company - United-Continental Holdings? The first sentence of that article makes it sound like that UAL corporation is buying CAL.N. Please correct me if i'm wrong in my interpretation of the merger.

Also - I heard that while Continental will continue to operate on a separate operation certificate that the flights will be branded as United until the certificates are merged. For example, if you are flying IAH to CLT on Continental it will be announced as "Welcome aboard United Airlines flight **** to Charlotte, operated by Continental" - is this true and when will that start? I am flying from IAH to DCA on October 1st and am just wondering if i'll be ablle to have one more flight on the true Continental?


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2272 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 9):
Also - I heard that while Continental will continue to operate on a separate operation certificate that the flights will be branded as United until the certificates are merged. For example, if you are flying IAH to CLT on Continental it will be announced as "Welcome aboard United Airlines flight **** to Charlotte, operated by Continental" - is this true and when will that start? I am flying from IAH to DCA on October 1st and am just wondering if i'll be ablle to have one more flight on the true Continental

I would imagine that will begin as soon as the merger closes on Oct 1st. Delta did this right away once their merger closed in Oct 2008, flights were "Delta XXX operated by Northwest". Northwest Airlink flights were all announced as DL Connection flights. I imagine COExpress will be announced as United Express also.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10889 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10099 times:

Bad news for passengers, bad news for employees. Doubt it will have any effect on service standards as bigger often means worse, less competition in market place means higher fares and less incentive to provide good service, frequencies will likely be reduced as the sum will probably be less than the two parts, people will lose jobs.   


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9905 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
Bad news for passengers, bad news for employees.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Frequent flyer program will be diluted. More air miles for less value/awards.

Good news for passengers , good new for employees. More destinations served , a more complete network means pax will have more options . If fares increase slightly it may enable the airline to stay in business ,as for dilution of the frequent flyer programme let's face it , there is not much point in holding hundreds of thousands of miles earned by buying loss-making fares in the frequent flyer programme of an airline which no longer exists because it couldn't make enough profit to survive. If the new airline is better able to compete and make some profits that means more stability for the vast majority of employees , some jobs being lost ( as hard as that is if one of those jobs is yours ) is far better than tens of thousands of jobs being lost .

[Edited 2010-09-18 14:49:58]


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User currently offlinelaphroig From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
less competition in market place means higher fares and less incentive to provide good service

I cant figure out why less competition due to liquidation is considered a good thing on a-net and less competition due to mergers is seen as bad. Low fares are unsustainable if the carrier cant make a reasonable profit.

It seems to me with more than one big carrier in the US market and with all the LCCs there is plenty of competition - merger or no merger. The issue has been unsustainable excess capacity, and some reduction there would seem to be a good thing for the health of the overall market. I'm sure there are routes where the $99 roundtrip special is going to become an endangered species over the next 3-5 years, but honestly I don't believe those fares were often (ever??) driven by head-to-head UA / CO competition.


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9856 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):

I tend to disagree. While some routes will be shed, they will be re-aligned to different hubs to take advantage of new efficiencies of the combined UA/CO, just take a look at DL/NW. While some flying to CVG has been shed, it has been shifted to DTW or MSP or ATL. Take a look at the HP/US merger, while LAS and PIT flying was reduced, it was shifted to CLT, PHL, and PHX. Overall, between the new US and new DL, it doesn't look like any flying was shed due to the merger, but more so due to the economy, while some of that flying that was shed during the downturn is returning. All in all, this is not only good for the passengers, its good for the employees and even better for the shareholders.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 5):
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 4):
So starting October we will see cross fleeting

Feb / Mar for cross fleet/route planning activities.

Does this mean announcements of new UA/CO routes shortly after the merger close on Oct 1st, with service on those new routes starting in Feb/Mar 2011?



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8918 times:

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 9):
I thought UAL Corp was buying CAL and forming a new holding company - United-Continental Holdings?

UAL Corp is buying CAL and then enacting a name change becoming United Continental Holdings Corp.



