JACK02116 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14859 times:
SItting in the lounge at T5 at the moment and can see a BA 747 with windows in the first cabin blocked out. The windows are in groups of 2 with intermediate window openings filled in. I assume this is to do with the First refit????
vv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8180 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13291 times:
As suggested the blocked out windows are a side effect of the installation of BA's new F cabin. From the inside this gives the impression of having conventional rather than aircraft-type windows. Those that are not requitred because passengers cannot look out of them because of the cabin furnishings are blanked out during the refurbishment of the cabins. Here are before and after photos of 744 G-CIVF:
And although for obvious reasons there is no 'before' photo of the new 77Ws - BA's second, G-STBB, arrived at LHR late Monday evening and will enter service shortly - it also has blocked out windows compared to the standard arrangement:
Viscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11331 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): It probably also makes it easier for the cabin crew who don't have to reach over and around passengers to lower those windowshades on night flights.
Maybe I'm missing the point, but wouldn't be a few thousand £s cheaper just to lock down the shades? Presumably, when the config changes again (which it probably will again in a few years) and/or the aircraft leave the fleet, a few more thousand £s will have to spent unblocking and re-installing the windows....
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 4022 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10347 times:
Quoting Viscount630 (Reply 7): Maybe I'm missing the point, but wouldn't be a few thousand £s cheaper just to lock down the shades? Presumably
Like everyting else on an aircraft windows need maintenance, replacement, etc. It probably is a lot cheaper to take the windows out, particularly when they are behind cabin furnishings and would be difficult to inspect. Windows must have a significant ongoing maintenance requirement, look how many operators removed the "eye brows" from their 737 fleets.
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TimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6917 times:
I recently flew business class back from BKK on G-CIVN on the lower deck (business is now over the wing) and I'm pretty sure some of the windows were blocked out in club world too. I struck me that the gap from my window to the next was that of two windows. Was I correct? Regards blocking out the view, BA have done a pretty good job of that in Club as, unless you've got a window seat there are too many screens in the way to see out of a window. Also, as with most long-haul flights I've been on these days the blinds seem to be permanently down for passengers to get some sleep (at least the night departures) - not that much can be seen in the dark!
you will see an internal photo of BA's new F Class cabin. Each of the rectangular 'windows' that you can see contains two aircraft windows.
There are just five window seats on each side of the BA's F cabin and there are still 10 windows. So their is a rectangular 'window' for each seat. There are therefore two external windows for each seat. Each pair of windows associated with a single seat is incorporated into a kind of window frame to try to give the impression that the passenger is not looking out of a conventional airliner window.
The blocked out windows if not blocked out would be virtually impossible to look out of because of the positioning of the seats with reference to those windows. I assume that BA have blocked them out for two reasons. Their asthetic reason could be because the desired ambience could not be achieved without blocking them out. Their practical reason could be because if they were not blocked out it would be difficult to reach the window for cleaning and maintenance purposes without first removing the adjacent seat.