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Irish 22/10: The Vultures Are Circling.  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12595 posts, RR: 34
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17710 times:

Oh I do like to start a new thread on a cheerful note. It's rather hard to find much to be cheerful about in Irish aviation, although we did see a few nuggets of cheerful news ... US Airways' new CLT-DUB-CLT service is welcome, as is the fact that the DAA has not given up on the possibility of Air India using DUB as a hub. Very welcome too is the news that the US still intends to continue using SNN as a stopover for troops.

We still await more news on what is going to happen with RE and whether any of the fourteen expressions of interest will bear fruit. If not, what's the next stage and how quickly can EI react to build up its own regional fleet.

FR is now hoping to shift some of its operations to major airports; that comes of course with the usual FR hyperbole (only the North Koreans do it better) about killing off rivals. The fact is that FR faces an uncertain future; they have conceded that their model will need to change and this move to bigger airports is only part of that; however, that seems to suggest that they will no longer be in a position to dictate terms as they have been with smaller airports.

As for EI, as mentioned in the last thread, the importance of opening a working hub at DUB is all the more pressing, because most of the growth in traffic will need to come from abroad; the pain which the Irish economy is going to feel for the next few years is such that the economy will not be able to produce much growth - and I don't think the US economy is looking that much better; I really don't see much potential for adding new destinations. I also think that the prognosis for the years ahead means that EI is going to need to review its long haul fleet proposals; the A350 order was made in a time when things were a lot better and the predictions underlying that order must now be very suspect at the least.

So, let's see what 22/10 is going to bring us ...

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User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 17649 times:

Check this photo out: http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image1708.html

I noticed the writing underneath says: "Due to fuel costs/shortages in the early eighties, Aer Lingus used Prestwick as a fueling stop, on transatlantic flights, going east , prior to a western crossing."

Really? They flew from DUB to Glasgow for fuel? Can anyone confirm or explain?


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17605 times:

Mornig all!

I have to say I'm not terribly worried about FR flying into major airports. They have been doing it for a while, particularly where there are new airports/terminals, BCN, MAD, etc. I would look to places like the new BER airport where FR can build an effecient operation. FR have been slowly building up LGW too, cleverly arriving as most aircraft have left for the first flight of the day. U2 have gained decent traction in the business market, and heavily promote their business friendly features, so FR are a bit late to the party. They might be a le to capatslise on the operational difficulties at U2 at the minute, but they would need o be quick. FR are going into LGW MAD BCN because of yield, they will not rock the boat too much, I feel. The other point is FR will not be able to negotiate the sorts of deals small regional airports were willing to give, so the cost base will take a hit, which will have to be compensated with higher fares. Finally to keep growing FR need to negotiate a deal for a new fleet byond 2015. Airbus are simply not playing ball and Boeing have no need to be "raped" again. Bombardier might be willing to play ball, but is the c-series cost basis acceptable to FR?
In addition EI have done relatively well against FR, MAN-DUB comes to mind EI still fly 4 daily 320s while FR have dropped to 2 daly flights, I think. It's far from certain that FR can capture and cater for higher yield traffic.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17531 times:

Thanks Kaitak for a nice intro  
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 2):
I have to say I'm not terribly worried about FR flying into major airports

Me either there are still people who want non LCC models. More and more people I speak to are willing to pay the extra €20 to go EI/LX/BA/WX etc... Most recently a group of young lads at work just going to London for the weekend said they couldnt be bothered with online check in and running for seats so they paid the extra for EI. Nothing wrong with FR I have used them many a time myself ( although not for a long time ) there is a market for everything. I dont think they will clean up at major hubs/European main airports though.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
"Due to fuel costs/shortages in the early eighties, Aer Lingus used Prestwick as a fueling stop, on transatlantic flights, going east , prior to a western crossing."

Sounds like it could be true. In the 80's wasnt Ireland taxed to the gills and in desperate economic times?


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12595 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17329 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Sounds like it could be true

I have my doubts; the airline only started flying nonstop from DUB in 1994 and if they flew to the US via anywhere else but SNN, the local TDs and lobbyists would have gone nuts. My guess is that this is a rugby charter, possibly around the time of a Scotland Ireland international.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
In the 80's wasnt Ireland taxed to the gills and in desperate economic times?

Yes indeed; thank goodness we've left that far behind us.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17233 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Sounds like it could be true. In the 80's wasnt Ireland taxed to the gills and in desperate economic times?

In Ireland, as in every other country, there is no tax on Fuel for international flights, and Ireland has always been quite competitive on base costs for aviation fuel anyway.