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 16):
UAL Corp is buying CAL and then enacting a name change becoming United Continental Holdings Corp.

And taking on CAL executives and board members in roughly half of the total positions.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8859 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 17):
Quoting United1 (Reply 16):
UAL Corp is buying CAL and then enacting a name change becoming United Continental Holdings Corp.

And taking on CAL executives and board members in roughly half of the total positions.

Exactly but as his initial question had nothing to do with the leadership structure of the combined airline I'm not sure why it was necessary to point that out.



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User currently offlineboeingdotcom From Singapore, joined Nov 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Quick question, will continental's B737NG and B772ER and B787 jets be affected? It seems to be that United uses A320 family jets for US domestic flight and they're ordering A350.

Benjamin



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User currently offlineBraniff727Ultra From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

I am somewhat amused by the "sky is falling" predictions over this merger. Yes certain aspects that are overlap or already in place at United will go away but as we all know too well just to keep xyz positions in place "because" is part of the over arching problem with the industry as a whole.

As was correctly stated in a few of the other posts, it is unrealistic to expect airlines too stay in business if they cannot generate a self sustaining revenue stream based on the fare structure they have in place. (Eastern, PanAm, TWA ...) Yet the general public "gasps" over a rate increase by any of the airlines; as if we were entitled too a SWA type fare to fly from LAX to LHR. (as if!!)

I do realize that in several instances airlines have created very unsustainable practices that lead to their downfall which has had a domino effect of several legacy carriers during the late 80's to mid 90's.


User currently offlineBraniff727Ultra From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

Boeing;

your comment/question regarding the faite of the 787 orders is moot. Both carriers were on board for the 787, but I feel that the new United will have a fleet of both 787 & 350's as the backbone of their longhaul capacity. Each is suited to certain segments and will compliment not compete with each other in the long run. Certainly this is one of the major subjects that both management teams have discussed prior to and after the merger was announced.

What will be of more immediate concern is what to do with the 737's that Continental is flying as United has divested itself of that model. My guess is they will be moving the newer ones to some of the leasing companies and the older ones will be grounded within the year.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8679 times:
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Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 21):
What will be of more immediate concern is what to do with the 737's that Continental is flying as United has divested itself of that model. My guess is they will be moving the newer ones to some of the leasing companies and the older ones will be grounded within the year.

I don't think that anything will happen to them ( or to the A320s either for that matter ) for a few years at least , other than the gradual withdrawal of the remaining -500s as more -700s enter the fleet , while there may be some rationalisation of fleet usage there is no way that they can afford to remove either the 737 or A320 fleets in total - that is simply too much capacity to take out .



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 21):
What will be of more immediate concern is what to do with the 737's that Continental is flying as United has divested itself of that model. My guess is they will be moving the newer ones to some of the leasing companies and the older ones will be grounded within the year.

The 737NGs aren't going anywhere. They are the backbone of the CO fleet and entirely different than UA's older 733 and 735 aircraft. Here's a comparison of CO 737s and UA 320 family aircraft.

737NG: 204 active aircraft with an average age of 8 years. 46 more NGs on order. All NGs are in the process of being converted to individual TV screens with Direct TV.
CO 735: 35 active aircraft with an average age of 14 years. There are no video screens or audio on the 735 according to SeatGuru.


UA 320: 97 active aircraft with an average age of 12.3 years
UA 319: 55 active aircraft with an average age of 10.6 years
No 320 family aircraft are on order.
UA's 319/320 aircraft have overhead screens with movies and short subjects, which is what CO has on its non-converted NG aircraft..

The 735 aircraft is likely to go depending on the economy and fuel prices, even though CO put winglets on some of the 735s. Note that the UA 319 has 6 more seats than the CO 735.


User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 23):
The 737NGs aren't going anywhere. They are the backbone of the CO fleet and entirely different than UA's older 733 and 735 aircraft. Here's a comparison of CO 737s and UA 320 family aircraft.

