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LH To Regularly Use 747 Domestic  
User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3570 posts, RR: 29
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15133 times:

I dont know if it has been posted before, but LH is going to use the 747 domestically in the upcoming weeks:

http://www.welt.de/die-welt/wirtscha...n-Wettbewerb-mit-dem-Jumbo-an.html

It is not only a few flights, it is a regular schedule, at least for some time to come.

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15034 times:

Yes, it was covered here several months ago. But good of you to remind us that these B747 domestic routes will go ahead.

User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14092 times:

Maybe they will buy up the ex-JL 744Ds to replace the retired AB6s. They do have the same GE engines.  

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13920 times:

Which flight numbers get 747s? Because I want to see them at HAM (particularly if it's the 747 that brought me back to Germany, D-ABTK).  

User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13565 times:

will LH keep all their 29 + 1 stored 747s, even with the 380s coming?


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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13380 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
Which flight numbers get 747s? Because I want to see them at HAM (particularly if it's the 747 that brought me back to Germany, D-ABTK).

D-ABTK was already in Hamburg last Friday evening (17-Sep) as LH022 coming from Frankfurt.
And I was on it!

 


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13182 times:

Quoting LH506 (Reply 4):
will LH keep all their 29 + 1 stored 747s, even with the 380s coming?

Yes, even when the 747-8I arrives they will operate side by side for awhile, at least that is what I have heard.



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User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13012 times:

So, Lufthansa are you missing the A300s already?  

Hypothetically, if there were still some A306s sitting around how feasible could their reactivation be?

Nothing against the 747s on domestic routes, looking forward to fly on one.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10702 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12857 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 6):
Yes, even when the 747-8I arrives they will operate side by side for awhile, at least that is what I have heard.

The 744s will be flown until they reach 120.000 flight hours or a major service around that time. From what I know the oldest 744s have 2-3 years to go to reach that.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3570 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12857 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):
The 744s will be flown until they reach 120.000 flight hours or a major service around that time.

Are they ready for scrap after 120k flight hours or will they maybe get a D-check and a freighter conversion?


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12857 times:

Quoting LH506 (Reply 4):
will LH keep all their 29 + 1 stored 747s, even with the 380s coming?

They are GE-powered, aren't they? I was hoping the new UA could pick up a couple of used ones from LH, despite the fact that current UA's 747s are all Pratts. Just saying, in case LH wants to sell some, on the cheap.  

I live in Houston, and from this remote distance, the idea that LH will be using domestic 747s within Europe is startling -- so very long since US airlines did that kind of thing over here.

Has LH used 747s this way before, on a regular basis? Forgive my ignorance.

Additionally, we can't forget that the new 748 will be flown "domestically" during its testing phase. When LH is ready to deploy them overseas, I'll be waiting here at IAH, drooling.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 2):
Maybe they will buy up the ex-JL 744Ds to replace the retired AB6s. They do have the same GE engines.

Now that would be unexpected -- ex-JL 744Ds working for LH intra-Europe. On trunk routes and to holiday places? What kind of range do these birds have, anyway?

Cheers and regards,
Scottie


User currently offlinebgm From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12838 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 10):
so very long since US airlines did that kind of thing over here.

I believe United is flying SFO-ORD-SFO on a 747


User currently offlineCysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12777 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 10):
Has LH used 747s this way before, on a regular basis? Forgive my ignorance

No... They only used their A330-200 for domestic flight some years ago instead..


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12673 times:

Oops! Okay. I had a mental lapse there. UA does do domestic-US 747 trips. I don't know whether or not Delta does.

Lufthansa continues to astonish me with how well-run it is. They don't make many mistakes.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10702 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12279 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 9):
Are they ready for scrap after 120k flight hours or will they maybe get a D-check and a freighter conversion?

I would think final retirement is likely by then for most of them. At 120k hrs a structural modification is required on top of a heavy check. 120.000 hours is a lot, much more than average for a long distance airliner. Roughly 95% of 747s are retired prior to that mark, the majority around 100.000 hours. Look at the three AF 744s currently dismantled at Kemble, they have not even even reached 90.000 (looking at that though it seems almost sure to me that AFs 744s dont have the life extension package LHs 744s came with).


User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11960 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
it was covered here several months ago.

Could someone provide a link? I did a search but couldn't find info... and as I don't read German (in the original post article), I'd like to know the routes. Thanks!


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1009 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 15):
I'd like to know the routes.

Hi trent1000

routes are

FRA-HAM, Wed and Fri, 9 rotations a day
FRA-TXL, 20 rotations (didn't say if it is daily)
FRA-MUC, 3 rotations (didn't say if it is daily)

Hope that helps  

Cheers
micha


User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11375 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 15):
Could someone provide a link? I did a search but couldn't find info... and as I don't read German (in the original post article), I'd like to know the routes. Thanks!
LH To Use 747 On Some Domestic Flights In Sep (by Tobias2702 Jul 14 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineohsopc From Thailand, joined Jul 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Maybe they took a page out of their long time star partner TG's domestic ops book hahahaha

User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10025 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 5):
D-ABTK was already in Hamburg last Friday evening (17-Sep) as LH022 coming from Frankfurt.
And I was on it!

