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NZ To Significantly Ramp Up SFO  
User currently offlinejoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10839 times:
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Air New Zealand is going from 5 777's per week currently to daily 777's in the late fall to daily 747 next northern summer. It seems like an awful big increase. Is there a reason why besides a large increase in bookings? Does it have anything to do with the UA/CO marriage? It just seems like too big a jump unless there was some external reason ( Maybe a SFO - UK route).

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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10727 times:
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I don't have access to the new schedule set but I'd check to see if they are adding through service to LHR from SFO as they do daily from LAX. I think its fair to assume there will be lots of love with the merged UA given they are Star Alliance partners.

User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10493 times:

There is talk that it is going to be extended to London............

User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10130 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 2):
There is talk that it is going to be extended to London............

. . . though at this stage it falls into the category of A-net rumour, as there's been not a whisper from the airline itself.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11857 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9572 times:
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So is daily B744s the reason why NZ is keeping 2x B744s

User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 3):
. . . though at this stage it falls into the category of A-net rumour

and the MAN threads have propounded the theory that it will be extended to Manchester...but I just don't see it myself (happy to be proven wrong!)



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User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

Assuming the whole thing's not a rumor: Will this be the first time that NZ 744s are used to SFO?

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9012 times:
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Quoting B595 (Reply 9):
Assuming the whole thing's not a rumor: Will this be the first time that NZ 744s are used to SFO?

No , the route was launched 3 x weekly with 744s before the 777s were delivered.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

I flew NZ's 772 on SFO-AKL a few weeks ago on a weekday. The flight was PACKED. I never thought there would be so much demand, but apparently I was in the wrong. A 9pm departure meant that many people had plenty of time to connect from other places I suppose.

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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

I think that the point is that SFO-LHR was always going to be more viable than HKG-LHR, and HKG only got the nod four years ago because there were no SFO-LHR traffic rights at that time.

In addition, the move from the 744 to the 77W on LHR-LAX will result in the loss of around fifty economy seats daily. SFO-LHR would be a way of replacing lost capacity. At the end of the day, SFO is a Star Alliance citadel, with enormous feed opportunities, whereas HKG is a Star Alliance graveyard, where the only connecting Star flights are to ports which already have direct service to London.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Would NZ not consider extending this to FRA? They already operate 2 daily to LHR and FRA would be a safe bet with so much star feed or is it a no goer?

User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 20):
Would NZ not consider extending this to FRA? They already operate 2 daily to LHR and FRA would be a safe bet with so much star feed or is it a no goer?

With United and Lufthansa already offering a couple daily of frequencies between SFO and FRA I don't think that additional capacity is needed there.


User currently offlinejoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4589 times:
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If I understand the previous posts, NZ is not expecting any more aircraft during the timeframe of the increased SFO service. If that's the case, does that mean a draw down at, for example, LAX? That makes no sense either, as LA has always been NZ's main focus here in the US.

User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2820 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting joemac547 (Reply 35):
If I understand the previous posts, NZ is not expecting any more aircraft during the timeframe of the increased SFO service.

They're taking delivery of 5 77Ws starting in December, 2010.



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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

I fly frequently on Air NZ and have to say that I use SFO and LAX completely differently.

I use LAX if I want to visit Los Angeles (obviously) or Orange County or San Diego, and if I have a few days break before work I will visit those places. I also use LAX if joining my family for a week or more in Rarotonga or Tahiti, and of course if flying to London.

I use SFO if flying onward anywhere in North America, even if it's for a few days' break in Palm Springs.

I never transit Hong Kong at all any more. I did for a couple of years after it opened, but got sick of before dawn wake-up calls wiping me out at the end of a stopover and big taxi fares from Central to the airport.

LAX T2 is ok - you can see from the above that I only use LAX when I have no need to change terminals. At least LAX provides numerous stopovers in the form of Newport Beach, Santa Monica, San Diego, Raro, Tahiti etc. Hong Kong lost its attraction because there are no nearby places to visit apart from Macau, and given that I have never set foot in Las Vegas I am hardly going to go to Macau, Portuguese heritage or not.

