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OAG Changes 9/24/2010:1X/B6/CO/DL/FL/KX/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8984 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route


1X
Schedule re-extended two months in 4 markets...
BKG-AUS 0>1 NOV-DEC
BKG-DSM 0>4/WK NOV-DEC
BKG-HOU 0>1 NOV-DEC
BKG-MDW 0>4/WK NOV-DEC


AA
DTW-ORD 6>7 FEB-
ORD-MHK 1>0 FEB-

B6
BOS-LAS 1>2 JAN-FEB
IAD-LGB 2>1 JAN-
IAD-OAK 1>4/WK JAN-FEB
JFK-ORD 3>2 JAN-
JFK-RIC 2>0 NOV-
LAS-LGB 3>4 FEB-
LGB-SFO 5>4 NOV-

CO
EWR-JAX 5>4 JAN-FEB
CLE-PHX 2>1 JAN-FEB

DL
ATL-AVL 10>9 JAN-
ATL-BNA 11>10 JAN-
ATL-CHS 12>11 JAN-
ATL-CLT 12>10 JAN-FEB
ATL-DAY 6>5 JAN-FEB
ATL-DSM 4>3 JAN-
ATL-DTW 10>9 JAN-MAR
ATL-MSY 12>11 JAN-FEB
ATL-OAJ 5>4 JAN-FEB
ATL-ORD 11>10 JAN-FEB
ATL-PWM 2>1 JAN-FEB
ATL-SDF 10>9 JAN-FEB
ATL-SYR 4>3 JAN-FEB
ATL-TLH 10>11 JAN-FEB
DTW-ICT 1>0 JAN-FEB
DTW-IND 8>7 JAN-FEB
DTW-LIT 2>1 JAN-FEB 3>2 MAR-
DTW-SDF 5>4 JAN-
DTW-SEA 4>3 FEB-
JFK-IND 2>1 DEC-FEB
JFK-PHL 2>1 DEC-FEB
JFK-PIT 5>4 DEC-FEB
JFK-SEA 3>2 JAN-FEB
MEM-EWR 3>2 DEC-
MSP-ALB 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-DEN 7>6 JAN-FEB
MSP-DFW 6>5 JAN-FEB
MSP-DLH 6>5 JAN-FEB
MSP-LGA 8>7 JAN-FEB
MSP-MIA 3>2 DEC-
MSP-ORF 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-PVD 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-TUL 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-YUL 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-YVR 3>2 JAN-FEB
SLC-BOI 8>7 JAN-FEB
SLC-COS 3>2 JAN-FEB
SLC-DFW 5>4 JAN-FEB
SLC-FCA 4>3 JAN-FEB
SLC-GEG 7>6 JAN-FEB
SLC-JAC 4>3 JAN-FEB
SLC-MSO 5>4 JAN-FEB
SLC-PHX 7>6 JAN-FEB

FL
BMI-RSW 0>3/WK MAR-
BUF-RSW 0>3/WK MAR-
IND-LAS 0>3/WK MAR-
MLI-RSW 0>3/WK MAR-
RSW-ROC 1/WK>3/WK MAR-

KX
IAD-GCM 0>2/WK DEC-

NK
FLL-PUJ 0>3/WK FEB-

UA
DEN-CVG 2>1 JAN-FEB
DEN-LAS 7>6 JAN-FEB
DEN-PIT 3>2 JAN-FEB
DEN-SGF 3>2 JAN-FEB
DEN-YVR 3>2 JAN-
LAX-MEX 1>2 OCT-DEC; 1/WK>3 JAN-
LAX-SLC 2>3 FEB-
ORD-MEX 0>2 DEC-
ORD-SPI 4>3 JAN-
SFO-MEX 1>2 NOV-
SFO-GEG 3>2 JAN-

UP
Finally fixed their schedule
FLL-FPO 0>9/WK NOV-
FLL-NAS 0>3 NOV-
MCO-NAS 0>2 NOV-
MIA-NAS 0>3 NOV-
PBI-MHH 0>5/WK NOV-

US
CLT-MCO 8>9 DEC-
CLT-PBI 4>6 DEC-
CLT-RSW 4>6 DEC-
CLT-SAN 2>1 JAN-
CLT-SEA 3>1 JAN-
CLT-TPA 7>8 DEC-
DCA-FLL 3>4 DEC-
DCA-TPA 5>4 JAN-FEB
DEN-PHL 3>2 JAN-
PHL-FLL 4>5 DEC-
PHL-LAX 5>4 DEC-MAR
PHL-MIA 3>4 DEC-
PHL-RSW 2>3 DEC-JAN; 2>4 FEB-
PHL-SEA 3>1 JAN-
PHL-SFO 5>3 JAN-
PHX-PIT 3>2 JAN-

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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8762 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KX
IAD-GCM 0>2/WK DEC-

Is this a small expansion by KX? or just a route resumed?

