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DL M90s; How Many? Update?  
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11858 times:

Hi !

I know DL have been adding MD-90s for the last year and keep adding. How many do DL have now, How many are they getting ? How many are currently in service ? I read somewhere that DL will be getting ex-CZ M90s, is this for sure ?

Thanks !

The777Man


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User currently offlineairbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

On ops spec : 9201 - 9228
Already delivered to DL : 9201-9220, 9226
In service : 9201-9219


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11367 times:

Quoting airbuske (Reply 1):
On ops spec : 9201 - 9228
Already delivered to DL : 9201-9220, 9226
In service : 9201-9219

Thanks for your reply! Any idea when the remaining M90s will be delivered/put in service ?

WIll DL get the Japan Airlines M90s that will be parked soon ?

Thanks

The777Man



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User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3345 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):
WIll DL get the Japan Airlines M90s that will be parked soon ?

If there is a MD-90 out there, there is a good chance it will be flying for Delta soon. (Saudi Arabian aircraft excepted)


User currently offlinekbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

There are two Ex China Eastern MD90's still sitting on the ramp at Timco at GSO. They've been there for quite some time.

User currently offlinelambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10212 times:

I was spotting at Gravelly Point Park in D.C. the other day and heard a MD-90 rumble out to MSP on Saturday afternoon. You want to talk about impressive lift performance and engine noise. God bless DL for keeping the MD-90 in the domestic network!

User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9285 times:

Is there an easy way to visually discern a 90 from an 88? Is there a visual sloping of the 90 toward the front much like a crj900?


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 11):
Is there an easy way to visually discern a 90 from an 88? Is there a visual sloping of the 90 toward the front much like a crj900?

M90 have FATTER engines. If an 88 and 90 were next to each other, you could tell the difference.

Anybody know how many DL is planning on acquiring second hand?



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 11):
Is there an easy way to visually discern a 90 from an 88? Is there a visual sloping of the 90 toward the front much like a crj900?

Bigger engines and 2 windows between emergency exits on the 90 instead of just one on the 88. Also, the top of the vertical fin is dead straight on the 90, slightly curved on the 88.

[Edited 2010-09-24 19:42:19]


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Thanks for all he replies! So it looks like most of he M90s will eventually show up with DL. For now, DL only has contracted to buy the ex-Mu and ex-SK/KF M90s.

It seems to take a long time from delivery to DL until the aircraft is put into service with DL.

The777Man



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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

Booked MSP-BWI specifically on Delta next month to get on an MD-90. Never been, looking forward to it!


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User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8100 times:

Is DL going to own all the MD-90s produced eventually?

Shame the plane took so long to get sorted out in the beginning, it seems like a really decent aircraft.



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Quoting brons2 (Reply 16):
it seems like a really decent aircraft

Unless you are a passenger. Seats are way to thin and uncomfortable, the overhead bins will not allow a rollaboard to be slid straight in, it has to go in sideways, and the pitch is tight. I much prefer the old NW DC-9's. Lot more comfortable and easier to store your rollaboards.


User currently offlinejr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 969 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

Quoting brons2 (Reply 16):
Is DL going to own all the MD-90s produced eventually?

Shame the plane took so long to get sorted out in the beginning, it seems like a really decent aircraft.

It's a great aircraft. I remember when DL used to base their MD90 fleet out of DFW during their hub days at DFW. The first time I flew the MD90, i remember thinking what all the hype was about the 737-800. Would be great when Delta get's all the MD90s flying. What are their plans for the MD88/DC9-50 fleet?



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Quoting jr (Reply 18):
What are their plans for the MD88/DC9-50 fleet?

The MD-88 fleet will be upgraded with new seats and overhead bins and will have capacity increased to 149. Not sure about the DC-9-50 fleet (NW installed interiors similar to the 717 on them in the late 1990s/early 2000s).



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

Quoting kbpilot5 (Reply 6):
There are two Ex China Eastern MD90's still sitting on the ramp at Timco at GSO. They've been there for quite some time.

Timco seems to be making progress with them, but you're right, they've been sitting there for a while. There were three or four sitting outside the hangar on the north side recently. Yesterday at least one of the two didn't have any engines (the other had cowlings, but I couldn't see if there were engines on it on our takeoff roll). The only other plane I saw at that hangar was a Royal Air Maroc 757 tail sticking out the south side of the hangar, and that one's been there a few weeks, presumably for heavy maintenance checks.


User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

I recently flew on an MD 90, MSP - MKE. Thursday my MKE - ATL flight is MD 88 (or scheduled that way). I can remember both of those being DC9s and a 757 MSP - MKE.

Are the MD -90s going to functionally replace the DC-9-30/40s series?

Dave



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 13):
Also, the top of the vertical fin is dead straight on the 90, slightly curved on the 88.