My only worry about SFO is that at present it is due to lose business class connectivity from BNE and MEL and ADE with the A320 downgrade, and that might force me to connect via LAX instead.


User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Could we see SFO become like LAX another hub in North America.? please hope its a good sign. maybe bring on that service to MAN that we keep waiting for. !!


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3393 times:
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I am delighted to see this service thriving , back in January 2004 when NZ first announced 3 x weekly AKL-SFO service there was quite a lot of skepticism as to how the route would do , six years ( and a global financial crisis ) later it is clear that this was a smart move from NZ . A great alternative to the horrors of LAX , and with excellent feed opportunities from *A partner UA . On the other hand , with regard to the rumour about extending it onwards to LHR I am somewhat more skeptical , despite lots of searching on the net I have never been able to find anything external to Anet to provide substantiation - does anyone actually have a source for this rumour or is it just one of those anet legends which gets repeated until it takes on a life of it's own ? I would welcome evidence if someone would care to provide it as in the absence of any verification it seems to be more wishful thinking than anything else . Is anyone from NZ able to shed any light on this perhaps ?


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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Anything is better than LAX...........but a good point was raised.........SFO - LHR? That's an interesting question. I'd be interested to see if that happened. Would NZ have a slot available? Another question, will it be a code share? Lots to choose from if it were a *A code share.

Dave



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
On the other hand , with regard to the rumour about extending it onwards to LHR I am somewhat more skeptical , despite lots of searching on the net I have never been able to find anything external to Anet to provide substantiation - does anyone actually have a source for this rumour or is it just one of those anet legends which gets repeated until it takes on a life of it's own ?


The only substantive thing that I've seen (and it's quite a number of years old now) is that when NZ was considering its options in terms of launching a second daily flight to LHR, the "last two" choices were HKG (eventually chosen) and SFO as an intermediate point. PVG had also been considered and (presumably) discarded. This was publicly stated by the carrier at the time, but I've seen nothing since then to indicate that there's a third European route to LHR/MAN/FRA/MUC/wherever in the wings - or that HKG-LHR would be dropped in favour of LHR-SFO. I'd support a third route because it would cement NZ's position as a niche quality long-haul airline out of LHR - effectively the carrier would be able to offer three long-haul nonstop destinations from LHR, plus, of course, Australia and New Zealand. Marketing a group of destinations has to be cheaper than marketing individual destinations. I also note, hwoever, that the airline has said "no new routes" (or was that "no new destinations"?) until the 789s come into the fleet in 2013 . . . or whenever.



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Is it in fact going to be a daily service? I've just looked at the schedule for the week beginning June 6 2011, and it's not showing flights for either Monday or Wednesday

User currently offlinejoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 19):
s it in fact going to be a daily service?

Good Grief! I was not imagining it and checked multiple times. But you are correct...it is NOW showing 744 5x / week.

Starts at daily 777 this winter - moving to 5x/week 744 next summer. Guess the schedule is still in flux at this point.....


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5201 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 19):
Is it in fact going to be a daily service?

It was and still is only showing as daily for July.


User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

I think that the inaugural Air New Zealand flight to SFO was on 30 June 2004. How then have passenger numbers been tracking on this route since then?

You can find the answer from Infoshare on the Statistics New Zealand web site. Look under 'Tourism' and then 'International Travel and Migration'.

Looking at total passenger movements (arrivals plus departures) by overseas port (San Francisco) for the years ended June gives:

2005 83,273
2006 107,678
2007 143,697
2008 140,822
2009 124,089
2010 106,984

If you wish to look, more detailed information is available on the passengers carried this and other air routes from New Zealand.



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting joemac547 (Reply 20):
Guess the schedule is still in flux at this point.....

Well I hope it fluxes back the other way, because I was booked on NZ8 on the Wednesday, which would seem to no longer exist.

I'm having bets with myself as to how long it will take for me to receive this information from my travel agent. I'm guessing at least a month.


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