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Jet Airways To Fly To Milan. Leases 5 A330-300's!  
User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16764 times:

Good news for 9W.

After making a net profit of 35 million rupees and a rise of 19.3% in pax loads, 9W has got the nod to fly to Milan.
Jet Airways has decided to lease five additional A330 jets from the US-based Intrepid Aviation Group LLC to serve the rising demand for international travel. The long-haul jets would be taken on long-term operating lease and would be deployed on European and South East Asian routes.


http://www.financialexpress.com/news...nternational-traffic-rises/684882/

My question is, why lease the A333s when you cannot fill the 77W?
also, its INDIA- MXP traffic good enough to handle?
Out of the 12 they have ordered, 4 has been leased to TK and 3 to TG.
Capacity:- 312 (8/30/274).

They still have 5 left. I dont understand?
Good news anyways  .

[Edited 2010-09-20 22:35:41]


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6672 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16688 times:

From what I understand, the 77Ws leased to TK, will be returning to 9W next year. Perhaps 9W should use them instead of leasing more planes ? They still have 332s on order as well ?

Perhaps 9W will lease out the returning 77Ws to TG ?

The777Man



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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16574 times:

Italy has a significant Indian population of around 90,000 (I think 60,000 of them are in northern Italy/MXP alone). Clearly there's a market to serve. Given that AZ no longer flies to India, and AI only flies to CDG and FRA on the Continent, it was about time someone came in with DEL/BOM-MXP. Given the emergence of India as a global economy, no doubt this will be popular with Indian-originating tourists. Aside from that, there are sure to be business links given how Milan is a key financial capital.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16467 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
They still have 332s on order as well ?

Ten delivered, five more on order.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
lease five additional A330 jets from the US-based Intrepid Aviation Group LLC

Officially, Intrepid only have A330Fs on order (20 of them). But they won't be the first lessor to chop and change between A330 variants.

What's interesting is that Intrepid have already signed for RR Trents for 17 of their 20 on firm order.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/news/2007/rr_trent700.jsp

Either that'll have to change or Jet will be adding RR A330s to their existing fleet with GE.   


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16414 times:
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Hi there,

I've heard about the intentions of Jet Airways to start new services to India from MAD or BCN. Has anyone new notices about that? Or will we see Kingfisher, as new member of Oneworld alliance taking advantage serving first Spain - India market?

About new services to MXP, effective from when?

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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16414 times:

Good to hear about 9W being given permission for MXP - I presume this would be BOM-MXP departing at the mid-night bank at BOM? And nothing like more 332s in India - it's a plane I much prefer over the 777  . Of course, I presume that 9W have done the maths (since they operate both), and have found themselves more likely to make money with the 332/333 than with a 77W. I wonder if they plan to sell the returned 77Ws (once TK is done with them), or is this 333 lease in addition to the capacity that those returned a/c will bring?


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16351 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
My question is, why lease the A333s when you cannot fill the 77W?

9W has found the 77W too big, the a333 is quite a bit smaller than the 77W (more 772 sized).

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
They still have 332s on order as well ?

Yep, according to Airbus' most recent spreadsheet, they still have 5 to be delivered (the article mentiones this as well).

Seems like 9W is really happy with their a330's and less so with their 77W's because those are just too big for them at the moment. But if their traffic keeps growing like this, no doubt they will need them in the future though.



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16164 times:

where does it say in the article anything about 9W getting permission for MXP?

User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16136 times:

It could also be that those A333's come to BRU and the US instead of A332's on some routes and that slightly smaller A332's are deployed on new routes being opened e.g. MXP.


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User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16047 times:

If I'm not mistaken Jet Airways stated their intention to fly to Milan twice, Air India and Kingfisher once each and despite all these announcements nothing has arrived. I'm sorry but I don't believe in this announcement.

User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16046 times:

Sidenote:

AI plans to dry-lease 4 A330

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfee...4-airbus-a330-aircraft/337990.html

//Mike  



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16024 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 10):
AI plans to dry-lease 4 A330

It's the plane of the moment!   


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15877 times:

2 of their A332s are still with us in Oman.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15836 times:

I would think the leases on the 77Ws are very, very expensive and that you could probably get an A333 for much cheaper given the numbers of them about to hit the second hand market in the next few years.