MD-90 uses the same flat-topped tail as the MD-87 and B717.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 13):
Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 11):
Is there an easy way to visually discern a 90 from an 88? Is there a visual sloping of the 90 toward the front much like a crj900?

Bigger engines and 2 windows between emergency exits on the 90 instead of just one on the 88. Also, the top of the vertical fin is dead straight on the 90, slightly curved on the 88.

MD-90 is also just under 5 ft. longer than the MD-81/82/83/88. Forward fuselage was extended to offset the additional engine weight. Each IAE V2500 on the MD-90 weighs about 900 lbs. more than a PW JT8D-200 series engine on MD-80s.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

I saw both 917 and 919 at MSP the other day. When I saw 919 I wondered if it was the latest addition. Guess it is.

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 17):
Unless you are a passenger. Seats are way to thin and uncomfortable, the overhead bins will not allow a rollaboard to be slid straight in, it has to go in sideways, and the pitch is tight. I much prefer the old NW DC-9's. Lot more comfortable and easier to store your rollaboards.

I have to agree with you - if we're talking the original 16 planes that is. I haven't been on a new one. Hopefully it's a better experience. I've taken two trips with the old ones, and the MD-90 is my least favorite mainline DL plane. A DC-9 is much better.

Quoting davescj (Reply 22):
Are the MD -90s going to functionally replace the DC-9-30/40s series?

So far, no. The MD-90 appears to be flying a variety of routes, including many that a DC-9 can't even do, like MSP to the West Coast.


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7393 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 22):
Are the MD -90s going to functionally replace the DC-9-30/40s series?

Not exactly - the MD-90 will replace the MD-88 on some routes and MD-88s will work former DC-9 routes.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7256 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 23):
have to agree with you - if we're talking the original 16 planes that is. I haven't been on a new one. Hopefully it's a better experience. I've taken two trips with the old ones, and the MD-90 is my least favorite mainline DL plane. A DC-9 is much better.

I've never sat on the seats on DL's existing MD-90 fleet, however, the new seats are the Weber 5751, which I actually found quite comfortable when I flew one of DL's domestic 763s.



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 15):
Unless you are a passenger. Seats are way to thin and uncomfortable, the overhead bins will not allow a rollaboard to be slid straight in, it has to go in sideways, and the pitch is tight. I much prefer the old NW DC-9's. Lot more comfortable and easier to store your rollaboards.

These items are being addressed in the updated MD-90s (M9K). The new Weber 5751 seats are more comfortable than the existing seats and since they are slimline seats they help with the pitch. I have also heard that the overhead luggage bins are being extended, but haven't gotten anybody to confirm this.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 26):
I've never sat on the seats on DL's existing MD-90 fleet, however, the new seats are the Weber 5751, which I actually found quite comfortable when I flew one of DL's domestic 763s.
Quoting akelley728 (Reply 30):
These items are being addressed in the updated MD-90s (M9K). The new Weber 5751 seats are more comfortable than the existing seats and since they are slimline seats they help with the pitch. I have also heard that the overhead luggage bins are being extended, but haven't gotten anybody to confirm this.

This would be great. I am flying this airplane more and more and it really is a hassle. the lack of overhead bin space means more bags than ever are gate checked. Not a pretty sight. Even the FC seats don't feel as comfortable. Any plans to change those?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 30):
I have also heard that the overhead luggage bins are being extended, but haven't gotten anybody to confirm this.

I hope so. I know DL is replacing the bins entirely on the MD-88 fleet; I wonder if the MD-90 will get the same mods.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 24):
Quoting davescj (Reply 22):
Are the MD -90s going to functionally replace the DC-9-30/40s series?

Not exactly - the MD-90 will replace the MD-88 on some routes and MD-88s will work former DC-9 routes.

The additional MD-90s, and increased seating through the conversion to M9K and M8R offset the capacity lost by the DC-9-30/40 retirements. There is not truly a 1 for 1 replacement, by they are replacing the capacity, just through different acquistion of airframes and increasing capacity on existing fleet types.

The routes that the DC-9-30/40s are used on have been, or will be replaced by a variety of aircraft including 76-seaters, DC-9-50's, A319s, and MD-88s.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
The MD-88 fleet will be upgraded with new seats and overhead bins and will have capacity increased to 149. Not sure about the DC-9-50 fleet (NW installed interiors similar to the 717 on them in the late 1990s/early 2000s).

The DC-9-50 is here for a few more years. Expect them to be around for another 3-5 years. They'll be amongst to first to go whenever truly begins its narrowbody replacement. However, the -50's can act as variable capacity and be temporarily (or permenantly parked) depending on the state of the industry and economy. The -50s interiors were all completely replaced in the late '90s, and now they have been repainted, got DL leather seat covers, and have wifi installed.