SNN in particular has always been very good value.

All US bound flights had to stop at SNN back then anyway - they were hardly going to route DUB-SNN-PIK-JFK!!

I think whoever posted this is quite misinformed - EI did however make much use of PIK for training purposes.



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1490 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17235 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
"Due to fuel costs/shortages in the early eighties, Aer Lingus used Prestwick as a fueling stop, on transatlantic flights, going east , prior to a western crossing."

Complete rubbish as to fuel costs or fuel shortages causing regular use of PIK by EI.

It might just have been possible that, as a consequence of a strike by tanker drivers, which I vaguely recall, a very few flights might have routed via PIK to avoid running down stocks at Dublin, but then why would they not have used BFS?Jetfuel is untaxed anyhow.


User currently offlinePenPusher From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17199 times:

Due to a fuellers strike back in March 1981, I flew DUB-SNN-BFS-JFK. The fuel stop in BFS took about one and a half hours and we had to stay on the aircraft (EI-BED). Maybe PIK was used as well for other flights, but I can't remember!!

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17032 times:

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 7):
Due to a fuellers strike back in March 1981, I flew DUB-SNN-BFS-JFK. The fuel stop in BFS took about one and a half hours and we had to stay on the aircraft (EI-BED). Maybe PIK was used as well for other flights, but I can't remember!!

Holy Shit! That must have been some flight.....

So it seems we have found the real explanation then... strike action... there was a lot of that going round back in the 80's....



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17003 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 2):
Mornig all!

I have to say I'm not terribly worried about FR flying into major airports. They have been doing it for a while, particularly where there are new airports/terminals, BCN, MAD, etc. I would look to places like the new BER airport where FR can build an effecient operation. FR have been slowly building up LGW too, cleverly arriving as most aircraft have left for the first flight of the day

I doubt it will be all that big of a change for FR itself, but its impact might be felt quite sharply at competing carriers.

For FR, all it really has to do is just be nice to people, start assigning seats, offer some degree of ticket flexibility on certain fares, and its pretty much there. As said, they do fly to the main airport of the city concerned in many cases - Dublin, Cork, Madrid, Barcelona, Bologna, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh etc etc etc... It isnt really new territory for FR at all.

It can also retain its operations to the secondary airports while it is doing all of this - they dont have to be abandoned, its cost base can continue to be lower on such routes and it can continue being a price leader to these destinations, particularly if it doesnt opt to serve the main airport of a certain area. In that instance, it would be likely to consolidate certain services at the main airport so it doesnt sabotage its own yields.

Look at Southwest - it has very succesfully combined both. It doesnt mean FR's model is broken, it simply means it is being adapted and that Ryanair is growing up!



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1490 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15275 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 9):
For FR, all it really has to do is just be nice to people

Indeed FR, with civility, would be a mighty powerful competitor once the reputation started to spread. So many swear never again, if any alternative available, and so many are told stories about FR that there is a big market segment out there avoiding FR. Of course, a little more long term commitment to airports might help them also, the customers cant always be certain that route service is maintained.

As you say Southwest can do it.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15218 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 10):
Of course, a little more long term commitment to airports might help them also, the customers cant always be certain that route service is maintained.

Indeed. If I were flying from SNN, I definitely would not be booking FR anymore, and indeed I would even think twice from Dublin to certain destinations what with the cuts they have done here.

FR do have some of the basic elements of a nice, "carey sharey" airline there. They are very punctual, reliable, use brand new aircraft with a reasoably attractive livery and have all leather seating. Their brand is visually somewhat all over the place but that's easily fixed.

It wouldnt take much, and indeed MOL would surely know how to spin the new warm and fuzzy Ryanair to maximum effect!  



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User currently offlineauntie From Ireland, joined Jan 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15133 times:

Anyone know what the story is with security in DUB sending everyone down to the far end (the end towards the 'D' gates) when there is a fairly short queue at the (formerly C gates) other end. It has happened to me 3 times now - all around 05:30am ish , "Sorry this one is closed" and sent down to join a giant queue at the other end. Is this cos they have a load of transfer pax - that we can't see - coming through then? Do they go thru security there??

Chances are, I will be less peeved the next time if I know the reason 


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15064 times:

I posted a version of this yesterday, and it was deleted due to being not on topic, so I'm having another crack.

We all need perspective - When the nation is preaching the end is near for ireland, we are in big trouble as a nation. Many of us here graduated from college when the Irish Economy was in a considerably worse position than it is today, when the only bit of infrastructure in ireland was one overhead signpost on a road near lucan. Less than ten years ago, the only EI service to Spain was a weekly Madrid Bae146, that only operated for eight weeks in the summer. We have new terminals in Dublin, Cork and Shannon. The country has come so far in ten years, but fallen back in the last three. Lets stop focusing on the last three, and look at where we are now, compared to ten years ago. Ten years is such a short timeframe.

