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BA Long Haul Changes At LGW  
User currently offlinesam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17049 times:

Changes for the LGW long haul network for summer 2011, announced today alongside the HND and EZE news.

Barbados - 10 weekly to 12 weekly
Antigua - five weekly to six weekly
St Lucia / Port of Spain - five weekly to daily
Tampa - five weekly to daily
Cancun - two weekly to three weekly

One decrease is Orlando, which goes from nine weekly to daily. Is Orlando suffering at the moment? Aren't VS reducing their capacity to A330s soon?

I'm surprised to see no changes to the Male and Sharm el Sheikh routes. I was also hoping Mauritius would move to LGW next summer to make way for further long haul growth at LHR.

No news on LGW short haul yet. Any predictions? I'd be interested to hear if Antalya, Izmir and Paphos are coming back as they're stopping for the winter next month (all three routes have been year round in previous years).


Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17028 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Tampa - five weekly to daily

Makes perfect sense. AA can help here as well, with ATI/JV in place.



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User currently offlinemptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16987 times:

How can AA help here? TPA is not an AA hub!!

User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16972 times:

Huh?
AA doesn't have a FF base in Tampa?
Without ATI/JV in place, there was no incentive for AA to give TPA int'l traffic to BA. Now there is.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2858 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16884 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 1):
Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Tampa - five weekly to daily

Makes perfect sense. AA can help here as well, with ATI/JV in place.

Maybe BA can help AA too, by routing people LGW-TPA-SJU  .



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16836 times:
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Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Aren't VS reducing their capacity to A330s soon?

In capaciy terms, VS looks to be having a slight decrease at MAN and a slighit increase at GLA. Don't know in term of thier LGW ops.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16815 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
Maybe BA can help AA too, by routing people LGW-TPA-SJU

And that is a good thing for AA, with B6 and FL jumping in the TPA-SJU market... 



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16746 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 5):

In capaciy terms, VS looks to be having a slight decrease at MAN and a slighit increase at GLA. Don't know in term of thier LGW ops.

Overall with new routes MAN will actually see an increase in capacity.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8761 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16052 times:
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Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
St Lucia / Port of Spain - five weekly to daily

This is excellent news for POS/UVF PAX since the POS state owned carrier BW has neglected both UVF/LGW for over three years! Congrats BA!


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7403 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15703 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Cancun - two weekly to three weekly

And this service does not start until 3 November. So advanced bookings must be exceeding expectations.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3197 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15367 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Aren't VS reducing their capacity to A330s soon?

I thinks so, and the cabin will have no Upper Class, just Premium and Y.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3331 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14473 times:

Does this mean that an additional 777 will be based at LGW, or where else is the increased capacity coming from?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14252 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Cancun - two weekly to three weekly

Everybody and their family want to go to Cancun. Sorta like a piece of Florida stuck on to mexico. Yields must be trashy though...

I bet it is really popular with the crews though.



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User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13779 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
St Lucia / Port of Spain - five weekly to daily

This route will also now receive FIRST class on four days of the week. Looks like an extra 4-class aircraft will move over to Gatwick doing the UVF flights as well as BGI/GND on Sunday.

Quoting sam1987 (Thread starter):
Antigua - five weekly to six weekly
St Lucia / Port of Spain - five weekly to daily

Interesting that UVF was flown just three times a week via Antigua until a couple of years ago, and will now have daily direct services including First Class.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3197 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13506 times:

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 13):
Interesting that UVF was flown just three times a week via Antigua until a couple of years ago, and will now have daily direct services including First Class.

SO, that's where all the English Bankers bonus went after we bailed them out, I was wondering.  



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User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13463 times:

Interesting to see the new Cancun route doing well and being increased.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 5):
In capaciy terms, VS looks to be having a slight decrease at MAN and a slighit increase at GLA. Don't know in term of thier LGW ops.

VS's capacity changes are temporary - as the A333s come next year, they'll initially sub for the LGW config'd 747s that are being refitted, then be used for growth.


User currently offlinePBOA380FAN From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13210 times:

Any reason why BA haven't moved their PLS/NAS service to Gatwick? Does the service warrant demand to be at Heathrow? My thoughts as the service is operated on a B767-300 is there not a large demand for it to move to LGW and operate on a 777?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12906 times:

Quoting PBOA380FAN (Reply 16):
Any reason why BA haven't moved their PLS/NAS service to Gatwick? Does the service warrant demand to be at Heathrow? My thoughts as the service is operated on a B767-300 is there not a large demand for it to move to LGW and operate on a 777?

A) The 767s are Heathrow based
B) both of those services continue on to GCM which a business route, not leisure...think banking.
c) While the GCM route is very profitable as a 767 a move to a 772 and to LGW would kill it. GCM is nice little $ secret that BA has. Look for this to become a 788 route.



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User currently onlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3229 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12842 times:

Quoting PBOA380FAN (Reply 16):
Any reason why BA haven't moved their PLS/NAS service to Gatwick? Does the service warrant demand to be at Heathrow? My thoughts as the service is operated on a B767-300 is there not a large demand for it to move to LGW and operate on a 777?

