danimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 450 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13255 times:
hello every body
The AV A320 N345AV msn 4345 was damaged in a hard landing in MDE , the plane got stuck at the airport leaving all passengers for the next flight . It seems that the plane structure was damaged during the landing , so it's waiting for an answer from Airbus at the old MD's ramp . here is a pic of the photo that was sent to Airbus ... , but some insiders said that the plane will be scraped since the damage was really big !
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12225 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11259 times:
Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 2): Is it possible that the wing flexed within it's design specifications and it's only the skin and some spars that buckled. (But - I am SO not an engineer...)
If the spar is buckled, it is all over for this airplane, she will be scrapped.
Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 2): is this what they talk about when they say the 737 is more "stout?" Can the 737 weather a hard landing better? Engineers?
That is really hard to say, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Each accident has its own unique dynamics that react on the airplane differently. While the B-737NG is more 'stout' than the A-32X, there is no way to determine which is really more survivalable (for the airframe), unless by some quark of faith each suffers the exact same accident dynamics of weight, weather, runway conditions, pilot responses, etc.
As it happens, SATA had a nearly new A320 damaged in a landing accident last year and it took quite a beating (up to 4gs on one of the touchdowns and a few rivets popped) - and it was returned to service. Obviously it depends on the extent of the damage, but these aircraft can take quite a beating!
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13339 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7997 times:
I would presume that the a/c will be at MDE awaiting further inspection by Airbus staff to determine this a/c's fate. Still from my untrained eye, it appears that the damage may mean a WO.
If it is reparable, will it be done there or the a/c ferried with special permits to Airbus in France or Germany factories or to another major airport with major repair facilites? If is is unsafe to fly or economicly repair, then will it be scrapped out there and the parts transported elsewhere or kept there in storage until they are needed?
dldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
Ok. Can we say someone needs to go back to school to learn how to land a plane the correct way? There is no excuse
for this kind of damage on an aircraft when landing. And if the wind/weather was that bad. Then they should have not even
tried to land at this airport.
Can they fix this or is the aircraft going to be written off?
SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4118 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6): If the spar is buckled, it is all over for this airplane, she will be scrapped.
Forgive me, I think I meant "ribs," or whatever holds the outside fuselage to the frame. So I get now that the spar is essentially the backbone or "keel" of the A/C, right?
Since someone pointed out that this has happened to another 320 recently, I hope line of talk it's pertinent to the thread:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6): That is really hard to say, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Each accident has its own unique dynamics that react on the airplane differently. While the B-737NG is more 'stout' than the A-32X, there is no way to determine which is really more survivalable (for the airframe), unless by some quark of faith each suffers the exact same accident dynamics of weight, weather, runway conditions, pilot responses, etc.
Makes sense. Very hard to even simulate identical circumstances. But in the specs of the plane, do they specify what various structural components it can handle how much force, tork, etc? (G-forces or whatever).
I've also often wondered, if the 737 is more "stout," doesn't that make it heavier? (effecting load, fuel consumption, etc.) And would it be more expensive on the front end, but have better resale on the back end? I hear there's about twice ans many T/Os and landings in a 737 vs a 320.
danimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
yeah , seems that the plane was ferried to BOG this morning for further repairs , so it seems it can fly again .. hope this incident doesn't happen again.
By the way , never seem a pic like that on a plane with all the graphics before ?? is this a usual thing to do with all the markings on the fuselage if there is a damage on the plane ??