The "legacy" United was quite well known for (over) utilizing its fleet to the maximum capacity, especially the narrowbodies. The A320s are the workhorse of the domestic fleet. IIRC a lot of the 735s are being used from IAH-Mexico flights, and the longer routes are being used for transcon and medium length routes.

The new United will operate almost as many 757s as they will 737s, and United's 757s are some of the oldest in their fleet--some top out at 20 years old. But the routes they serve are not only profitable, but are are important to the route network. Before the merger, I was expecting UA to follow up their widebody order with a small but significant narrowbody order, to replace the 752s. I still expect something to happen, following the announcement of Boeing and Airbus' narrowbody plans, but the 757s (and to a lesser extent, the 737s) of the combined fleet I think make it all more interesting.


25 DCA-ROCguy : "Overcapacity" is an Airliners.net myth. Good management can make airlines profitable, and investors still back the industry. If you think fares aren
26 AA737-823 : The new airline will have 285 737's, and only 152 Airbus narrows, and yet you're calling for a parking of the 737 fleet? I don't get that one at all.
27 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Exciting times are in store! I just can't wait to see how the merger pans out. I would imagine they would probably use CO aircraft, as it would requir
28 UAL777UK : I dont see the dumping of any fleets from any airline in the near furture, they IMHO will just mesh them together to get the best synergies and go fro
29 STT757 : Prior to announcing the merger UA stated their interests in the C-Series, I think the C-Series would find a nice niche in UA's fleet between the CR-7s
30 CALPSAFltSkeds : This makes sense, but before integration of flight crews will this affect employee morale with CO equipment taking on longer flights and UA taking on
31 Post contains images CIDflyer : would Q400's be allowed to operate at ORD though? I thought there was a clause that prohibited prop jet flying out of ORD. In any case, I would be wo
32 laphroig : I guess my "a" got stuck in your "seat cushion." Have a nice day.
33 The777Man : I disagree; I think one of the aircraft may be a UA 777; there haven't been any new UA 777s out with the new seats for a while and I think one of the
34 drerx7 : Signs are pointing to schedules uploaded next month for Jan/Feb; however, someone hinted that there may be something in the works for Oct in the thre
35 bobnwa : There will be a fairly sizable combined operation in BOS, that needs to be sorted out into one location.
36 iloveboeing : I totally agree on both points here. If there was so much "overcapacity," then why are so many flights oversold and when weather disrupts the entire
37 Adam T. : So in your scenario how would that work for my friend who is a CO FA based out of IAH and flys on 737s? If the 737s are being relegated to UA routes
38 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : I apologize for being rude. It's perfectly fair to make different arguments, and disagreements are no reason to snap at one another. We're all suppos
39 N505FX : Why are you stating this crap as if it is fact? You have no evidence, other than your own opinion and the worries of some consumer watch hound groups
40 sancho99504 : Why do so many people call for the end of A32x flying? I prefer the A32x of the B737 any day of the week. For one, there is more personal space with t
41 norcal : Airlines don't plan capacity around emergency situations. If they did that they would lose a ton of money. If you don't like dealing with bad weather
42 Post contains images UnitedTristar : I would think that the airbus would be moved from ORD to EWR as they are better suited for longer stagelength trips and the 737's would move to ORD f
43 vin2basketball : This is true to an extent. Having lots of capacity in and of itself isn't a bad thing. However, the majority of CLE's capacity is on unprofitable 50
44 Max Q : A very sad day, a great shame for all of us at Continental. We are seing our fine Airline and all our hard work destroyed for no reason.
45 TOMMY767 : Not really. CO 753s have overhead IFE just like the UA domestic 767s and 757s. I'd call UA's 767s superior compared to CO 753s because they have a do
