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New IWA Terminal To Be At Capacity Upon Opening  
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

The East Valley Tribune is reporting that the new terminal expansion at IWA will be at capacity upon opening in November. According to airport officials, G4's rapid growth has far exceeded expectations. Even if G4 does not add any more flights, traffic could still increase up to 11% simply due to G4 increasing the number of seats in its aircraft from 150 to 166.

G4's rapid growth at IWA even surprised G4. The airline did not expect the high level of demand in the warmer off season months. In addition, the airline did not expect the amount of reverse traffic since they do not advertise much in the Sunbelt regions its serves. However, a larger than expected number of Phoenix area residents booked flights to the smaller cities served by G4.

The new terminal expansion increases the number of gates by 2 for a total of 6 gates. The airport was supposed to expand the number of gates to a total of 8 in 2014, but G4's rapid growth has resulted in moving the project up by 2 years to 2012.

In addition, the permanent terminal planned for the east side of the airport was not expected to open for another decade. However, G4's rapid growth has triggered discussions for opening the terminal much earlier.

More information can be found at the link below.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/loc...2-c5c7-11df-a52a-001cc4c03286.html

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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

Awesome news indeed!


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
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Yes SBN-IWA flights were an instant hit when Allegiant started flying there.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Just how many destinations does G4 serve out of IWA?


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
Just how many destinations does G4 serve out of IWA?

I count 29 different destinations from AZA. I have flown the AZA-FAR route a few times and its always been sold out.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Airspace wise, the plan for the next 5-10 years (although probably nearer to 5) is to convert IWA's airspace to a Charlie -- currently a Delta -- and have the radar based at Phoenix TRACON P50. That means that in around 5 years, P50 will house radar services for Phoenix, Gateway (potentially), Prescott (2011), and Tucson (maybe 2012). I've heard discussion of the FAA taking over the ATCT ops eventually, but I've also heard it completely nixed by people who know what they're talking about, because it saves them so much money having it contracted. Either way, the FAA knows that something serious is going to have to be done because of the massive growth here, so if anything they're ahead of the game in that respect.

As for a new east terminal, there's zero chance of that happening until the airport gets at least 2-3 new carriers with consistent, established service. Whenever it does happen, it will probably coincide with the new Williams Gateway Freeway (SR 802) connecting the 202 Loop with US 60 west of Globe. And based on the economy, that probably won't happen for 6-8 years minimum, although it too could be sped up based on the success of the planned Gaylord Resort opening up on the former GM Proving Grounds.

The good news is that there's more than enough expansion space on the west side (current facilities) and they have plans for 2-3 expansions, all of which will be converted to FBO or business-use space whenever a new east terminal opens. Until there's a new purpose-built terminal, they'll be making do with small expansions to keep up with G4, which seems to be working out nicely!


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 4):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
Just how many destinations does G4 serve out of IWA?

I count 29 different destinations from AZA. I have flown the AZA-FAR route a few times and its always been sold out.

29 (28) & counting. Establishing airservice to Canada from IWA would be a gold mine for G4. Canadians flood the Valley each winter, especially since the drop in the US dollar. Routes to Canada would also provide reverse traffic to Canada as people escape the summer heat.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 5):
although it too could be sped up based on the success of the planned Gaylord Resort opening up on the former GM Proving Grounds.

I wouldn't count on this one happening until you start to see the structure going up. Developers will often announce projects that never get off the ground due to problems with funding, zoning, changing economic conditions, etc.

Once in the news frequently, I have not heard much about the Gaylord Resort recently and that is not a good indication. It wouldn't surprise me if they've abandoned their plans when the economy went into recession.

Several famous projects around the Valley never materialized after they were announced. The two that immediately come to mind is the Four Seasons resort along Tempe Town Lake and the Trump Towers in the Biltmore area.

[Edited 2010-09-23 18:17:11]

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Establishing airservice to Canada from IWA would be a gold mine for G4.

I think you're right, though they'll need help from the airport to do it - IWA is currently domestic only.



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User currently offlinerameshksm From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
IWA is currently domestic only

But does that matter for ops to Canada?


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
I think you're right, though they'll need help from the airport to do it - IWA is currently domestic only.

US bound flights from Canada are pre-cleared in Canada. IWA would not have to change anything to accomodate these flights.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

How many flights a day/week is G4 running out of IWA?