[Edited 2010-09-22 21:03:37]


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co. or Airt
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8738 times:

Man, PIT is getting downsized by DL to JFK, UA to DEN, and by US to PHX. Perhaps it's seasonal adjustments...


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8474 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MHK 1>0 FEB-

This didnt last very long did it?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-OAK 1>4/WK JAN-FEB
JFK-ORD 3>2 JAN-

Anybody else find these at least slightly pathetic? JetBlue has such a huge marketshare at JFK, and all they can make money on is 2 flights a day to ORD? As for IAD-OAK... those are both "focus cities" for them, I wonder if Southwest has anything to do with this even though they don't fly the route nonstop?

'902



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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LAX-MEX 1>2 OCT-DEC; 1/WK>3 JAN-
LAX-SLC 2>3 FEB-

MEX-LAX upgrade isnt surprising at all. This is exactly what i expected, UA to increase this route quickly. UA/CO looks like they will have a pretty large operation from MEX soon

LAX-SLC is a little more surprising to see but it appears to be very seasonal.
I see the third daily frequency starting in early January just in time for Sundance and all the additional staff from LA going to set up. UA knows how huge a route that is during Jan I would be shocked if they started the third frequency right after Sundance in February. It looks like it starts right before the Dance at least according to UA.com. It looks to be an additional seasonal flight to catch the Sundance/Ski traffic i see it back to 2x daily in mid February on UA.com so it looks a little over a month of 3x daily then back to 2x daily. Thats what i see on UA.com unless this is continuing the Feb 3x longer?


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 3):
Anybody else find these at least slightly pathetic? JetBlue has such a huge marketshare at JFK, and all they can make money on is 2 flights a day to ORD?

Perhaps they are losing money on that route. I stand by my belief that B6's JFK operations are marginal at best

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-MCO 8>9 DEC-
CLT-PBI 4>6 DEC-
CLT-RSW 4>6 DEC-
CLT-SAN 2>1 JAN-
CLT-SEA 3>1 JAN-
CLT-TPA 7>8 DEC-
DCA-FLL 3>4 DEC-
DCA-TPA 5>4 JAN-FEB
DEN-PHL 3>2 JAN-
PHL-FLL 4>5 DEC-
PHL-LAX 5>4 DEC-MAR
PHL-MIA 3>4 DEC-
PHL-RSW 2>3 DEC-JAN; 2>4 FEB-
PHL-SEA 3>1 JAN-
PHL-SFO 5>3 JAN-
PHX-PIT 3>2 JAN-

This is almost all seasonal. Not sure about the PHX-PIT flight though


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1907 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 4):
LAX-SLC is a little more surprising to see but it appears to be very seasonal.
I see the third daily frequency starting in early January just in time for Sundance and all the additional staff from LA going to set up. UA knows how huge a route that is during Jan I would be shocked if they started the third frequency right after Sundance in February. It looks like it starts right before the Dance at least according to UA.com. It looks to be an additional seasonal flight to catch the Sundance/Ski traffic i see it back to 2x daily in mid February on UA.com so it looks a little over a month of 3x daily then back to 2x daily. Thats what i see on UA.com unless this is continuing the Feb 3x longer?

so do you think it might possibly be for the Sundance film festival then? 

All seriousness though, doesn't look like anything earth-shattering this week, glad to see UP got their schedule sorted out, I think they gave some a.netters quite a fright!


User currently offlinekstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MHK 1>0 FEB-

Geez, it hasn't even started yet. That sucks...



ALB, DTW, ORD, MDW, MCI, JFK, LGA, LHR, MAD, MSP, IAD, DCA, MCO, ATL, CVG, TUL, MHK, PHL, PIT, DFW, DAL, CLT, IND, AUS,
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-SEA 3>1 JAN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-SEA 3>1 JAN-

Ouch. I'm sure it's probably seasonal, but that's quite a hit for US. Where else can someone connect on them to get to the east coast? PHX? Probably would require a lot of double connections if you can't get on that one daily nonstop.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8081 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Ouch. I'm sure it's probably seasonal, but that's quite a hit for US. Where else can someone connect on them to get to the east coast? PHX? Probably would require a lot of double connections if you can't get on that one daily nonstop.