Forgot to mention:
In FRA we used Gate A15 but were bused to apron position V125.
Boarding and de-boarding was via stairs. Obviously boarding for the return flight LH023 was also via stairs.
Push Back was 12 minutes, On Block 14 minutes behind schedule.
I was seated in last Y cabin section, row 54. I saw only very few empty seats and would think that load factor was over 95 percent.


User currently offlinenicoeddf From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

Quoting LH506 (Reply 4):
will LH keep all their 29 + 1 stored 747s, even with the 380s coming?

Yep. HAM stored D-ABTA will be back in service from March 2011 onwards.

With more than the 4ea 2010 delivered A380 (D-AIMA through -MD) arriving in 2011/2012 as well as the 747-8i with planned first delivery 12/2011 the 744 will slowly be phased out according to...

Quoting na (Reply 8):
The 744s will be flown until they reach 120.000 flight hours or a major service around that time. From what I know the oldest 744s have 2-3 years to go to reach that.

...this schedule.


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1861 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9678 times:
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I spoke with a LH flight attendant last week, who told me that LH would also be sending the 744 to ATH. Can anyone confirm this? I'm short on time and cash, but I would have loved taking another LH 744 ride...

Martijn



Nothing's worse then flying the same registration twice, except flying it 4 times..
User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9376 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 16):
Hope that helps
Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 16):
LH To Use 747 On Some Domestic Flights In Sep (by Tobias2702 Jul 14 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Yes, Thanks very much!


User currently onlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9376 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 10):
Has LH used 747s this way before, on a regular basis?
Quoting Cysafan (Reply 12):
No... They only used their A330-200 for domestic flight some years ago instead..

Well, until they got rid of their A300-600s a couple of years ago, they were the most frequent plane in the backbone domestic routes where the 744s are now being deployed: FRA-MUC/HAM/TXL.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 21):
I spoke with a LH flight attendant last week, who told me that LH would also be sending the 744 to ATH.

During summer LH used to put one or two 300s on some of the FRA-BCN rotations too. I wonder if they will use the 744 on that route too. It would be cool: a 744 on BCN-FRA, downgauging to a 333 for FRA-ORD!



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9320 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):
The 744s will be flown until they reach 120.000 flight hours or a major service around that time. From what I know the oldest 744s have 2-3 years to go to reach that.

There was an interesting thread in Dec-2008 about some of LH's 747s reaching 100,000 flight hours. It was said that the 747s clock around 5,000 hours per annum thus the first planes might leave already sometime next year.

LH 747-400 Reaching 100.000 Fhrs (by Desediez Dec 22 2008 in Civil Aviation)


25 TheSonntag : Time to find a new name for the 747. My bid would be "Kontbagger".
26 columba : 4 Engines 4 Short Haul - the idea is really funny that you would fly TXL - FRA with a 747 and on the connecting transatlantic flight you would fly in
27 CODC10 : Do we know what specific flights LH will be operating the 747s on? I have a few intra-Germany legs coming up in C and would like to try to catch a 747
28 Post contains links TheSonntag : Check this thread, though I cannot tell if it is still correct. LH To Use 747 On Some Domestic Flights In Sep (by Tobias2702 Jul 14 2010 in Civil Avi
29 MD95 : They also used DC10 regurarly which I often used betwween Frankfurt and Munich.
30 UALWN : Hey, I already said that!
31 daviation : Last year I flew on the following LH 744s: Boeing 747-430 D-ABTB City of Brandenburg (EWR-FRA) - this ship was delivered in 1989, but appeared in exce
32 Boeing747_600 : Last year I fkew D-ABVS (Saarland) FRA - BLR. It was a bit uncomfortable - the metallic lining of the pouch in front of me did a number on my knees.
33 flyingalex : Just a quick correction - Brandenburg and Nordrhein-Westfalen are "Bundesländer" (federal states). Wolfsburg is the only city in the list. LH 744s a
34 PEET7G : Anyone have some info if these domestic 744 operations might continue later? October, November, etc?
35 Post contains links point2point : LH will be using a 744 for its FRA-DEN flight starting in S11, and will replace the 346 and provide an upgrade in seating capacity. I would imagine th
36 Avianca : can rember very on a flight 1993 MUC-FRA were I had the chance also the catch the DC-10 on a early morning flight
37 flyingalex : FRA-DEN has been operated with a 744 before. No problems unless it gets really, really hot. After all, that is why DEN built their runways to be that
38 point2point : Thank you. That was my first thought, that there would be no restrictions. Just needed to double check since I wasn't completely sure. And since the
39 CptGirmayTesfa : What is the economic sense of flying the 744 domestically? These planes have not been designed for this.
40 debonair : None, I guess. But LH is having huge problems. Especially the evening flights are fully full and nearly always overbooked. The routes Hamburg-/Berlin
41 SeJoWa : Isn't this the poster child for Keesje's 767-On-Shorthauls concept?
42 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Are these intra-Germany flights with the LH744s a 3 class service? If we fly in F can we use the LH First Class Terminal lounge and the F lounges in M
43 Thorben : Just checked LH's website, it seems they have stopped the 744 domestic flights. No, no F class. Your opinion.
44 robffm2 : Quoting myself: AFAIK the flight was sold as a two-class service only.
45 YULWinterSkies : I would not call being so successful a 'huge problem'. There are many airlines who would like to encounter that kind of problem. The economic sense i
46 na : 50% right. Actually half of LHs 744s are quite young, 8-14 years old. Half of the A340-300 fleet or more will likely be gone before those planes will
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