SPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10170 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1): Speaking about the Latin American scenario, only Sao Paulo and Mexico City are sustaining the dual equation named KL and AF.
Thus, the intended AF CDG-LIM would complement the current KL AMS-LIM.
Very aggressive move. I think probably aimed at keeping LH out of LIM.
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4021 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10149 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 9): FlySSC, what would be AF/KL's next steps in South America? Perhaps the long rumoured AMS-GIG by KL and CDG-REC with AF (when the open-skies comes into force, naturally).
AF seved REC in the past as a stop on its services further south, but I do not see that as placing REC at an advantage compared to other cities in Brazil. I would think SSA has an edge because SSA-CDG is a bigger market than REC-CDG, and SSA-Europe in general is bigger than REC-Europe. Also the Club Meds in Bahia seen to place SSA ahead.
FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9972 times:
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10): Meaning that Alizé class will be offered for the very 1st time on a US flight, instead of Premium Voyageur.
This "COI" configured B77W is already used by AF during the summer on CDG-YUL-CDG, but its sold as 14J / 458M (36+422).
The inflight service is also a "COI" type service (no choice for main course, etc ...) but the fares on this particular flight (AF344/345) is also lower than on the 3 others Daily CDG-YUL-CDG.
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 10): Given the density in M class, I really feel sorry for those travelling in that cabin.
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9975 times:
Quoting incitatus (Reply 13): AF seved REC in the past as a stop on its services further south, but I do not see that as placing REC at an advantage compared to other cities in Brazil. I would think SSA has an edge because SSA-CDG is a bigger market than REC-CDG, and SSA-Europe in general is bigger than REC-Europe. Also the Club Meds in Bahia seen to place SSA ahead.
Not really. AF served REC with A332 as a dedicates service until the begining of the 2000s. There is market between REC and Europe, hence the latest IB application they chose REC instead of SSA for their circular route. That would be also a good flight from CDG to the Brazilian northeast: a circular one. Perhaps CDG-REC-SSA-CDG with the 332.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9921 times:
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11): it has been long rumored that AF wants in at SJO. If CM goes to Star...KL in PTY and AF in SJO would be a good match.
These rumors happened before KL resumed PTY in 2008.
We have to consider that CM is bearing the KL code in selected flights to Central America and the Caribbean, SJO included.
KL PTY-AMS goes to 6x weekly shortly and I expect KL AMS-PTY daily before any attempt of AF in Central America.
Good point taken. LH would resume BOG in the near future and it might be forming part of the strategy of Star Alliance in South America if AV/TA would go truly to such alliance.
LIM is the key South American base of TA and that airline is holding the LH code in both TA LIM-GRU and TA LIM-CCS.