Or fly UA through DEN,ORD,IAD via Codeshare..

'902



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8067 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 9):
Or fly UA through DEN,ORD,IAD via Codeshare..

Good point, but US doesn't get any revenue from that, do they? I wouldn't think that'd be the outcome that they are looking for, but I guess if it's that slow after New Years, it makes sense. That's four transcons that they don't need to tie up an A32X on.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Oh My BGawd! I'm finding that enilria updates are like crack for me.. I just can't seem to get enough of them! I'm so freaking hooked!

Anywho...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DCA-FLL 3>4 DEC-
DCA-TPA 5>4 JAN-FEB

I wonder who will use these slots or are they allowed to hold them without use?



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7774 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BMI-RSW 0>3/WK MAR-

whoa. nice!



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I wonder who will use these slots or are they allowed to hold them without use?

I think you are misreading, they are simply taking one slot from DCA-TPA and shifting it to FLL.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3446 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

I think B6 is getting ready for a major pull down of short to medium domestic routes at JFK.

RIC is gone.

IAD, ORD, CLT, and RDU have token presences at best. As they continue to focus on BOS, I see all of these routes getting cut further or completely axed.

ORD started with 5 flights, went down to 4, then 3, now 2. I doubt they are on the route next year at all.


As I said in another post, and got flamed by JetBlue Lovers, if you keep cutting frequencies on business markets, you lose.

[Edited 2010-09-23 05:59:21]

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 1):
Is this a small expansion by KX? or just a route resumed?

I associate them with BWI, not IAD. I don't remember them flying it before. Others probably know better than I, though.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 4):
LAX-SLC is a little more surprising to see but it appears to be very seasonal.

I wonder if it is related to the Mexico service. I don't know about A/C types, but it's likely after they shifted things around they had some aircraft time left (not necessarily on the same A/C type as the Mexico flights).

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
Oh My BGawd! I'm finding that enilria updates are like crack for me.. I just can't seem to get enough of them! I'm so freaking hooked!

      I've been hooked for years which is why I do them. The deeper you watch, the more you understand the industry and learn how cause and effect and happens in an uber-competitive industry.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
I think B6 is getting ready for a major pull down of short to medium domestic routes at JFK.

I don't doubt that, but they never really add anything in JFK. They just move it to BOS.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-EWR 3>2 DEC-

It's just one flight, but again more MEM cuts. I really feel like MEM is replacing CVG as the source of aircraft for other things.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
As I said in another post, and got flamed by JetBlue Lovers, if you keep cutting frequencies on business markets, you lose.

  

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Ouch. I'm sure it's probably seasonal, but that's quite a hit for US. Where else can someone connect on them to get to the east coast? PHX? Probably would require a lot of double connections if you can't get on that one daily nonstop.

-Dave

Every winter they pull both SAN and SEA down to 1 daily flight. This year they had the 2nd and 3rd flights go much later than usual. That said I am surprised that neither market can at least support a 2nd daily flight


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 3):
As for IAD-OAK... those are both "focus cities" for them,

No. Neither IAD nor OAK are focus cities.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 3):
JetBlue has such a huge marketshare at JFK, and all they can make money on is 2 flights a day to ORD?

The competition won't be rolling over and conceding that route. I'm not surprised if B6 is having a tough time with ORD.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MHK 1>0 FEB-

Wow hasn't even started yet. Oh well, maybe they'll give it another chance if it happens to do well.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-SEA 3>1 JAN-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-SEA 3>1 JAN-

Is it just me, or are these pretty big cuts in service?



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

DID you happen to notice the equipment type for the extended 1X services. I show Dornier 328 turbprops . Evidently Vision Airlines will subservice this extension! Now that would be fun from CHicago to Branson!

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 1):
Is this a small expansion by KX? or just a route resumed?

Just a route resumption. They flew it last winter also.

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
I associate them with BWI, not IAD. I don't remember them flying it before. Others probably know better than I, though.