I've also heard that the 777 may be limited when operating into the shorter runways at PLS and GCM.

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 13):
This route will also now receive FIRST class on four days of the week. Looks like an extra 4-class aircraft will move over to Gatwick doing the UVF flights as well as BGI/GND on Sunday.

POS is probably the market for which the FIRST product is being targeted. When BA did POS from LGW via BGI on some days the flights had FIRST - correspondingly the daily BGI terminator flights on those days had 3-class aircraft.

Good to see the various route expansions.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12788 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):
POS is probably the market for which the FIRST product is being targeted. When BA did POS from LGW via BGI on some days the flights had FIRST - correspondingly the daily BGI terminator flights on those days had 3-class aircraft.

Good to see the various route expansions.

Now if they would jsut take a risk (if you can even call it) on BZE like they did with UVF some years ago...they could finish locking up the former colonies.



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User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12693 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):
I've also heard that the 777 may be limited when operating into the shorter runways at PLS and GCM.

When did a short runway stop BA 777s taking off, eh!?   



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12606 times:

Quoting CaptainMeeerkat (Reply 20):
When did a short runway stop BA 777s taking off, eh!?   

It didn't in SKB did it
  


Seriously, I don't think there is an issue in GCM....especially since it is westbound and there is a stop (even if it were n/s) and it will not be at MTOW. I think the issue is at PLS



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):
Good to see the various route expansions.

But no increase in capacity over all - just re-jigging flights


User currently offlinePBOA380FAN From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

Good news for Cancun, great leisure destination now offering a scheduled service once again. I remember BA serving Cancun afew years on a DC-10......along with Havana. Both routes stopped for some reason. Perhaps at that time there wasnt the demand like now.

Shame BA couldnt hope over to Puerto Vallarta.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12411 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 22):
Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):
Good to see the various route expansions.


But no increase in capacity over all - just re-jigging flights

I make it 6 extra Caribbean flights per week, so its a probably near to a 20% increase in capacity