46 drerx7 : Airbus better suited for longer stage length? Based on what? Fuel burn? IFE? COs 737s have a superior product (save for E+) than UA 319/320s. CO 753s
47 N505FX : Oh please, CO was the #4 airline, had a so so product (regardless of what fanboys here say) and lop-sided route network, joining with UA will CO rout
48 CALPSAFltSkeds : I don't know if UA will be upgrading their overhead TVs on their domestic 753s, but CO is in the process of installing individual TVs with Direct TV.
49 Post contains images TOMMY767 : Extremely true about the CASM but there is nothing wrong with UA's domestic 763s. CO hasn't had an aircraft like UA domestic 777s and 763s used for l
50 STT757 : They are are better suited to be retrofitted with BusinessFirst cabins and replace 757s on Trans-Atlantic flights from EWR.
51 CALPSAFltSkeds : I agree with you that the 739ER isn't the best aircraft for Hawaii, especially during the heaviest seasonal winds. However, the reason I posted the 7
52 TOMMY767 : Maybe. They seem to work pretty well for UA currently. At a certain point it comes down to weight. Are AVOD systems heavier then CO's directv system?
53 STT757 : UA does not have 757-300s, nor do they have 757-200s flying dozens of trans-Atlantic routes. There are reasons both CO and UA are pursuing the merger
54 Post contains images UnitedTristar : I think the 757-300's will show up rather quickly on p.s. too -m
55 TOMMY767 : Sorry my bad -- I quoted your entry wrong. What I meant UA's domestic 763s work well for their network and not sure if they will be converted for int
56 STT757 : That's 71% of the fleet just for P.S..
57 drerx7 : I don't think that we will see this mass removal of the domestic widebody fleet from Hawaii - there are not enough birds (especially 753s) to recoup t
58 STT757 : 757-300s can replace the 767-300s on West Coast-Hawaii, leave the 777s on SFO-HNL-SFO-OGG and LAX-HNL.
59 drerx7 : ...and ORD-HNL, ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD. I can also see the domestic 777 takeover IAH-HNL-GUM and free up the 764s.
60 CALPSAFltSkeds : If you look at the CO 753 and 752 vs. the UA 752PS, the CO BF product with full lie flat seats has the same legrrom as the UA Business Product on the
61 CALPSAFltSkeds : NOTE, the UA Internationally configured 763 has 33 fewer seats than the CO 753. While they offer more higher priced seats, the question is if they ca
62 laphroig : No worries. Its an emotional issue and there will be emotional discussions. I see it as a matter of balance Yes we all want low fares and don't want
63 TOMMY767 : I think IAD and EWR will get UA mainline to LAX/SFO not PS. Likely a mix of 737, 319/320, 757 and 777
64 quiet1 : Getting qualified on a new aircraft type is only a 1/2-day class for a flight attendant. Classroom instruction and then hands-on/evac testing in a mo
65 Post contains images United1 : I agree....P.S. was not designed for hub to hub routes (which is exactly what LAX/SFO-IAD/EWR are going to be. Besides JFK the only city on the East
66 DC8FanJet : Only restrictions at ORD are ramp space driven. The Q400 has a very large wingspan. When AAEagle went all jet, United decided their express operation
67 Schweigend : CO has a big hard-on for the 753 (forgive my terminology) -- but, as you say, getting used ones from the other operators might not be viable. I like
68 Antoniemey : They will be keeping them and flying them, probably longer than the A320s currently on-hand... though those won't go anywhere any time soon, either.
69 tpaewr : True, because you are looking at it from the *outside*. From there yes the new UA looks amazing, and in fact it may well be such. Clearly 3.5 class 7
70 United1 : DL is the only PW powered 753 operator...the rest all use RR engines.
71 Antoniemey : Ah... so if any of the other operators WERE willing to unload them, they would be common with CO's current frames. Good to know, but given who those
72 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Big illusion!!!! The main (actually only) purpose of mergers is to make money for the shareholders and executives by reducing choices so that prices
73 kgaiflyer : How silly. If you really feel this way, then tell your CO stockholders they are horrible people (if you dare). There was no strong arm -- they were n
74 N505FX : Nope looking at it from the inside, buddy. And it is only a doomsday acrimonious situation if the CO folks and some UA folks keep up their arrogant a