25 PGNCS : They have EFIS; I consider them "glass," and the carrier I flew the MD-90 for did too. They are certainly no less "glass" than a 757 or 767. Just bec
26 nwafflyer : What is the performance difference between the MD88 and the MD90? Distance, speed, things like that
27 Post contains links MNMncrcnwjr : Here are a couple of a.net links with fairly upto date info and specs.. DC-9 40/50 http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=277 MD 81/82/
28 Antoniemey : It might have something to do with the aft galleys... Since the aft door is on the left, if you want the galley there it has to either be relatively
29 MNMncrcnwjr : IIRC the RC super 80's had the aft door on the left in front of the port engine and their 2-3 seating was the same as their other DC9 fleet ....also
30 timf : I had come to this conclusion in another thread several months ago, but the response I got at the time was there is no plan to reverse the configurat
31 Antoniemey : And how big or small are the galleys in those aircraft? I don't know if it is related to the galley or if for some other reason DL decided they wante
32 1337Delta764 : The new MD-88 configuration has already been loaded into the schedules. The layout has not been reversed. However, the rows more perfectly line up no
33 MNMncrcnwjr : Do not really care if they reverse it IMHO it would be $$ not spent well at this point ..... Just was wondering the rationale of WHY the DL MD88 was
34 TSS : So... other than the Saudi birds, how many MD-90s are still around that could potentially be added to DL's fleet?
35 DALMD88 : JAL has sixteen that are leaving the fleet soon. The DL BOD has authorized up to 60 MD90s for the total fleet so there must be about 40 more out ther
36 MadDogJT8D : Took off from ATL this morning and saw N926DH at the TOC missing it's horizontal stabilizer. Anyone know what's going on with this ship?
37 alitalia744 : Of which the majority most likely are already sourced.
38 DALMD88 : I think the stab bearings were changed. It has been wrapped up on the ramp for about a week. Before that I saw it in the hanger and it looked like it
39 TrijetsRMissed : What other airlines currently flying the MD-90. will have their jets likely enter DL's fleet?
40 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Is it plausible that the DL BOD will expand the "up to 60" approval to "as many as you can find?" A possibility if the 45+ planned -90s are acquired q
41 DAL767400ER : The possibility exists, though there really aren't many more attractive MD-90s left. So far, DL's MD-90 fleet looks to be: 16 DL 9 ex-Hello and Blue1
42 timf : There are actually 11 of these, which would bring the total up to 63. 3 ex-Hello currently with DL 3 currently with Hello 5 currently with Blue1
43 1337Delta764 : Also, I don't see DL acquiring the two MD-90s that were built in China.
44 Post contains images cf6ppe : According to the Bill Harms database there were 117 each MD90 frames assembled. The Saudi Arabian Airlines count for 29 frames. Two frames have been s
45 rwy04lga : All that is understood. Judging length can be misleading, especially if viewed from an angle. To me, the two windows and rhe flattop remain the easie
46 TrijetsRMissed : Have all of these been confirmed, or is this just the most likely scenario?
47 akelley728 : I keep hearing this, but haven't heard a plausible explanation as to why DL wouldn't want them? If AA/TW could operate Chinese built MD-80s, then I d
48 timf : Nothing is confirmed beyond the 28 that are currently registered to DL, besides the fact that they registration numbers reserved for a total of 60 ai
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : I understand that. I was saying that I 'thought' the MD90 was intended to by standard glass (not what we see currently on DL birds) but due to common
50 papatango : Any time frame on when the JAL and China Southern Md-90's will be purchased?
51 dtw9 : Delta's BOD approved a fleet of up to 65. So doing the math we have; Current fleet -16 JAL-16 China Southern-13 China Eastern-9 SAS-8 Hello-3 Total-65
52 akelley728 : Does this include/exclude the 2 Chinese built birds?
53 timf : They are included. China Southern has 2 Chinese-built and 11 American-built MD-90s. The China Eastern MD-90s are all American-built.
54 DLMD90 : Exactly how many New/pre-owned MD90s do they have in their hands now? and how many are actually in service. Don't give tail #s, just give raw numbers.
55 seabosdca : 28 MD-90s in Delta's possession, 19 in service (the original 16 DL birds and the three ex-Hello! birds), 9 undergoing conversion (the nine ex-China Ea
56 DLMD90 : thanks!!!! Seems like they are getting them converted slowly. Anyone know how many MD88s have the mods and are out and about?
57 TrijetsRMissed : Furthermore, how long does a full conversion to EIS take? At this rate, DL may need to space out the acquisition of the remaining 30+ plus aircraft o
58 milesrich : [quote=FlyASAGuy2005,reply=49]Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 27): Most MD90s have analog cockpits similar to the MD-88. They have four CRT EFIS screens, but
59 TSS : I think you're correct, but I've also read that McDonnell-Douglas built some later MD-83's with MD-88-style glass cockpits upon the request of custom
60 TrijetsRMissed : From 1991, all MD-80 series were built with EFIS glass cockpits, screwdriver tail-cones, and additional composites panels. At the request of the cust
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