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Royal Brunei At LHR  
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Just saw my first Royal Brunei 777 - come screaming overhead - looked to be clean over Windsor already and the fastest Ive ever seen at that level - even faster than the SK Maddogs. Wasnt climbing as fast as they do but Jeez she was shifting. It probably wasnt faster than maximum 250 knots obviously but its the closest I've seen. Had to have been a full TOGA power departure. Very impressive!

I'd like to know - does LHR still get the 767, or is it an all-777 station now, and do they still go via DXB or does it go non-stop now?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

I have seen the 767 come into LHR still, but seem to see the 777 more lately. On the DXB thing I'm not entirely sure. I think it does still route that way though??

User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6687 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Fiightstats has BI98 via DXB

Not that it's always accurate, but you can follow the departure here

http://casper.frontier.nl/egkk/

at 09:51, just after CYP327 that turns south. It does leap from 185kts to 249kts just after departure, but whether that's true or glitch is open to question.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 2):
at 09:51, just after CYP327 that turns south. It does leap from 185kts to 249kts just after departure, but whether that's true or glitch is open to question.

It looked that fast to me - thought it was a little weird that it would be clean (couldnt swear to it but I 99% sure flaps were fully retracted already, and obviously gear was up) over Windsor - only about 2,000 feet if that.

Seriously - she was absolutely hauling ass. You get a feel for how fast they are moving on departure where I sit at work and this one looked noticeably faster. Maybe very lightly loaded and they thought they would do a TOGA departure for a giggle?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePBOA380FAN From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

According worldspan, galileo & Amadeus the flights routes via Dubai in both directions. Not sure why thought
as im sure the 777 is able to operate direct to Brunei.


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6687 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Quoting PBOA380FAN (Reply 4):
as im sure the 777 is able to operate direct to Brunei

Maybe it picks up pax/cargo in DXB and/or there aren't enough pax/cargo to warrant a direct service.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):
Maybe very lightly loaded and they thought they would do a TOGA departure for a giggle?

Are you being serious? Imagine the briefing..."Hey dude, just for a laugh lets rip the engines to max!"

Tanking off Heathrow at full tilt doesn't get you anywhere faster as the same altitude and speeds restrictions apply. I doubt they let him off the SID for a giggle. Royal Brunei does fly via Dubai both ways and has done for years.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 6):
Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):
Maybe very lightly loaded and they thought they would do a TOGA departure for a giggle?

Are you being serious? Imagine the briefing..."Hey dude, just for a laugh lets rip the engines to max!"

My understanding is that a percentage of departures have to be done at TOGA power (1% is it? I know its a tiny proportion), and that mostly contaminated runway departures (heavy rain, snow etc) or heavy crosswind etc under normal ops will account for this percentage, but if it does not, and they do not get a chance, then they will schedule one in if they have to do one. I remember when GE put out that NOTAM about the GE90-110/115bs stating that due to some uncommanded rollback events all departures had to be done at TOGA and there were no derates allowed for a while. Didnt last very long but i had three EY 77W legs and four EK 77W legs in that time and they were "sporty"  Smile

I had one at LGW on a MYT A320 as well about five years ago, although I wondered at the time whether it was to do with traffic on short finals and ours being asked to expedite departure (though i think thats not right as i dont think its a case of just pushing the TOGA button is it? Anyone know?)

I'd imagine you'd want to do one when lightly loaded as it will take less time to get it over and done with and so place less strain on the engines.

I cant imagine the briefing was as you describe though!

[Edited 2010-09-21 04:56:44]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 6):
Tanking off Heathrow at full tilt doesn't get you anywhere faster as the same altitude and speeds restrictions apply. I doubt they let him off the SID for a giggle. Royal Brunei does fly via Dubai both ways and has done for years.

I'd have thought a 772ER departing from LHR at full available power would get to where it needs to be faster than one on a derated 70% power departure?

As long as you keep it under 250 knots under FL5, and keep it to your assigned alts you can go as fast or climb as fast as you want! - Or as slow - ask the A343!

Unless I'm mistaken??



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):
Maybe it picks up pax/cargo in DXB and/or there aren't enough pax/cargo to warrant a direct service.

I guess that when BI develops its connections and destinations via Brunei into Australia then there will be demand for a non-stop B777 flight.


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6687 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 9):
I guess that when BI develops its connections and destinations via Brunei

Is that the plan? I'm not sure about B777 longest flights, but LHR-BWN is 200 miles longer than MAN-SIN which was one of the longest for the /ER, afaik.

What is BI's market?

Tourism, though a valuable resource doesn't seem to be a big earner

According to Brunei Tourism, the latest tourism figures of holiday visitor arrivals from January to August 2007 recorded 3,459 European visitors in total.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Brunei_Airlines

And it'll always be up against KUL, SIN, HKG, CGK, BKK, etc for the share of the transit dollar.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Slightly picky but it's 5000ft on the Heathrow QNH not FL50 on the SID. It's incredibly rare to use full power for departure out of Heathrow as it's not encouraged. It wears out the engines and reduces component life. A graduated scale is used with the TOW and weather conditions taken into account. As has been pointed out they route to Dubai which is not at the extreme end of performance.