You're probably thinking of Air Jamaica who has been a long-time resident at BWI.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-AVL 10>9 JAN-
ATL-BNA 11>10 JAN-
ATL-CHS 12>11 JAN-
ATL-CLT 12>10 JAN-FEB
ATL-DAY 6>5 JAN-FEB
ATL-DSM 4>3 JAN-
ATL-DTW 10>9 JAN-MAR
ATL-MSY 12>11 JAN-FEB
ATL-OAJ 5>4 JAN-FEB
ATL-ORD 11>10 JAN-FEB
ATL-PWM 2>1 JAN-FEB
ATL-SDF 10>9 JAN-FEB
ATL-SYR 4>3 JAN-FEB
ATL-TLH 10>11 JAN-FEB
DTW-ICT 1>0 JAN-FEB
DTW-IND 8>7 JAN-FEB
DTW-LIT 2>1 JAN-FEB 3>2 MAR-
DTW-SDF 5>4 JAN-
DTW-SEA 4>3 FEB-
JFK-IND 2>1 DEC-FEB
JFK-PHL 2>1 DEC-FEB
JFK-PIT 5>4 DEC-FEB
JFK-SEA 3>2 JAN-FEB
MEM-EWR 3>2 DEC-
MSP-ALB 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-DEN 7>6 JAN-FEB
MSP-DFW 6>5 JAN-FEB
MSP-DLH 6>5 JAN-FEB
MSP-LGA 8>7 JAN-FEB
MSP-MIA 3>2 DEC-
MSP-ORF 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-PVD 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-TUL 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-YUL 2>1 JAN-FEB
MSP-YVR 3>2 JAN-FEB
SLC-BOI 8>7 JAN-FEB
SLC-COS 3>2 JAN-FEB
SLC-DFW 5>4 JAN-FEB
SLC-FCA 4>3 JAN-FEB
SLC-GEG 7>6 JAN-FEB
SLC-JAC 4>3 JAN-FEB
SLC-MSO 5>4 JAN-FEB
SLC-PHX 7>6 JAN-FEB

No CVG route cuts this week? Gee, I'm very surprised.

But I think that JFK-IND is getting cut back a flight because of Eagle's twice-daily entrance on the route.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6750 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
As I said in another post, and got flamed by JetBlue Lovers, if you keep cutting frequencies on business markets, you lose.

JFK was never all that suitable for short-haul business travel; LGA is just a lot more convenient from Manhattan. TV won't drive the purchase decision on short-haul flights, either. The same is true of LGB; B6 continues to see substantially lower yields on short-haul markets from LGB.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 3):
JetBlue has such a huge marketshare at JFK, and all they can make money on is 2 flights a day to ORD?

Market share at JFK doesn't compensate for the near-hourly flights on multiple carriers from LGA or for the massive market share advantages of AA & UA at ORD.

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
they never really add anything in JFK. They just move it to BOS.

It seems like no one (apart from Southwest) is willing to put up a fight for BOS.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 18):
Wow hasn't even started yet. Oh well, maybe they'll give it another chance if it happens to do well.

I don't know why MHK would be good in the Winter to ORD? If they were going to try that it should have been Summer.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 18):
Is it just me, or are these pretty big cuts in service?

Yes and no. Somebody else pointed out that they ran 1 trip the prior year, but any time you go from 3 to 1 in one schedule change it is surprising. You wonder why they didn't go to 2 and then see how the bookings would be.

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 19):
DID you happen to notice the equipment type for the extended 1X services. I show Dornier 328 turbprops . Evidently Vision Airlines will subservice this extension! Now that would be fun from CHicago to Branson!

Wow, I didn't see that. That might mean that Expressjet won't be back next year. I wonder who else would do it? Mesa? I'm shuddering... What is the range of the 328? Does that explain the reduced network?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):
You're probably thinking of Air Jamaica who has been a long-time resident at BWI.

Maybe. I might also be thinking of the 90s. Didn't Cayman go to BWI in the 90s? I don't pay that much attention to them. It's a little late in the season to put that flight in. I wonder why.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 21):
No CVG route cuts this week? Gee, I'm very surprised.

No, but MEM had a non-seasonal cut of 1 flight. It will be very interesting to see if MEM gets this stuff back in the Summer schedule or if the tide has changed.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Delta pilot leader in this article:
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stor...cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

In his letter, Moak summarizes his approach, quoting Sun Tzu, an ancient Chinese warrior and author of The Art of War, as saying: "It is the unemotional, reserved, calm, detached warrior who wins, not the hothead seeking vengeance and not the ambitious seeker of fortune."

Sounds like the boys in JetBlue and AirTran route planning need to read Tzu. LOL

Quoting ScottB (Reply 22):
It seems like no one (apart from Southwest) is willing to put up a fight for BOS.

Very true. B6 is very lucky to pick up such an important chip as BOS, although a better metaphor is probably Monopoly than poker.  


