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AV's A320 Damage In MDE , Pic  
User currently offlinedanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12977 times:

hello every body

The AV A320 N345AV msn 4345 was damaged in a hard landing in MDE , the plane got stuck at the airport leaving all passengers for the next flight . It seems that the plane structure was damaged during the landing , so it's waiting for an answer from Airbus at the old MD's ramp . here is a pic of the photo that was sent to Airbus ... , but some insiders said that the plane will be scraped since the damage was really big !

http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01855141

hope the plane is ok , since AV is getting really short of planes .

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2923 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12761 times:

We've seen writeoffs due to landings like this before on A320s (Iberia), I would not be shocked to see this thing head to the scrapheap instead of being repaired.


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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

It's hard to tell. Is it possible that the wing flexed within it's design specifications and it's only the skin and some spars that buckled. (But - I am SO not an engineer...)

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
We've seen writeoffs due to landings like this before on A320s (Iberia)

I don't think this kind of damage due to a hard landing is 320 specific. Or, is this what they talk about when they say the 737 is more "stout?" Can the 737 weather a hard landing better? Engineers?



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2923 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12668 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 2):
I don't think this kind of damage due to a hard landing is 320 specific.

I never said it was, however here's a 5 month old A320 that was parted out and scrapped after a hard landing. It was suggested the AV bird suffered a similar landing.


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User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12604 times:

Delivered just 3 months ago. Not a good start.

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6609 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12245 times:

Wouldn't want to be the mechanic there...never mind the pilot that landed !

The DC-9 has a reputation of being sturdy, and still it can be broken in two on a hard landing, so it's not aircraft specific, unless you grossly overbuild your A/C it will always be possible.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 2):
Is it possible that the wing flexed within it's design specifications and it's only the skin and some spars that buckled. (But - I am SO not an engineer...)

If the spar is buckled, it is all over for this airplane, she will be scrapped.

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 2):
is this what they talk about when they say the 737 is more "stout?" Can the 737 weather a hard landing better? Engineers?

That is really hard to say, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Each accident has its own unique dynamics that react on the airplane differently. While the B-737NG is more 'stout' than the A-32X, there is no way to determine which is really more survivalable (for the airframe), unless by some quark of faith each suffers the exact same accident dynamics of weight, weather, runway conditions, pilot responses, etc.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10653 times:


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Sad to see such a new aircraft damaged.

As it happens, SATA had a nearly new A320 damaged in a landing accident last year and it took quite a beating (up to 4gs on one of the touchdowns and a few rivets popped) - and it was returned to service. Obviously it depends on the extent of the damage, but these aircraft can take quite a beating!


User currently offlinedashman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8909 times:

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Wouldn't want to be the mechanic there...never mind the pilot that landed

I feel sorry for the passengers that landing had to hurt.


User currently offlinejigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Do we know when this took place? It was a flight from Bogota?

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

I would presume that the a/c will be at MDE awaiting further inspection by Airbus staff to determine this a/c's fate. Still from my untrained eye, it appears that the damage may mean a WO.

If it is reparable, will it be done there or the a/c ferried with special permits to Airbus in France or Germany factories or to another major airport with major repair facilites? If is is unsafe to fly or economicly repair, then will it be scrapped out there and the parts transported elsewhere or kept there in storage until they are needed?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 2):
Can the 737 weather a hard landing better?

Depends how hard. This Ryanair 737-800 was written off after a hard landing at CIA in 2008 following multiple birdstrikes that resulted in significant power loss on final approach.


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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Ok. Can we say someone needs to go back to school to learn how to land a plane the correct way? There is no excuse
for this kind of damage on an aircraft when landing. And if the wind/weather was that bad. Then they should have not even
tried to land at this airport.

Can they fix this or is the aircraft going to be written off?

ChucK


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting danimarroquin (Thread starter):
Do we know when this took place? It was a flight from Bogota?

Yes, from BOG.



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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
If the spar is buckled, it is all over for this airplane, she will be scrapped.

Forgive me, I think I meant "ribs," or whatever holds the outside fuselage to the frame. So I get now that the spar is essentially the backbone or "keel" of the A/C, right?

Since someone pointed out that this has happened to another 320 recently, I hope line of talk it's pertinent to the thread:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
That is really hard to say, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Each accident has its own unique dynamics that react on the airplane differently. While the B-737NG is more 'stout' than the A-32X, there is no way to determine which is really more survivalable (for the airframe), unless by some quark of faith each suffers the exact same accident dynamics of weight, weather, runway conditions, pilot responses, etc.

Makes sense. Very hard to even simulate identical circumstances. But in the specs of the plane, do they specify what various structural components it can handle how much force, tork, etc? (G-forces or whatever).

I've also often wondered, if the 737 is more "stout," doesn't that make it heavier? (effecting load, fuel consumption, etc.) And would it be more expensive on the front end, but have better resale on the back end? I hear there's about twice ans many T/Os and landings in a 737 vs a 320.



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User currently offlinea300aa From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3520 times:

Local media is reporting that the plane was fixed , and its flying. Any info?

User currently offlinecolinatl From Colombia, joined Jul 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

a300aa, where did u see the media reports? i searched on the net and couldn't find anything.

User currently offlinedanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

yeah , seems that the plane was ferried to BOG this morning for further repairs , so it seems it can fly again .. hope this incident doesn't happen again.
By the way , never seem a pic like that on a plane with all the graphics before ?? is this a usual thing to do with all the markings on the fuselage if there is a damage on the plane ??


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