The news and stock exchange cycle today means that everything is a disaster at 9am, but ok by 11am! I for one, do not watch RTE news and current affairs anymore - nor buy an Irish newspaper. An example of the negative outlook of the Irish Media - last week - the 9am newstalk news programme was stating that the irish goverment was failing to sell its bonds on the market - by the 11am news programme, they were saying it was oversubscribed! I wonder sometimes if there is an agenda within the news media.

It will only be when we, the population, decide to stop being so negative, and when the media stop being so doom and gloom about everything we can turn the corner. If we don't 90% of the over 30 population will be on prozac within 12 months.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15020 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 13):
It will only be when we, the population, decide to stop being so negative, and when the media stop being so doom and gloom about everything we can turn the corner.

I would just like to count this sentiment with a belief of my own. In the celtic tiger era Ireland built an economy around construction. There is little indigenous industry left, nothing to speak of manufacture and the highly touted "service" industry can move to cheaper nations at the drop of a hat. Look no further than aviation, P2P traffic out of ireland was easy pickings and FR exploited that. EI in a desperate bid to transform and "grow" did the same. No focus was put on bringing tourists in, schedules accommodated the holidaymaker and fleet utilisation rather than accommodating business travelers and enhancing connectivity. Growth across the economy was wholly unsustainable, built on a single dimension, construction and consumerism. Those days are gone and are unlikely to return. There is a vacuum now, what will replace construction? We need to be more than a consumist economy, yet there is little to replace it. That is why the future looks so bleak, nothing to do with the Euro, negative press or a dour national mood. Ironically, we built the wrong type of economy.

Brian.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12595 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15005 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 13):
We all need perspective - When the nation is preaching the end is near for ireland, we are in big trouble as a nation. Many of us here graduated from college when the Irish Economy was in a considerably worse position than it is today, when the only bit of infrastructure in ireland was one overhead signpost on a road near lucan. Less than ten years ago, the only EI service to Spain was a weekly Madrid Bae146, that only operated for eight weeks in the summer. We have new terminals in Dublin, Cork and Shannon. The country has come so far in ten years, but fallen back in the last three. Lets stop focusing on the last three, and look at where we are now, compared to ten years ago. Ten years is such a short timeframe.

I agree with a lot of what you say, Bestwestern; I am now 41 (eek!) and can well recall the Ireland of the 1980s and early to mid 1990s, when the unemployment rate was in the high teens; then, we were recovering from the "giveaway budget" of 1977 and my big concern is that this was chicken-feed compared to what we now face. That said, I am not one who believes that we should all turn off the lights and get out. I believe strongly that if we learn lessons, we can rebuild, but based on a solid foundation, not growth based on debt, which has been the case. The problem is that there really is no leadership in this country, nor any effort to change the way we "do government", so to speak. In a situation like this, we should be looking at the most effective catalysts for growth and to relate this to our subject matter, that should include aviation; we should be identifying what parts of our aviation infrastructure currently obstruct growth and tackle these. Am I wrong here? I don't think so ... but what have we seen in the two years since this economic crisis has been bubbling? What leadership, what vision? Zip, nada, faic. When you look at things in that context, it is not altogether surprising that people want to get out; among the biggest obstacles to recovery is the dearth of leadership and talent at senior levels of govt.

The problem is only exacerbated by the fact that there is not much vision among other parties; they all carp, but it's hard to believe that we'd be in any better a situation if any of the others were in power. When, in ten or twenty years, the story of our recovery is written, better governance and a more focused, "BS-free" and forceful approach to govt is going to be part of it. Seeing what needs to be done, making sure that all involved know what is required - semi-states (if we still have semi states then, which I doubt) and civil servants, all rowing together. We can do this, but it's going to need a huge attitude chage. And nowhere is there a greater need than the Dept of Transport; the very fact that we are in a crisis of unprecedented proportions and the Minister for Transport - charged with leadership of one of the most important engines of economic recovery - can still be in place, despite showing zero vision or interest - is just a testament to why there is so little confidence in the current leadership we have.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14959 times:
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In terms of how aviaiton can help the economy:
Obviously the new jewel is T2 at DUB. If the DAA cab get a few airlines to use it as a transit/immigration stop onwards to the US that will bring some cash into the system. And for any airline wanting to use the INS/CBP facilites but not pick up passengers) why not incentivise them to use SNN and its uncongested US facility?