75 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : It seems safe to say that everyone here agrees that airlines need to make money. But I for one would question how much the cost of running an airline
76 FlyPNS1 : Not sure where you are flying, but I too fly out of the DC area and I haven't seen an increase of that magnitude. Fares are up, but not by that much.
77 DualQual : For a time (I am not sure if it is still the case) a 9ER could not be dispatched to LGA. I am not sure the reason. The other issue is the lack of bey
78 Post contains links United1 : I have not heard about the limits on LGA but obviously adding DCA would be predicated on getting perimeter slots. I don't see UA running P.S. out of
79 ikramerica : I think the 739/ER as a PS fleet, and taking the 757s back for hawaii and europe, might be a good idea. Drawback: smaller aircraft. Solution: one more
80 TOMMY767 : Right sizing at certain times of the day but honestly IAD and EWR will need widebodies to LAX and SFO for international connections.
81 DCA-ROCguy : Just as passengers need to pay reasonable, sustainable fares, unions need to accept that the economic landscape has changed. As for so many of us, th
82 United1 : The P.S. 752s are not ETOPS so they would have to be retrofitted for domestic service.
83 Max Q : With the debt load and UAL's ancient fleet combined with Smiseks very poor 'management' record I predict a bankkruptcy filing within three years. You
84 ual777 : Ancient fleet? Please. The average age is only 12.4 years old or something like that.
85 FriendlySkies : You of course realize that UA's debt load has been decreasing since exiting bankruptcy, right? And then there's that $1.2 billion in operating synerg
86 TOMMY767 : Yeah I just read a huge lie. Thank you.
87 N505FX : Oh, and UAL having the best hedge book in the business, and tons of tax credits still to be realized. Not sure why you are so pessimistic, if you are
88 tpaewr : From inside? You work for CO? If so how long? I don't want to see this fail, while I can sympathize with Max Q. I don't share the negativity (well to
89 N505FX : CO's future wasnt as rosy as its past, and something had to be done, or else others were going to push CO further down the chain when other mergers h
90 tpaewr : I don't disagree, when Tilton cornered us/CO with the US merger it was over. It was in everyones best interest to surrender. I get that; it doesn't m
91 N505FX : Why look at it that, it is a done deal, the rank and file really have no choice but to get on board, do a great job and make the whole thing succeed,
92 TOMMY767 : Yes Tilton "Cornered" CO but technically CO wins anyway because Smisek is running the show by 2012.
93 N505FX : Judging a "win" by whose CEO ascends, is a strange way to look at a merger. A win for a merger is a successful combined company, prosperous sharehold
94 Post contains links United787 : One just came out of the shop and is flying around so I assume it is not in CO colors as I am sure we would have heard about it by now... United Exis
95 The777Man : There's a picture in the Airliners.net database of N788UA in all-white colors from PEK from early September so perhaps that will be the one in new co
96 United1 : Could you link that? The newest photo I can find of 788 is from august and its in battleship grey colors.
97 FL787 : It's actually 789UA that is now all white. It doesn't belong to UA any longer, it was one of the 8 777s UA got rid of in bankruptcy.
98 EWRCabincrew : As someone who works for one of the two companies, I look forward to it. CO brings great things to the merger as does UA. I speak with many CO people
99 ikramerica : They are better as non-PS transcon aircraft than the 739 are. The 739 could run into limitations on longer runs like those to SFO if carrying 175 pax
100 Post contains images TOMMY767 : Yeah but everyone who loves CO also has great admiration for their former CEOs including Kellner and Bethune and quite frankly Smisek comes from the
101 scorpy : Is it worth the expense of reconfiguring them given their age? Many of the PS aircraft are among the oldest in the UA fleet (around 18-20 yrs old), s
102 TOMMY767 : The UA 757s are in decent interior shape. The only thing I could see is maybe new seat covers and of course paint jobs down the line but that's it.
103 Post contains images United1 : I think any change will be a few years off as well....they will probably get the international fleet reconfigured and then I can see them addressing
