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Blocked Out Windows In Nose Of BA 747  
User currently offlineJACK02116 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14132 times:

SItting in the lounge at T5 at the moment and can see a BA 747 with windows in the first cabin blocked out. The windows are in groups of 2 with intermediate window openings filled in. I assume this is to do with the First refit????

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User currently onlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14033 times:

Like this? Seems indeed to be something new, as the windows weren't blocked in May.

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User currently offlinemtbga From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14009 times:

I believe it is the new first class as per this link: http://thebasource.com/boeing747-400.html

User currently offlineJACK02116 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

This is it exactly. must be something to do with new first.

User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13503 times:

The new first configuration means that some of the windows in first are blocked off. You can also see this on the 777s with new first (G-VIIU, VIIV, VIIW)

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 4):
The new first configuration means that some of the windows in first are blocked off. You can also see this on the 777s with new first (G-VIIU, VIIV, VIIW)

It probably also makes it easier for the cabin crew who don't have to reach over and around passengers to lower those windowshades on night flights.


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12564 times:

As suggested the blocked out windows are a side effect of the installation of BA's new F cabin. From the inside this gives the impression of having conventional rather than aircraft-type windows. Those that are not requitred because passengers cannot look out of them because of the cabin furnishings are blanked out during the refurbishment of the cabins. Here are before and after photos of 744 G-CIVF:

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Exactly the same applies to the 772. Here are before and after photos of G-VIIU:

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And although for obvious reasons there is no 'before' photo of the new 77Ws - BA's second, G-STBB, arrived at LHR late Monday evening and will enter service shortly - it also has blocked out windows compared to the standard arrangement:

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User currently offlineViscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10604 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
It probably also makes it easier for the cabin crew who don't have to reach over and around passengers to lower those windowshades on night flights.

Maybe I'm missing the point, but wouldn't be a few thousand £s cheaper just to lock down the shades? Presumably, when the config changes again (which it probably will again in a few years) and/or the aircraft leave the fleet, a few more thousand £s will have to spent unblocking and re-installing the windows....  



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User currently offlinerailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Quoting Viscount630 (Reply 7):
a few more thousand £s will have to spent unblocking and re-installing the windows....

Can't imagine it'd be that expensive, really. Just pull out that one interior panel and replace it with a windowless one. Put a plug in the fuselage hole instead of glass. Done.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

Quoting Viscount630 (Reply 7):
Maybe I'm missing the point, but wouldn't be a few thousand £s cheaper just to lock down the shades? Presumably

Like everyting else on an aircraft windows need maintenance, replacement, etc. It probably is a lot cheaper to take the windows out, particularly when they are behind cabin furnishings and would be difficult to inspect. Windows must have a significant ongoing maintenance requirement, look how many operators removed the "eye brows" from their 737 fleets.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39881 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

Seems like a bad idea to block off the windows with the best view in the house.


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User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

I recently flew business class back from BKK on G-CIVN on the lower deck (business is now over the wing) and I'm pretty sure some of the windows were blocked out in club world too. I struck me that the gap from my window to the next was that of two windows. Was I correct? Regards blocking out the view, BA have done a pretty good job of that in Club as, unless you've got a window seat there are too many screens in the way to see out of a window. Also, as with most long-haul flights I've been on these days the blinds seem to be permanently down for passengers to get some sleep (at least the night departures) - not that much can be seen in the dark!

User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Seems like a bad idea to block off the windows with the best view in the house.

If you go to Reply 9 on this thread:

BA New First Cabin. Review & Pix. (by BAStew Feb 10 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4707527&searchid=4724107&s=ba+new+f+class+cabin#ID4724107

you will see an internal photo of BA's new F Class cabin. Each of the rectangular 'windows' that you can see contains two aircraft windows.

There are just five window seats on each side of the BA's F cabin and there are still 10 windows. So their is a rectangular 'window' for each seat. There are therefore two external windows for each seat. Each pair of windows associated with a single seat is incorporated into a kind of window frame to try to give the impression that the passenger is not looking out of a conventional airliner window.

The blocked out windows if not blocked out would be virtually impossible to look out of because of the positioning of the seats with reference to those windows. I assume that BA have blocked them out for two reasons. Their asthetic reason could be because the desired ambience could not be achieved without blocking them out. Their practical reason could be because if they were not blocked out it would be difficult to reach the window for cleaning and maintenance purposes without first removing the adjacent seat.


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