Having said that, on Sunday some of the departures off 27R were up like a bloody rocket but that was more to do with the wind. There's not much point trying to be Jenson Button of you've got the Brussels Airlines 146 ahead of you on the climb out. Busy place is Heathrow.

*loud shrieks of "BRU is a Detling whereas Dubai is a Dover SID"*


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 10):
What is BI's market?

Tourism, though a valuable resource doesn't seem to be a big earner

Correct. There is very little tourist promotion overseas. I imagine that Brunei would not welcome mass tourism. I know that BI is seeking traffic rights to other Australian cities so that is why I thought it might promote Brunei as a transit point (both from the UK and its regional Asian destinations)


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 10):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Brunei_Airlines

And it'll always be up against KUL, SIN, HKG, CGK, BKK, etc for the share of the transit dollar.

LHR-DXB-BWN-BNE/SYD/MEL etc - bloody long time to go without a beer.

I'm trying to imagine how cheap an airfare would have to be for me to consider doing that.

Quoting oly720man (Reply 10):

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 9):
I guess that when BI develops its connections and destinations via Brunei

Is that the plan? I'm not sure about B777 longest flights, but LHR-BWN is 200 miles longer than MAN-SIN which was one of the longest for the /ER, afaik.

I think LHR-SIN is the longest flight out of LHR right now and BWN is a bit further again. Will be a very long flight indeed. Got to be what, 15 and a half hours westbound? That almost into ULH territory.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
LHR-DXB-BWN-BNE/SYD/MEL etc - bloody long time to go without a beer.

I agree but BI does let pax bring their own drinks on board if purchased from duty-free. Although I guess the crew would draw the line if you brought on too much.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
I think LHR-SIN is the longest flight out of LHR right now

Sorry to be pedantic ... but I believe BA's new LHR-EZE service (announced today and which starts next March) is slightly longer assuming it will operate non-stop.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 14):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
LHR-DXB-BWN-BNE/SYD/MEL etc - bloody long time to go without a beer.

I agree but BI does let pax bring their own drinks on board if purchased from duty-free. Although I guess the crew would draw the line if you brought on too much.

Do they? Blimey. Result!

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 14):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
I think LHR-SIN is the longest flight out of LHR right now

Sorry to be pedantic ... but I believe BA's new LHR-EZE service (announced today and which starts next March) is slightly longer assuming it will operate non-stop.

Yeah - EZE is a mission and a half.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6687 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 14):
is slightly longer assuming it will operate non-stop.

Another 150 miles on great circle. 6765miles vs 6904miles

And it is direct

In South America British Airways conformed it would offer direct flights to Buenos Aires from March 27th next year.

http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...-airways-rejigs-long-haul-network/

744 or 773?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 14):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
I think LHR-SIN is the longest flight out of LHR right now

Sorry to be pedantic ... but I believe BA's new LHR-EZE service (announced today and which starts next March) is slightly longer assuming it will operate non-stop.

LHR-SIN 5879 nm
LHR-BWN 6096 nm
LHR-EZE 5999 nm

EZE was the longest nonstop from LHR when BA last operated it some years ago. Since then it's been SIN. However, both are much shorter than many other nonstop routes.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19192 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
LHR-DXB-BWN-BNE/SYD/MEL etc - bloody long time to go without a beer.
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 14):
I agree

I very rarely drink alcohol on the ground, and never in the air.

Can't you survive without a day without a beer? What's that word I'm think of that begins with A...  



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 18):
What's that word I'm think of that begins with A...

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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Seriously - she was absolutely hauling ass. You get a feel for how fast they are moving on departure where I sit at work and this one looked noticeably faster. Maybe very lightly loaded and they thought they would do a TOGA departure for a giggle?

Check out the heathrow radar departures and you will see that 777's really do accelerate out of LHR much faster than comparable aircraft

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 18):

I very rarely drink alcohol on the ground, and never in the air.

I find it difficult to drink it on the ground and impossible in the air. Always much easier and nicer in a glass



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 18):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
LHR-DXB-BWN-BNE/SYD/MEL etc - bloody long time to go without a beer.
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 14):
I agree

I very rarely drink alcohol on the ground, and never in the air.

Can't you survive without a day without a beer? What's that word I'm think of that begins with A...

Yes but I'm much more interesting, handsome, intelligent and charismatic than you so I can afford to...  
Quoting shankly (Reply 20):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Seriously - she was absolutely hauling ass. You get a feel for how fast they are moving on departure where I sit at work and this one looked noticeably faster. Maybe very lightly loaded and they thought they would do a TOGA departure for a giggle?

Check out the heathrow radar departures and you will see that 777's really do accelerate out of LHR much faster than comparable aircraft

Interesting. I wonder what the fastest departures are out of LHR? I'd reckon its the SK Maddogs, or maybe the TK 77Ws?

Quoting shankly (Reply 20):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 18):

I very rarely drink alcohol on the ground, and never in the air.

I find it difficult to drink it on the ground and impossible in the air. Always much easier and nicer in a glass

LOL!!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Any news on RBA to MEL... has that been delayed until mid 2011 or shelved?

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