25 PSU.DTW.SCE : Another weekly OAG thread, another speculative post about MEM. This is one, midday, off-peak flight (CR7/CR9) they are removing at the slowest time o
26 SurfandSnow : I'm surprised this one didn't work out while all those other Eagle additions did. So that's 2 LGB flights cut and just one added...Did they already u
27 jlbmedia : Could this be an opening for AS to finally come to PHL? It has been rumored on and off over the last couple of years....
28 WesternA318 : I doubt it. UA only sends up CRJ-200's and the occassional -700 on LAX-SLC. You'd think with the Sundance traffic, UA might upgrade a/c to at LEAST a
29 smoot4208 : Again this is just their normal seasonal downgrade. If US sees the need to downgrade PHL-SEA by 66% in the winter( from 3 to 1 flights) I highly doub
30 Flying_727 : Agreed! I never saw this announced, but was happy to see FL adding this service. I hope they bring back LAS service before G4 announces it. Flying_72
31 flyguy89 : I know right? I practically wince just on instinct every time I scroll down DL's OAG adjustments but I've been surprised, there haven't been any CVG
32 exFATboy : The IAD-OAK and IAD-LGB cuts doesn't surprise me, IAD isn't really a "focus city" for B6 any more - look at the route map, its name isn't "focus city
33 WesternA318 : So different from the days when practically every hub connected to CVG was serviced by nothing smaller than a 767, eh?
34 compensateme : During the crux of the fall, CVG will peak (about 4 days per week) at about 150 departures.
35 flyguy89 : Indeed...multiple daily 767's to PDX and 757 service to cities like BDL and even ORF. I remember being so picky that I wouldn't even consider taking
36 WesternA318 : Back in the SLC L-1011 heydey...I remember picking my routings based solely on whether its was between 762's, 763's, 763ER's and L1011's, lol. Oh, an
37 stlgph : i wonder if they found most of their MLI-ATL-RSW flyers were coming from the BMI area.
38 HVNandrew : BDL actually had a morning 762 departure to CVG for years that returned later in the evening. It stayed around through around 2005 I think. BDL was o
39 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Yeah i agree Southwest and Jetblue(LGB) both fly mainline and Delta really flies to pretty much every LA area airport from SLC-SNA, LGB, LAX, ONT, BU
40 Post contains images deltal1011man : cut for two months. Yikes, Delta cuts a route back for two months (see DEC-FEB) and thats fear? Anyways, This is the norm for Delta, they always brin
41 TheGov : Well, if you look at the Delta listing, the only city pair listed that sees a flight increase is ATL-TLH. All of the other city pairs listed in this
42 enilria : What's unusual is that flight has no apparent resumption. Almost all the others are short-term. That makes it odd. I agree it is a nit, but if CVG co
43 DCA-ROCguy : Oh my goodness, an airline is actually *adding* seat capacity in ROC again. And it's on a brand new route. The route starts on Nov. 20. Advance booki
44 FutureUScapt : Or just that it's spring break season... There aren't going to be a significant amount of bookings on a route to FLA (or any domestic route, really)
45 PSU.DTW.SCE : The vast majority are RJ flying that is pulled down during the slowest time of the year.
46 deltal1011man : 8 of the listed are true cuts. the rest are for one month. (see DEC-FEB or JAN-FEB) Not sure why that is such a big deal, but Delta does its winter c
47 TOMMY767 : MEM-EWR 2x last year and then bumped up to 3x a day since June. Is the change seasonal related?
48 Post contains images enilria : Waaahhhhh-WAAAAHHH Hey Debbie Downer, his corn flakes don't need a dousing on this Friday morning. They are so nice to schedule their airline in defe
49 ScottB : I wouldn't be surprised if B6 eventually dumped IAD-BOS, given that they'll be flying DCA-BOS seven times daily. I think IAD-FLL/MCO would be more li
50 jetsetter629 : I just booked that flight last week and it's cut - it was the 12 am red eye. They still have the red eye to CLT so not sure why they dropped the PHL
51 enilria : That makes sense in one way, but not in another. If they left that they are sending an engraved invitation to WN/FL to fly it. Why cede it to another
52 ScottB : That's not entirely true; remember JetBlue's response to VX adding SFO-FLL? Then again, JetBlue HATES VX.
53 FlyPNS1 : Maybe, though all the LCC's have floundered at IAD. WN has cut IAD down to one of its smallest stations with only 8 flights. FL has a whopping four f
54 enilria : They weren't exactly defending it, they didn't fly it. I agree that was more about VX. Including B6. Hope springs eternal. Do you really think somebo
55 FlyPNS1 : Actually, before B6 there were some long stretches with no one but UA. And with fares tumbling on the DCA-BOS route plus super low-fares on the BOS-B
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