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15620 times:

Hmm, midnight departures from BOM or will they like everyone else move bag and baggage to DEL once T3 goes to full-operational mode. Any which way, unless and until they fix their pathetic international check-in process (DEL and BOM) they'll start having serious customer service issues.


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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15559 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 10):

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfee...4-airbus-a330-aircraft/337990.html

//Mike

It says in the article AI plans to take on ATR's? I didn't know AI had any plans for that! Most of their RJ fleet is made up of CRJ's, if I'm not wrong?

Quoting Cricket (Reply 14):
Hmm, midnight departures from BOM or will they like everyone else move bag and baggage to DEL once T3 goes to full-operational mode. Any which way, unless and until they fix their pathetic international check-in process (DEL and BOM) they'll start having serious customer service issues.

True that, their check in at BOM is pathetic! They have a maximum of 10 check in counters at peak hour which is just absolutely ridiculous! The check in staff is a right pain in the back side as well. And this is not only in BOM. While checking in at BLR the other day, the BP printer ran out of paper. The lady, instead of saying give me a second, will be right back said, "oh f**k and walked off". I use the word rather liberally as well, but I wouldn't expect somebody in the customer service industry to do the same. Not good at all.


Anyway, returning to the topic, good to see them fly to MXP, if they actually do. I flew AZ a few times out of BOM and the loads were always terrible. WIshing them all the best! I still think Australia would be a better option though.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15393 times:

Would be great to see 9W here in DUB, EY clean up on Ireland-India via AUH, I think 9W could give them a run for their money!

User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14556 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
My question is, why lease the A333s when you cannot fill the 77W?

The 333 seats less than the 77W, so I have no idea what your asking? The 333 and 332 go hand in hand and with the few extra seats on the 333, it lowers the CASM. The 333 will come in handy on a few routes, no doubt about that.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
also, its INDIA- MXP traffic good enough to handle?

According to Alitalia it was not, but then again thats not a very valid example. Yes there is traffic to MXP from India. Is there enough to fill a 332 on a regular scheduled service is something thats up for debate. Maybe Lufthansa Italia comes into play here.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):
where does it say in the article anything about 9W getting permission for MXP?

I was wondering the same thing.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14329 times:

I wonder if 9W will get fifth freedom rights from MXP. Long years ago, before the slowdown, Naresh Goyal had spoken of a MXP-LAX service. But that was a long, long time ago.


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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14328 times:

Not surprised by the announcement. I would be surprised if this is not from DEL. Though, I recognize that BOM does have a larger "hub" presence for 9W.

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A.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14213 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 6):
9W has found the 77W too big, the a333 is quite a bit smaller than the 77W (more 772 sized).

The 333 is a great plane for India: better unit costs than the 332 and you still can reach just about anywhere in Asia/Europe/Africa and even some of Australia.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 14):
Any which way, unless and until they fix their pathetic international check-in process (DEL and BOM) they'll start having serious customer service issues.

I think that issues overstated; people have been connecting through hell-holes for ages, ie JFK, LHR, CDG, SVO, etc.; ultimately it doesn't much matter for the local market.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 18):

I wonder if 9W will get fifth freedom rights from MXP. Long years ago, before the slowdown, Naresh Goyal had spoken of a MXP-LAX service. But that was a long, long time ago.

I think he discovered reality between then and now 



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13923 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
From what I understand, the 77Ws leased to TK, will be returning to 9W next year. Perhaps 9W should use them instead of leasing more planes ? They still have 332s on order as well ?

Does TK want to keep these aircraft? If they go back to 9W what are they going to do with them?


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13901 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
They still have 332s on order as well ?

Yes, 10 done, 5 more to go.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):
where does it say in the article anything about 9W getting permission for MXP?

My bad. I forgot to put up the link.
http://www.livemint.com/2010/09/2021...s-gets-nod-for-fligh.html?atype=tp

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
I would think the leases on the 77Ws are very, very expensive and that you could probably get an A333 for much cheaper given the numbers of them about to hit the second hand market in the next few years.

From what i'm understanding, 9W has seen the green.
Also, The money what they are getting from 7 of the 77W (they are literally expensive),they are just passing it on for 5x A333.I highly doubt they need the cargo payload for such flights. 77W is too much capacity.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 17):
The 333 seats less than the 77W, so I have no idea what your asking? The 333 and 332 go hand in hand and with the few extra seats on the 333, it lowers the CASM. The 333 will come in handy on a few routes, no doubt about that.