25 vv701 : BA have been strongly marketing flights to holiday destinations plus the opportunity to book 4 and 5 star hotel accomodation at those destinations on
26 Post contains images USXguy : Not really. They speak better English in Cancun
27 planesarecool : Looking at the timetable, there do seem to be a few gaps: Monday: 8 aircraft (UVF,ANU,MCO,TPA,BGI,BDA,KIN,SSH) Tuesday: 8 aircraft (UVF,ANU/SKB,BGI,MC
28 ANstar : 6 extra flights But we will/have lost LGW-MCO loses 2 flights (for TPA) LGW-KIN loses 1 flight (for CUN) LGW -BDA loses 1 flight(for CUN) So as for t
29 planesarecool : BDA is 7x weekly during the Summer. I can't count the amount of times I've said this. Besides, BDA and CUN are completely unrelated, using different
30 Bongodog1964 : Neither KIN or BDA is mentioned in the BA press release, indeed BDA is still shown at the same frequency on the timetables for next summer, though KI
31 planesarecool : It's seven extra weekly flights next summer compared to summer 2010:
32 sam1987 : So comparing summer 2010 to summer 2011 that's seven extra weekly flights, ie: one extra aircraft. I wouldn't be surprised to see another 777 based t
33 Bongodog1964 : It appears strange to timetable with a three aircraft fluctuation, when it could easily be reduced to one, by moving an ANU flight from Thursday to We
34 planesarecool : Well no, because five of the seven additional frequencies are being operated by 4-class aircraft and the remaining two are being operated by 3-class
35 BA174 : I think we will see some aircraft jigs here. I will say one aircraft from LHR will move down to LGW (4cl) and an additional RR three class will move t
36 acelanzarote : Like the sound of FLL from LGW but is it likely at the end of the day?
37 BA174 : It was rumered last year but nothing became of it instead we had MBJ/SSH/MLE launched.
38 GSTBA : BA are planning, at the moment to transfer one of the 3 Class RR aircraft from LHR to LGW for S11. The total S11 BA LH fleet will increase by 5 aircr
39 HeeBeeGB : ADB/PFO/AYT are definitely coming back for s11
40 sam1987 : Not even for short haul? Has this been announced? As far as I can see on ba.com the summer 2011 short haul timetables are a direct copy of the summer
41 planesarecool : There must be a four-class aircraft coming too, as the current schedule has 19 4-class services per week (7x BDA, 8x BGI and 4x UVF). I'd imagine tha
42 sam1987 : The summer 2010 timetable was only confirmed around December last year. This meant lots of unhappy passengers as BA made major changes to its short h
43 planesarecool : The summer 2010 timetable isn't confirmed until it actually operates. But BA wouldn't sell seats on routes they don't intend on operating, end of sto
44 HeeBeeGB : ADB/AYT/PFO are returning for s11, end of.
45 BA174 : Almost all of the G-VII* 777s have done spells at LGW at some point so it could be abyone of them. If they have a surplus of RR three class aircraft
46 AirNZ : Actually, it's not the 'end of story' at all. Sam1987 is, in fact, perfectly correct....a substantial number of seats were sold last year on flights
47 planesarecool : Are you arguing for arguments sake? Because the fact is, what is showing for next summer isn't a direct copy of this summer's timetable, and ADB/PFO
48 skipness1E : Looking at the number of daily BA B777 movements by recent years : Season Flights 2005S 59 2005W 60 2006S 63 2006W 62 2007S 64 2007W 64 2008S 46 2008W
49 SexyAdonis : Anyone has information on how the LGW/ANU/PUJ/ANU/LGW route is performing? Would it be possible to see a rotation LGW/PUJ/SDQ/LGW, similar to what Air
50 skipness1E : The business model at Gatwick for long haul is focussed on point to point leisure with the Euro Gatwick operation adding some feed but it's not a focu
51 sam1987 : EDI, GLA, MAN and JER are the BA domestics that feed the long haul at LGW. I would also expect AMS, MRS and FCO to provide a lot of feed. Maybe codes
52 anstar : I believe Virgin Atlantic also operate with similar fluctiations... I notice on some days a VS 744 sitting around the apron near the hangar as I do a
53 Bongodog1964 : I can understand one aircraft being surplus to requirements on some days, but to have a requirment for 10 one day and 7 the next, appears a little ex
54 BA174 : During the summer the four class aircraft are at 100% utilisation will no spares at LGW to replace them should something go wrong.
55 vv701 : My understanding was that since the loss of G-YMMM there has been full utilisation of the LGW 772 fleet while previously there was a spare, back-up a
56 planesarecool : True, but one of the aircraft has a nine hour turnaround every day at Gatwick between BGI arrival and BDA departure, so there's plenty of time to mak
57 HeeBeeGB : LGW-SJU 2x weekly from s11 announced
58 FlyCaledonian : Days? Flight numbers?
59 A340600 : Interesting times! It's enough fun landing a 767 into GCM!
60 Sketty222 : I agree with AirNZ on this one. An airline will sell seats on a route whether it plans to operate it or not. The revenue is brought in and whether th
61 planesarecool : Not very many, hence why these routes are being (unsurprisingly) cut for the winter season. If it is a tag-on from ANU it will almost certainly be tw
62 flymia : With the ATI when I go onto AA.com and live in tampa and want to fly to London instead of only showing TPA-ORD/MIA/DFW-LHR it will show TPA-LGW opera
63 Post contains links and images vv701 : The special offer holidays offered by BA at: http://www.britishairways.com/travel...e&openxbanner=4845&openxtype=click are only from domestic
64 AirJamaica : Just to clarify. MBJ was a re-launch.
65 chepos : YAY BA returns to San Juan, how exciting is this. I wonder wht this means for the seasonal VS flight. Best of luck to BA on its return to Puerto Rico,
66 anstar : Dunno - perhaps they will go year round but use the 333 instead?
67 planesarecool : As suspected, it is a tag-on from ANU operating on Mondays and Fridays operating as BA2157/6. With all ANU flights now occupied with tag-ons, it will
68 Post contains links Humberside : May well depend on UK APD http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...+growth+if+apd+rises+continue.html
69 Post contains images einsteinboricua : BA 2156 on a 777 Mondays with one stop. I have yet to find the other flight. But hey, the 777 returns (apart from the occasional 777 service from DL,
70 planesarecool : As mentioned above, Mondays and Fridays via Antigua.
71 Dellatorre : Seriously, I dont understand why BA still operates long-hauls from LGW . They should shut down the LGW base in concentrate everything on LHR & LCY
72 anstar : Because they would need slots to operate these flights from LHR which they don't have.
73 planesarecool : The long haul routes from Gatwick are focused on point to point leisure traffic, so have no requirement for connecting traffic. Leisure passengers ge
74 HeeBeeGB : Seriously, if you don't understand a market then don't make sweeping (incorrect) statements.
75 vv701 : Since they could not operate these flights from LHR They would need to get rid of around 10 long haul and at least 14 short haul aircraft. In the cur
76 Sketty222 : This must have changed recently as you could previously book packages from continental Europe to any of BA's destinations where they offer ground pro
77 BA174 : I notice that new first is now available from LGW. It appears G-VIIB and G-VIIU have swapped bases. I doubt it is a permanent swap however. I think it
78 Crosswind : BA operate a lot of long-haul "leisure" oriented routes from Gatwick, for the same reason Air France operate a similar set of leisure/colonial routes
79 skipness1E : Epic fail! Worth remembering that in the recent crisis BA LGW Long Haul was the only part of the whole company making any money!
80 HeeBeeGB : G-VIIU will be at LGW for 10 days only as it was tied in with WW flying to BGI for 2 days
81 Post contains images BA174 : Aircraft swapping just for Willie to get new first on a ride to BGI eh..........
82 sam1987 : You'll probably find he wasn't sitting in it - he was probably chatting to crew and passengers in the other cabins and in the galley. I think First i
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