I remember as a bored teenager back in high school randomly driving around. I would occasionally head down towards IWA and it was pretty much a ghost town back town. In the mid to late 90s there was a small GA presence a few cargo operators and the ASU Polytech campus was still a dream. Going south on Power Rd past Guadalupe there was pretty much nothing but cotton fields. It is amazing to see what has happened in nearly 15 years time, though the encroachment by residential development to the north is a bit concerning. You would have thought the City of Mesa, Maricopa county, etc would have done more to appropriately zone the lands in the approach/departure corridors.

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):

I wouldn't count on this one happening until you start to see the structure going up. Developers will often announce projects that never get off the ground due to problems with funding, zoning, changing economic conditions, etc.

Once in the news frequently, I have not heard much about the Gaylord Resort recently and that is not a good indication. It wouldn't surprise me if they've abandoned their plans when the economy went into recession.

Several famous projects around the Valley never materialized after they were announced. The two that immediately come to mind is the Four Seasons resort along Tempe Town Lake and the Trump Towers in the Biltmore area.

I fear the fallout from the sub-prime housing bubble is going to be impacting the Valley's economy for a long-time. Certainly a good chunk of the southeast Valley near Williams was in the epicenter of that.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
US bound flights from Canada are pre-cleared in Canada. IWA would not have to change anything to accomodate these flights.

No, they need some sort of customs presence to accept pre-cleared flights. IWA has none. This was the problem with YVR-SNA a few years back.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
US bound flights from Canada are pre-cleared in Canada. IWA would not have to change anything to accomodate these flights.

No, they need some sort of customs presence to accept pre-cleared flights. IWA has none. This was the problem with YVR-SNA a few years back.

This is much different than a full blown FIS. To accommodate Canadian only flights is an easier obstacle to overcome than having to build a full blown FIS facility.

[Edited 2010-09-24 10:03:44]

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
US bound flights from Canada are pre-cleared in Canada. IWA would not have to change anything to accomodate these flights.

Preclearance is only available at certain Canadian airports. The only preclearence cities lacking service from Arizona are YOW and YHZ, and I'm not sure how willing G4 would be to enter markets already served by carriers from PHX.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
This is much different than a full blown FIS. To accommodate Canadian only flights is an easier obstacle to overcome than having to build a full blown FIS facility.

Absolutely, though it can still be a bureaucratic nightmare.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Establishing airservice to Canada from IWA would be a gold mine for G4

I believe they already do that to some extent with the cities they serve close to the border. I know a few people who have flown into Gateway via Bellingham who reside in Canada.

If IWA is to keep their only current airline happy, they need to act now. Everything that has made the airport a success so far is about to start turning people away IMHO. The current terminal is beyond capacity, its bursting at the seems. I have seen long lines of people waiting out the door and along the outside curb in 100 plus temps and baking in the West facing shadeless curb.

Parking, once the absolute gem of IWA is now becoming more of a hassle, and the "new lot" ( the apron area) that people now park in and take the shuttle is going to be full this fall.

I wish both G4 and IWA the best of luck, I just would hate to see them grow beyond each others means.

Congrats though are due for both, 3 cities this week alone!


User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 5):
As for a new east terminal, there's zero chance of that happening until the airport gets at least 2-3 new carriers with consistent, established service.

Who would be next? I do not see SY ever making the move and the discussions about WN seem to be a pipe-dream for a while especially with their recent city announcements.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 5):
Whenever it does happen, it will probably coincide with the new Williams Gateway Freeway (SR 802) connecting the 202 Loop with US 60 west of Globe. And based on the economy, that probably won't happen for 6-8 years minimum, although it too could be sped up based on the success of the planned Gaylord Resort opening up on the former GM Proving Grounds.

Having the flooding at Gaylord Opryland did not help this issue either. Gaylord has pulled back plans due to economy as well. I was hoping this would start soon but I too fear that this potential gem is now in jeopardy.

If they were smart, they would start the 802 now before housing developments and land costs start to increase. I just do not know if they can use stimulus funds to do so. The fact that the 202 is already getting HOV lanes (just a few years after opening) shows the even with the economic downturn, the SE Valley is growing and G4 and IWA started ramping up at the perfect time.

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
29 (28) & counting

Does anyone out there have time to list the destinations and the weekly frequency? The ONLY complaint I ever here about G4 is not being able to coincide travel plans with the limited flight offerings.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 16):
Does anyone out there have time to list the destinations and the weekly frequency? The ONLY complaint I ever here about G4 is not being able to coincide travel plans with the limited flight offerings.

