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Air-India JFK-LHR-BOM/DEL Flights?  
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

When did Air-India discontinue their New York-India flights via LHR?

Did Air-India have unconditional Fifth Freedom rights between JFK and LHR? Did they also have traffic rights between JFK and other cities served enroute to India from LHR?

What was the approximate percentage of JFK-originating pax who typically continued on to BOM/DEL compared to those whose final destination was LHR/Europe/CAI?

Since some Air-India flights from JFK also continued from India to Southeast Asia, was the flight used by some as an eastbound alternative to points such as BKK and HKG from the U.S.?

When Air-India started service from ORD and YYZ to India, where were the intermediate stops? Did they also have Fifth Freedom rights between ORD and YYZ and cities served enroute to India?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
When did Air-India discontinue their New York-India flights via LHR?

For info, Air India dropped the hyphen in their name a few years ago. It's Air India now, not Air-India.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8092 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Started in the 50s with Connies, 707s then 747s. Full fifth freedom and don't forget LHR-ORD (x4 weekly) - also discontinued (afaik). In the old days they also had trans-Atlantic to Geneva and others. (And India-Sydney-Fiji by 707!)

In the 70s and 80s Air-India also served India-LHR-YUL-YYZ-LHR-India with traffic rights to both Canadian cities (eg YUL-YYZ-LHR); no rights just between YUL-YYZ of course. That ended after Sikh separatists blew up a 747 over the Atlantic but YYZ-LHR has come back this century, aimed at linking the two biggest Sikh cities in the world, Amritsar and Toronto via the third biggest, BHX. Couple of years ago the BHX stop was moved to LHR. Aircraft used is 777-200ER and still runs. Hard to find on Expedia et al, but worth searching for cos it's cheap and exotic, swirly interiors decor, gracious service with a smile and a sari, and a sensational curry.

Btw LHR-JFK fares were amazing at times, I did it in Mar 2000 for £129 rtn inc tax. Thank you Air-India



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 3):
In the old days they also had trans-Atlantic to Geneva

AI served GVA for many years but I can't recall GVA ever being included as a stop on their transatlantic flights.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
AI served GVA for many years but I can't recall GVA ever being included as a stop on their transatlantic flights.

In AI's March 1963 timetable they had twice weekly service from New York to India that included Geneva as an intermediate stop. One was routed IDL(became JFK)-LHR-ORY-GVA-CAI-DEL-BOM; the other went IDL-LHR-ORY-GVA-CAI-BOM-CCU-BKK-HKG-HND


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4990 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

My sister and her husband took an interline trip on Air India back in the late 70's when Air India had that JFK midnight departure to LHR. It was a 3 night stay in a great London hotel on top of the non-rev air trip for just a few hundred bucks. She thought the interior of the 747 looked like the exterior of a package of incense. The wall panels even were covered with Indian artwork.


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

I have met people that have flown JFK-LHR. So is there still JFK-LHR with local traffic? The thread is not clear on this point.

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6350 times:
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They dropped the LHR-America links a couple of years ago to focus alll the 5th freedom at FRA I believe.

User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

FRA will be dropped as a hub in the winter schedule. Flights will operate non stop on:-

DEL-JFK
DEL-ORD
DEL-YYZ

After the opening of the T3 at DEL, FRA hub is not required. There will be flights to DEL from all the major cities to connect to these non-stops to North America.

DEL-LHR, DEL-FRA and DEL-CDG will continue. EWR will be non stop from BOM.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26938 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
She thought the interior of the 747 looked like the exterior of a package of incense. The wall panels even were covered with Indian artwork.

LOL... I flew AI a few times from LHR-JFK and I loved their interior. The Upper Deck in J was really nice with lovely Indian food. The lounge at LHR was pretty decent also. After the flight you thought you should be landing in DEL rather than JFK


User currently onlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
Started in the 50s with Connies, 707s then 747s. Full fifth freedom and don't forget LHR-ORD (x4 weekly) - also discontinued (afaik). In the old days they also had trans-Atlantic to Geneva and others. (And India-Sydney-Fiji by 707!)

AI never flew LHR-JFK with the Connie. They started transatlantic services only after they bought the 707s. Even then, I doubt they ever flew transatlantic from GVA.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 10):
Even then, I doubt they ever flew transatlantic from GVA.

According to their March 1963 timetable, they did:

AI110 Boeing R R 707 Fri: New York-London-Paris-Geneva-Cairo-Delhi-Bombay

AI116 Boeing R R 707 Sun: New York-London-Paris-Geneva-Cairo-Bombay-Calcutta-Bangkok-Hong Kong-Tokyo

Transatlantic from Geneva it was once weekly:

AI115 Boeing R R 707 Sat: Bombay-Beirut-Geneva-Paris-London-New York

Only segments indicating "no local traffic allowed" on these flights were Delhi-Bombay and Bombay-Calcutta...which would mean it was possible at the time to fly Air-India New York-Geneva in both directions on a same-plane, same-flight basis with 2 intermediate stops.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 10):
They started transatlantic services only after they bought the 707s.

  May 14, 1960 to be exact...with 707-437s...to New York as an extension of their Bombay-London 707 service started April 19, 1960.


User currently offlineb707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Back in the 70s when I was non-revving if I couldn't get on PA I'd run over and take AI for JFK-LHR-JFK service. Yes, the cabins were walled, each cabin, in different Indian art with multiple colors. There was quite a lot of JFK-LHR-JFK O/D traffic on these flights.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 11):
Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 10):
Even then, I doubt they ever flew transatlantic from GVA.

According to their March 1963 timetable, they did:

Earlier posters were probably referring to GVA-JFK nonstop. A 2-stop service wouldn't have been very competitive.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Yes, full traffic rights JFK-LHR. The 747 was a daily flight that was either routed:
JFK-LHR-BOM
JFK-LHR-DEL-BOM
The DEL stop was 3 or 4x/week.

Yes- the side panels were amazing. Think light or deep purple, pink, red, or blue all with Indian motifs. The latter 747-200's had the slightly more subtler tones. I also recall a slightly different landing procedure on all my AI flights- the air spoilers were deployed high up and you heard this loud noise throughout the cabin.


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