jayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16516 times:
Good news for 9W.
After making a net profit of 35 million rupees and a rise of 19.3% in pax loads, 9W has got the nod to fly to Milan.
Jet Airways has decided to lease five additional A330 jets from the US-based Intrepid Aviation Group LLC to serve the rising demand for international travel. The long-haul jets would be taken on long-term operating lease and would be deployed on European and South East Asian routes.
My question is, why lease the A333s when you cannot fill the 77W?
also, its INDIA- MXP traffic good enough to handle?
Out of the 12 they have ordered, 4 has been leased to TK and 3 to TG.
Capacity:- 312 (8/30/274).
They still have 5 left. I dont understand?
Good news anyways .
directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 16326 times:
Italy has a significant Indian population of around 90,000 (I think 60,000 of them are in northern Italy/MXP alone). Clearly there's a market to serve. Given that AZ no longer flies to India, and AI only flies to CDG and FRA on the Continent, it was about time someone came in with DEL/BOM-MXP. Given the emergence of India as a global economy, no doubt this will be popular with Indian-originating tourists. Aside from that, there are sure to be business links given how Milan is a key financial capital.
RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16166 times:
I've heard about the intentions of Jet Airways to start new services to India from MAD or BCN. Has anyone new notices about that? Or will we see Kingfisher, as new member of Oneworld alliance taking advantage serving first Spain - India market?
About new services to MXP, effective from when?
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Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16166 times:
Good to hear about 9W being given permission for MXP - I presume this would be BOM-MXP departing at the mid-night bank at BOM? And nothing like more 332s in India - it's a plane I much prefer over the 777 . Of course, I presume that 9W have done the maths (since they operate both), and have found themselves more likely to make money with the 332/333 than with a 77W. I wonder if they plan to sell the returned 77Ws (once TK is done with them), or is this 333 lease in addition to the capacity that those returned a/c will bring?
Yep, according to Airbus' most recent spreadsheet, they still have 5 to be delivered (the article mentiones this as well).
Seems like 9W is really happy with their a330's and less so with their 77W's because those are just too big for them at the moment. But if their traffic keeps growing like this, no doubt they will need them in the future though.
JL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15799 times:
If I'm not mistaken Jet Airways stated their intention to fly to Milan twice, Air India and Kingfisher once each and despite all these announcements nothing has arrived. I'm sorry but I don't believe in this announcement.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15588 times:
I would think the leases on the 77Ws are very, very expensive and that you could probably get an A333 for much cheaper given the numbers of them about to hit the second hand market in the next few years.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15372 times:
Hmm, midnight departures from BOM or will they like everyone else move bag and baggage to DEL once T3 goes to full-operational mode. Any which way, unless and until they fix their pathetic international check-in process (DEL and BOM) they'll start having serious customer service issues.
It says in the article AI plans to take on ATR's? I didn't know AI had any plans for that! Most of their RJ fleet is made up of CRJ's, if I'm not wrong?
Quoting Cricket (Reply 14): Hmm, midnight departures from BOM or will they like everyone else move bag and baggage to DEL once T3 goes to full-operational mode. Any which way, unless and until they fix their pathetic international check-in process (DEL and BOM) they'll start having serious customer service issues.
True that, their check in at BOM is pathetic! They have a maximum of 10 check in counters at peak hour which is just absolutely ridiculous! The check in staff is a right pain in the back side as well. And this is not only in BOM. While checking in at BLR the other day, the BP printer ran out of paper. The lady, instead of saying give me a second, will be right back said, "oh f**k and walked off". I use the word rather liberally as well, but I wouldn't expect somebody in the customer service industry to do the same. Not good at all.
Anyway, returning to the topic, good to see them fly to MXP, if they actually do. I flew AZ a few times out of BOM and the loads were always terrible. WIshing them all the best! I still think Australia would be a better option though.
The 333 seats less than the 77W, so I have no idea what your asking? The 333 and 332 go hand in hand and with the few extra seats on the 333, it lowers the CASM. The 333 will come in handy on a few routes, no doubt about that.
According to Alitalia it was not, but then again thats not a very valid example. Yes there is traffic to MXP from India. Is there enough to fill a 332 on a regular scheduled service is something thats up for debate. Maybe Lufthansa Italia comes into play here.
Quoting behramjee (Reply 7): where does it say in the article anything about 9W getting permission for MXP?
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13965 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 6): 9W has found the 77W too big, the a333 is quite a bit smaller than the 77W (more 772 sized).
The 333 is a great plane for India: better unit costs than the 332 and you still can reach just about anywhere in Asia/Europe/Africa and even some of Australia.
Quoting Cricket (Reply 14): Any which way, unless and until they fix their pathetic international check-in process (DEL and BOM) they'll start having serious customer service issues.
I think that issues overstated; people have been connecting through hell-holes for ages, ie JFK, LHR, CDG, SVO, etc.; ultimately it doesn't much matter for the local market.
Quoting Cricket (Reply 18):
I wonder if 9W will get fifth freedom rights from MXP. Long years ago, before the slowdown, Naresh Goyal had spoken of a MXP-LAX service. But that was a long, long time ago.
I think he discovered reality between then and now
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13675 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 1): From what I understand, the 77Ws leased to TK, will be returning to 9W next year. Perhaps 9W should use them instead of leasing more planes ? They still have 332s on order as well ?
Does TK want to keep these aircraft? If they go back to 9W what are they going to do with them?
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13): I would think the leases on the 77Ws are very, very expensive and that you could probably get an A333 for much cheaper given the numbers of them about to hit the second hand market in the next few years.
From what i'm understanding, 9W has seen the green.
Also, The money what they are getting from 7 of the 77W (they are literally expensive),they are just passing it on for 5x A333.I highly doubt they need the cargo payload for such flights. 77W is too much capacity.
Quoting SR 103 (Reply 17): The 333 seats less than the 77W, so I have no idea what your asking? The 333 and 332 go hand in hand and with the few extra seats on the 333, it lowers the CASM. The 333 will come in handy on a few routes, no doubt about that.
I should have made it more clear. My bad.
I am asking, what is they point of leasing A333's, when they are not able to fill the A332's and the 77W's.
Why does 9W need the A333?
And i agree that it shall lower CASM, but then why not try with a A332 before, and then go for A333 .