I think G4 addressed this issue in a recent presentation. One of their growth initiatives was to add additional frequencies to exisitng routes.


User currently offlineWALmsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

I don't have any information on frequencies, but here are the destinations, as per the Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport website.

Bellingham, WA (BLI)
Billings, MT (BIL)
Bismarck, ND (BIS)
Bozeman, MT (BZN)
Cedar Rapids, IA (CID)
Colorado Springs, CO (COS)
Eugene, OR (EUG)
Fargo, ND (FAR)
Fort Collins-Loveland, CO (FNL)
Grand Forks, ND (GFK)
Grand Island, NE (GRI)
Grand Rapids, MI (GRR)
Great Falls, MT (GTF)
Idaho Falls, ID (IDA)
Medford, OR (MFR)
Missoula, MT (MSO)
Moline / Quad Cities, IL (MLI)
Northwest Arkansas, AR (XNA)
Pasco, WA (PSC)
Peoria, IL (PIA)
Rapid City, SD (RAP)
Redmond-Bend, OR (RDM)
Rockford, IL (RFD)
Sioux Falls, SD (FSD)
South Bend, IN (SBN)
Springfield, MO (SGF)
Wichita, KS (ICT)



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Establishing airservice to Canada from IWA would be a gold mine for G4.

Who's to say that Canada isn't already a "gold mine" for G4? Their flights from BLI, FCA, GTF, MOT and GFK draw heavily fom Canada. Further east, Plattaburgh, NY, and Bangor, ME, do the same on their flights to Florida. As an example of G4's "presence" in Canada, something like 85% of their GFK-LAS pax are Canadians.

So why "jump through all the hoops"...and incur the added costs...to serve airports in Canada when they can access the Canadian market successfully, at lower cost, from U.S. cities south of the border?

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 16):
I do not see SY ever making the move

Why not? They have no interline agreements with other airlines, maybe 4-5 daily flights max to/from PHX during peak season...and lots of people in their MSP catchment area who have ties to the East Valley.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 16):
Who would be next? I do not see SY ever making the move and the discussions about WN seem to be a pipe-dream for a while especially with their recent city announcements.

I think NK is the strongest possibility. They tried to push hard for FL before they opted for PHX. Virgin is a long shot since IWA does not really fit their profile, but on the other hand they do not serve PHX.

WN is a big question mark. IWA tried on several occassions to lure WN. I think the issue with WN is that they are concerned with canabalizing their PHX flights. IWA has to prove to them that they can pick up incremental traffic from IWA instead of canabalizing existing traffic out of PHX.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 19):
Who's to say that Canada isn't already a "gold mine" for G4?

I think you were the only one that said this.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 19):
Their flights from BLI, FCA, GTF, MOT and GFK draw heavily fom Canada. Further east, Plattaburgh, NY, and Bangor, ME, do the same on their flights to Florida. As an example of G4's "presence" in Canada, something like 85% of their GFK-LAS pax are Canadians

Absolutely they draw from Canada today, however, GFK is unique in that Winnepeg is a straight shot down the freeway. Other cities in Canada do not have the same DIRECT & CLOSE access to American destinations served by G4 the same way Winnepeg does.

For example, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Saskatoon are not close to any city served by Allegiant. It is over 200 miles from Regina to Minot, 400 miles from Saskatoon to Minot. Calgary is almost 400 miles to Great Falls, and Edmonton even further.

Therefore, even though they do draw from Canada today, there is a lot of potential customers that they are not reaching.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Has Spirit mentioned anything at all about serving Arizona, let alone IWA over PHX?

If and when that second airline is added who do you think it will be?


User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 21):

You are forgetting about Bellingham, WA. It is about 15 minutes south of the boarder. I have flown on G4 to BLI several times and have to say, it is a quick way to get into Langley, BC. It sure is nice to not fly into SEA then take the 2.5 hour drive north acorss the boarder!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 16):
Having the flooding at Gaylord Opryland did not help this issue either. Gaylord has pulled back plans due to economy as well. I was hoping this would start soon but I too fear that this potential gem is now in jeopardy.

My impression (though I don't know that I've heard it said explicitly) is that Gaylord didn't pay much for the Opryland repairs. They were quite well insured.



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25 EricR : As far as I am aware, I have not heard of Spirit expressing interest in serving Arizona recently, but I know IWA has tried to lure Spirit on a few of
26 FWAERJ : 27 destinations? Yikes. On a related note, FWA was also served from IWA by G4 for about a year and a half. It was dropped due to $4/gal fuel and (of
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