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Airline With Best Safety Record?  
User currently offlineAirgrumpy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Which airline has the best safety record for a major operating airline?

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

Qantas.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9011 times:

wasn't it ElAl?


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineChrisclohessy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9010 times:

Incorrect,

If I remeber correctly the order of the top 3 is:

1. Air Canada
2. Ansett Australia
3. Qantas

Can anyone verify?


User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9011 times:

You can look at the airline report card stats on air safety online. It lets you knowthe airlines rate, events, flights and grade.

< http://www.airsafetyonline.com/safetycenter/reportcard.shtml>

P.S. Whats the deal with Midwest Express getting a "D"? I was kind of surprised by that.


User currently offlineAnzett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

Cathay Pacific has the bets safety record.

User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8965 times:

Well it isn't Qantas after the Bangkok accident and it certainly isn't El Al (remember Amsterdam and a certain 747 crash?).

This is an unanswerable question - as Iwrite every time it comes up.

Just as Concorde was thought to be the safest aircraft until last July (it wasn't, until then one hadn't crashed but there had been many safety incidents), it is statistically now relatively unsafe on the basis of percentage of airframe losses.

You have to define this question in terms of:

Loss of life
non fatal injuries
airframe loss
major airframe damage
minor airframe damage.

An airline might injure a few dozen passengers one year, according to the statistics (but they may all be hurt in one turbulence incident) and that- until then - very safe airline slips down the ratings.

Had the Qantas 747 at Bangkok carried on a few yards further at a somewhat faster speed, there would have been deaths. The accident preserved the Qantas safety myth in the public mind and Qantas spent a fortune and bucked their insurer's decision to scrap the aircraft so that they could continue their record of not losing a jet hull. Yet the report slams the CRM and the company standards and training.


User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

P.S. Whats the deal with Midwest Express getting a "D"? I was kind of surprised by that.

All they look at is the number of accidents compared to the number of departures. Midwest Experss has only had one fatal accident, but they are a small and relatively young airline, so their "accident rate" is calculated to be higher than other carriers.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

This is an unanswerable question

It is an unanswerable question.

Besides the Concorde, we all think Singapore Airlines will never crash, because it's an excellent airline when it comes to Safety Records. But they crashed last year.


User currently offlineSJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

Every airline is safest until they crash...but really I think Korean Air is the safest.  Smile Just jokin but really I bet it's SWA or Qantas.

SJCguy


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8917 times:

Air Canada, Qantas, CX, JAL, BA all have excellent safety record.


Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8901 times:

I bet it's not Airtran

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8903 times:

On a rate per million flights basis, from best to tenth best:

1. All Nippon
2. Delta
3. British Airways
4. Lufthansa
5. Northwest Airlines
6. United Airlines
7. American Airlines
8. USAirways
9. Continental
10. Air Canada

All of which have an accident rate of less than 0.65 per million departures.

For the above sample, I only included airlines that have logged at least 2 million departures.

At the other end of the spectrum is Cubana, with a rate of 24.0 per million.

Cheers,

Charles


User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Hey, cfalk....

Looking at carriers with >2.0 Million departures since 1970....

the following carriers are the only ones to have reported zero fatal accidents:

Southwest 9.5 Million departures
SAS 5.4 Million departures
Ansett 2.52 Million departures
America West 2.3 Million departures


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Tx,

Right you are.

Charles


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Qantas for sure!

Qantas has never involved in any accidents (Major ones).

Regards.


User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

In Europe LTU has on of the best safety record!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8838 times:

Air Canada! :P

User currently offlineV Jet From Australia, joined May 1999, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

" The accident preserved the Qantas safety myth in the public mind and Qantas spent a fortune and bucked their insurer's decision to scrap the aircraft so that they could continue their record of not losing a jet hull."

Can you provide proof of that statement?


User currently offlineMac From United States of America, joined May 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Southwest Airlines has one of the best safety records if not the best. However, I don't know if Southwest would be catagorized as one of the industries major airlines compared with Quantas, United, El Al and the rest.

User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

What about Air China? They have never been involved in a major accident, as far as I know.

Michael
http://airways.ch


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

I recalled that an old issue of First Class Magazine, International Airline Passenger Association (IAPA) listed that Aer Lingus has one of the best, if not best, safety record. Is that true?

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8796 times:


You first have to find a common standard. Let´s take the top 50 airlines, by revenue passenger miles flown in 1999. Number of post war a/c losses:

VS - 0
EK - 0
TD - 1
HP - 1
WN - 1
GF - 2
QF - 2
SQ - 3
TP - 4
NZ - 4
BA - 5
CX - 5
LY - 5
MH - 6
SA - 7
AM - 7
AN - 7
OA - 8
US - 8
AC - 9
LH - 10
SK - 12
AS - 12
CO - 12
SR - 13
TG - 13
JL - 14
AZ - 15
CI - 16
MX - 16
MS - 16
CA - 17
NH - 17
KE - 17
AI - 18
SV - 18
DL - 18
SN - 19
TK - 19
KL - 22
NW - 24
PK - 27
VS - 31
GA - 31
AR - 32
AA - 34
UA - 41
TW - 42
IB - 43
AF - 78

(I included wholly owned subsidiaries, i.e. British Airtours for BA, Condor for LH etc.)

Hope this helps,

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1068 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

ouch -AF really stands out

you list VS twice ?? once with 0 and then with 31 ????

Virgin ??

rw774477


User currently offlineGo canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

Air Canada and QANTAS

Ac often come top or near top of safety leagues,though it is really hard to define.

Qantas have never had a major crash and if they have lost any people since they became a jet airline it is very minimal indeed.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
25 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : sorry - the "VS" with 31 is Varig - RG. Daniel VS - 0 EK - 0 TD - 1 HP - 1 WN - 1 GF - 2 QF - 2 SQ - 3 TP - 4 NZ - 4 BA - 5 CX - 5 LY - 5 MH - 6 SA -
26 737doctor : Mac, Southwest is considered a major airline as they earn more than one billion dollars in revenue per year.
27 Travatl : This "AirSafetyOnLine Report Card" is crap...and the rating system is completely out of whack.... ...it estimates ValuJet/AirTran has only operated .1
28 Sebolino : Damn. AF had 7 fatal accidents in the last 30 years. That means they had about 71 accidents in the 25 years before. Where did you get this information
29 Teej13 : I give repsect to the following: Aer Lingus - they've only lost one plane, way back in the late 1960s, and even today, Ireland's holding inquests into
30 VgnAtl747 : Virgin Atlantic !!!
31 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : I´ve got the information concerning AF´s 78 accidents (69 AF + 9 IT) from the aviation-safety.net (my favourite website for these purposes). I´m no
32 Travatl : This "AirSafetyOnLine Report Card" is crap...and the rating system is completely out of whack.... ...it estimates ValuJet/AirTran has only operated .1
33 Post contains images Sccutler : It all depends on what your source is- A record of performance and safety; Or Dustin Hoffman, in Rain Man. _________ And for those of you who try to c
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