I should have made it more clear. My bad.
I am asking, what is they point of leasing A333's, when they are not able to fill the A332's and the 77W's.
Why does 9W need the A333?  
And i agree that it shall lower CASM, but then why not try with a A332 before, and then go for A333  .



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13850 times:
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Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 12):
2 of their A332s are still with us in Oman.

VT-JWD/E were returned a long time ago (well... early 2010)  



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13535 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
very expensive and that you could probably get an A333 for much cheaper given the numbers of them about to hit the second hand market in the next few years.

WHy is that? Because of the 789? That is still quite a few years away...

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 22):
I am asking, what is they point of leasing A333's, when they are not able to fill the A332's and the 77W's.
Why does 9W need the A333?

I have no idea how the a332 loads are, but AFAIK the a333 has a lower CASM than the a332 and as such, a higher money making possibility.



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25 anshuk : Who says they are not filling the A332's? Yeah, the JNB flight is apparently experiencing poor loads but apart from that, please state your source fo
26 SR 103 : The 77W's to LHR are doing just fine in terms of passengers loads. The 332's to HKG, SIN and North America are doing pretty well, especially across t
27 Flying Belgian : Given their business model it would have been a wiser choice from the beginning on. I mean, I never saw how they could make the most of a 77W as the
28 The777Man : My understanding is that no, TK does not want to keep the aircraft. They will vey soon start adding 12 77W and 8 or so 333s and therefore will have p
29 CHRISBA777ER : There are a few early-build A333s that have started to hit the markets now that are very old and not as capable as the newer ones. EI, CX and TG all
30 SR 103 : I could not agree with you more. Though when they ordered it, India traffic was booming. I personally always thought the 77W was too big for them. I
31 Kappel : Ah, I get what you mean. Yes, indeed those airlines are replacing the older a333's.
32 pylon101 : It's a little bit off-topic - but what's happening with Moscow - Delhi and Moscow - Mumbai routes? Looks like no Indian carriers do any service. Only
33 ojas : SU does not fly BOM - SVO anymore, they stopped it long back. Qatar Airways is a good option. Their A320s to DME are with the new interiors with PTVs
34 JL418 : The flight is already visible on Amadeus and it can be booked (for around 600€ return) on Expedia. It seems that this time they're serious about it,
35 jayeshrulz : High Loads Does not equal to yield. TK is receiving their 77Ws by 2012. So they will give back the 77Ws to 9W. SU stopped in mid/early 2009 i guess.I
36 ojas : That is totally incorrect. The phrase used on this site is "High Loads is not necessarily equal to High yields". Jet's flights to 9W have recorded a
37 Asiaflyer : Thanks. And Amadeus shows the equipment as A330-200.
38 pylon101 : I am sorry, I missed the point. What flight are we talking about?
39 ojas : According to the GDS, from Dec 5th 2010 9W 142 DEL - MXP 1255 1800 9h 35 mins 9W 141 MXP - DEL 2125 0955+1 8 hrs Flights will be daily using an A330-2
40 Post contains images SR 103 : Ojas is right, the A330 never operated to BOM, only the 763. I got to say I am a little surprised that they did not go for the traditional midnight d
41 ojas : Actually DEL - SIN is timed in an odd fashion (DEL dep 9am and arrival into DEL 2.30 am) mainly to cater connections of QF flights ex - SIN. So the t
42 Post contains images JL418 : About the DEL-MXP flight, this is its thread after all
43 Post contains links ojas : New flights on DEL - CMB routes have been announced which will connect to the MXP flights. Indian Aviaton Thread Part 89 # Monsoon Special! (by jayesh
44 Post contains links ojas : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ight-Dec-5/articleshow/6614670.cms It is in the press now.
45 ojas : The timings of DEL - KTM are tweaked thus allowing 2 way connections to DEL - MXP.
46 9252fly : Don't mean to go off track with this thread. What's happening with 9W and AI in respect to alliances? AI was to have completed it's entry into Star Al
47 kiwiandrew : The Indian Government have blocked 9W from forming any new codeshare/frequent flyer agreements with * A carriers ( they already have about 8 which is
48 jayeshrulz : Aint that Partiality? Cant 9W argue against this??
49 anshuk : Well, the Indian aviation industry is heavily regulated by the Government. The Government is obviously very partial towards the National Carrier - lo
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