104 DualQual : Smisek ain't no Bethune. Not by a long shot. Smisek already seems destined to be in the mold of one Mr Frank Lorenzo.
105 EWRCabincrew : Considering there are only two airlines involved and not four, there are far more fleet similarities (i.e cabin configurations, galleys, service, etc
106 TOMMY767 : Of course he ain't Bethune but Lorenzo? Com'on......
107 ikramerica : I agree. I just think that when the time comes, the 739 could be the right aircraft for that. It seems as if CO is not buying any more 739ERs, recent
108 TOMMY767 : UA doesn't have the additional resources yet to drop the older 757 fleet like a bad habit post merger. They will be around for many more years to com
109 Antoniemey : That's funny... I haven't heard of Continental closing down for a day to get rid of unions... I haven't heard of any sub-airlines being formed to fig
110 ssides : Good management can make airlines profitable by cutting capacity. See below. Exactly! Revenue and net income numbers are better because managers slas
111 Post contains links The777Man : http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=1781211 As mentioned above, the picture is actually of N789UA, not N788UA. N789UA has left the UA flee
112 Bralo20 : Apparently the plane it seems that this bird is again registered with N789UA after flying for about 5 years with the registration VT-AIL. N789UA was
113 CALPSAFltSkeds : First, the "smaller" 737NGs are the 3738 as CO won't buy anymore 73Gs. Not sure why we haven't seen more 739ERs delivered, but it seems that CO is ke
114 cslusarc : IMHO, if the 753 were used on Premium Transcontinental flights, it would need a First Class seat like CO's BusinessFirst Cabin, a Regional Business c
115 ikramerica : CO recently converted 3 booked 739ER orders back into 73G orders. While 73G orders are generally "place holder" orders for CO, they specifically UNor
116 norcal : I'd think the balance sheets over the past 2 decades would be evidence enough that fares are way too low. The industry has made great strides in effi
117 N505FX : Wasn't targeting you specifically, just making a generalization based on most of the comment on these boards.
118 FlyASAGuy2005 : I would agree that CO REALLY needs to take the 145s OFF many of the routes that they fly. However, without UA ordering more 170sCR7s I don't see them
119 United1 : That would be news...when did they announce that?
120 N505FX : I would have to agree - I like the UA BOB options on UAL better, and E+ is a HUGE benefit, I can bring my own entertainment...i just wish UA had WiFi
121 TOMMY767 : UA has VERY comfortable Y seats. CO's are nice but they are pretty hard. At least most of CO's fleet has winged headrests which make all the differen
122 Antoniemey : And your source on that would be? It's possible, yes... but not a definite thing. Especially since CO does have some subsidiaries that will NOT be me
123 Adam T. : And I suppose your source also told you that the Tulip was coming back as well? Why would they go through all that trouble to rename the corporation
124 kgaiflyer : The facts have gotten a little mixed up here. United-Continental Holdings will re-enter the NYSE (the current United Airlines trades on NASDAQ) . On
125 Adam T. : Perhaps - it seemed like the poster though was saying that the new company was going to be renamed UAL Corporation after the SOC was complete.
126 kgaiflyer : If he actually knows that at this point, he needs to tell Mr Smisek and Mr Tilton -- because I'm pretty sure *they* don't know.
127 FlyASAGuy2005 : Ouch! I know the new Qs comming online are going to BWI. I undersand they need the capacity but then again I think it's things like this that will ma
128 kgaiflyer : Having both written and published newsletters, I know it is possible to "assume" rather than "research" when the deadline is proximate and there's st
129 FlyASAGuy2005 : I understand what you're saying but this wasn't some news article that I read. This was info on the company employee website. How could they get that
130 dutchflyboi : I am sure that you misread that. NO where on the employee site has that info been.
131 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Does CO outsource any of its Res functions? I am hoping that this merger will bring about the end of Res outsourcing for UA. -m
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