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MCO Gate Switcheroo Starts Today  
User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 626 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Today begins the long foretold gate switcheroo at Orlando Int'l in an effort to balance out the passenger volumes at the East and West security checkpoints.
Conty is moving its operations today from A side on the 1-9 pier to the B side on the 30-39 pier, which now puts them right around the corner from their bedfellow UA on the 40's. Ops started out of 1-9 this morning, but tonight's arrivals will RON on the 30's. Check-in moved to B as of today.
In other news, SY and UP moved their check in counters from A side to B side effective today, as well.

Now that gates 2, 4-9 are vacant (G4 remains), what's the current timeline for JetBlue to take up residence on the west side? Also, are there any more imminent gate changes on the horizon after B6?


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User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

B6 gates on Airside 1 (1-9), plus 1 or 2 in the 20s should be ready by December. But B6 will not move until Jan11. Don't want to move in the middle of the holiday season. After B6 moves out of Airside 2, G4 will over there from Airside 1. There may also be a small shuffle of international flights between Airside 1 & 4 to coincide with the B6 move.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6662 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Fun. How many gates does CO and UA have at MCO?


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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1738 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
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Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2):
Fun. How many gates does CO and UA have at MCO?

Continental is only leasing 4, per their release. They will likely end up using at least one more on a pay-for-basis - if not an additional gate when EWR goes to hell. This is the former Northwest wing which has been completely redone. Before tonight it's been Spirit at 2 gates and Frontier/Midwest with 1.


User currently offlinepanam92 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2775 times:
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Just was wondering who has the old Pan Am gates. I havent been at MCO in 15 years. They had gate 1

[Edited 2010-09-23 13:33:01]

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Not to sound dumb, but didnt DL have a hub in MCO at one point?


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6662 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 5):
Not to sound dumb, but didnt DL have a hub in MCO at one point?

Yes back in the 90s and early 00's. MCO hosted the DL express and song operations. It's since been dismantled as a hub, but MCO still sees rather significant point to point services on Delta and IIRC, still operate 10 gates at MCO (maybe more.)

So how many gates does UA currently have at MCO and how close is CO combining their operations next to the current UA gates?



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User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 5):
Not to sound dumb, but didnt DL have a hub in MCO at one point?
http://www.departedflights.com/DLMCOhub.html

Yes, if you do a search you'll find a wealth of information. FWIW, most of the excess gates were relinquished during DL's bankruptcy. And despite airliners.net users' obsession with expanding MCO, the airport is sitting on oddles of capacity.

(edited to respond to)
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
Yes back in the 90s and early 00's

The hub was actually being developed into the mid-1990s, but was largely scrapped thereafter; from that time period forward (until DL's bankruptcy and the "fuel crisis" of 2008, when the operation was dismantled) it was a focus city for their LCC.

Hard to believe that at the turn of the millenium MCO was dominated by the likes of Delta and US Airways, today it's mostly Southwest, AirTran and JetBlue doing most of the P2P flying.

[Edited 2010-09-23 14:07:14]


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
Yes back in the 90s and early 00's. MCO hosted the DL express and song operations. It's since been dismantled as a hub, but MCO still sees rather significant point to point services on Delta and IIRC, still operate 10 gates at MCO (maybe more.)
Quoting compensateme (Reply 7):
Yes, if you do a search you'll find a wealth of information. FWIW, most of the excess gates were relinquished during DL's bankruptcy. And despite airliners.net users' obsession with expanding MCO, the airport is sitting on oddles of capacity.
Quoting compensateme (Reply 7):
The hub was actually being developed into the mid-1990s, but was largely scrapped thereafter; from that time period forward (until DL's bankruptcy and the "fuel crisis" of 2008, when the operation was dismantled) it was a focus city for their LCC.

Thanks guys. I just dug out the 1986 Annual Report from Delta stating where they are buildign up MCO to a true hub status with TATL and Hawaii capability to be finished by 1990-1991. Isnt this business funny sometimes?



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Monorail (Thread starter):
Now that gates 2, 4-9 are vacant (G4 remains), what's the current timeline for JetBlue to take up residence on the west side? Also, are there any more imminent gate changes on the horizon after B6?

They are doing some work on AS 1 in preparation for JBU - such as a new escalator I believe from the FIS etc. Besides Allegiant, VX is also going to use the soon to be former JBU gates.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 3):
Continental is only leasing 4, per their release

I believe 33, 35, 36 and 39

Quoting panam92 (Reply 4):
Just was wondering who has the old Pan Am gates. I havent been at MCO in 15 years. They had gate 1

GOAA owns Gate 1, Alaska Air uses it often for their overnight flight, their afternoon flight goes to Gate 10 usually. The wing that Gate 1 is in sits empty in preparation for JBU as COA used to be in the Gates 1-9 wing. Allegiant usually leases a couple of the GOAA gates in that wing.

Quoting Clipper136 (Reply 1):
1. There may also be a small shuffle of international flights between Airside 1 & 4 to coincide with the B6 move.

Well of course JBU will move all international operations to Airside 1. There is a possibility that EIN might move to AS 4, heard maybe Martinair too. Air France when they come in June will use AS 4


User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 8):

Thanks guys. I just dug out the 1986 Annual Report from Delta stating where they are buildign up MCO to a true hub status with TATL and Hawaii capability to be finished by 1990-1991. Isnt this business funny sometimes?

Not really. In the mid-1980s, MCO hadn’t developed into the low-yield (junk-yield) environment that attracted an onslaught of successful LCC. Without a strong, diversified fare environment (usually driven by corporate travel), no hub will successful -- regardless of the local traffic.

The among of capacity the legacies (sans Continental) have relinquished at MCO since the turn of the millennium is telling.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 10):
The among of capacity the legacies (sans Continental) have relinquished at MCO since the turn of the millennium is telling.

Continental has stayed pretty static only because they haven't had much to cut - they've been only flying to CLE/EWR/IAH for the past 15 years. Can't really cut much there, while AA/UA/DL/US (and NW pre-merger) all had some P2P flying out of Orlando.

The CoCo flying out of there on Gulfstream is all at-risk flying where CO network planning doesn't have a say in the matter.


User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 11):
Continental has stayed pretty static only because they haven't had much to cut - they've been only flying to CLE/EWR/IAH for the past 15 years. Can't really cut much there, while AA/UA/DL/US (and NW pre-merger) all had some P2P flying out of Orlando.

That's true, but additionally all legacies (sans Continental) have slashed capacity from MCO into most of their respective hubs. I was at MCO on January 1st and 2nd 2000 and have pictures of the UA B763, AA AB6, DL 767 & L1011, NW DC10, TW 763, TZ L1011, etc. that were staples into MCO during that time period. Heck, UA barely sends anything larger than a 320 into MCO these days, let alone the pair of B763 (from ORD) that were common back then.

CO’s capacity has remained stable (if not grown) largely because it didn’t operate the oddles of capacity its peers did.



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