Another idea is one that I believe is advertised by IcelandAir in the USA. They offer flights to Europe via Reykjavik. You can change your booking to get a 1-2 stopover FOR NO EXTRA CHARGE. Now imagine if EI were incentivised by the Irish Govt to offer the same deal at DUB. The local economy could experience an increase in short term tourism.

Neither of these ideas will get us out of the huge economic hole we are in but many small ideas like this may arrest the slide we have experienced recently.



Having read the 'winning' ideas for Your Country Your Call I think they are vague and aspirational in a country that those not yet have 100% broadband coverage. There goes another million Euro on commitees to investigate these 2 ideas. Fair play to the 2 winners but the ideas do not seem concrete enough to generate the estimated 9000 jobs and international interest. (Each idea is allocated E500K in 'development' grants)

Ironicly enough the relevant website has no proper info about the winning ideas so heres a VERY brief synopsis about them:
-"Neil Leyden's proposal to create a global media hub will see Ireland adopting the necessary legislation to become a leading centre for the creation and distribution of digital content."
-"The 'Data Island Strategy' aims to build a world-beating digital services system and to position Ireland at the forefront of its associated spin-off industries. Proposer Ciaran Clancy works for a consulting firm and has been involved in the information technology and communications sector from an early age"

Also be aware of the Icelandic attempt in 2008 to become a World DataCentre!


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14886 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
I agree with a lot of what you say, Bestwestern; I am now 41 (eek!) and can well recall the Ireland of the 1980s and early to mid 1990s, when the unemployment rate was in the high teens;

It was 23% at one point Kaitak.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
I believe strongly that if we learn lessons, we can rebuild, but based on a solid foundation, not growth based on debt, which has been the case.

The boom did not start on the foundations of construction or consumerism - it was in the beginning a genuine boom based on exports - it was later on that it became distorted. You are forgetting the good solid foundations and just focusing on the bad parts, in common with practically everyone else in this country.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
The problem is that there really is no leadership in this country, nor any effort to change the way we "do government", so to speak.

Believe it or not, citizens in nearly every country say the exact same thing. I have lived in far more beauracratic, "big government" countries than this, yet these countries' citizens dont think the end of the world is nigh. People the world over bitch about their government, about governmental inefficiency etc etc. Everyone thinks their system is broken.

Being Irish of course, we add it on top of all our other problems. Then we go off and write painfully melancholic songs, emmigrate and / or get drunk.... you get the picture. The national trait is when things are bad, focus on them and multiply it by 100.....

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 14):
Growth across the economy was wholly unsustainable, built on a single dimension, construction and consumerism.

As I said above, no it wasnt - at least not in the early, or genuine part of the boom. It was a solid boom - that got distorted (again, nothing out of the ordinary there - it happened in many booming economies)

No doubt, we are in serious times. But, we have transformed many aspects of our infrastructure. Our income per head is still the second highest in the EU. This is a better, more modern and open society than it ever was in the 80's, and one I am very proud to live in - doesnt it need to change? Sure - but it will, as it has done so many times in the past when it has been called upon to do so.

If everyone wants to "lose hope" or dwell in "despair" at the "crisis" go right ahead. Im not going to join you though. There is far too much hope for the future to indulge in that sort of nonsense.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 16):
Having read the 'winning' ideas for Your Country Your Call I think they are vague and aspirational in a country that those not yet have 100% broadband coverage. There goes another million Euro on commitees to investigate these 2 ideas. Fair play to the 2 winners but the ideas do not seem concrete enough to generate the estimated 9000 jobs and international interest. (Each idea is allocated E500K in 'development' grants)

Your Country Your call was a genuine attempt to get people off the negativity drug, and thinking about positive ways to enhance this country - in that sense it was a worthwhile exercise. We cant on one hand attack lack of vision and then go criticising those who try to actually generate some of it.

On the subject of where is the vision, leadership etc, show me one country grappling with a budget deficiet and recession that does have one? Regardless of what we Irish think, we arent so bloody different to any other country in that regard. Was there any wonderful Vision shown in the United States or the United Kingdom? No. It was batten down the hatches and ride it through, and we'll come out in one piece at the other end.

That's the global economic cycle folks - every country goes through it. Nothing special about us!

[Edited 2010-09-26 08:32:51]


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User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14813 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 13):
Many of us here graduated from college when the Irish Economy was in a considerably worse position than it is today, when the only bit of infrastructure in ireland was one overhead signpost on a road near lucan.

If i can offer my own perspective on this whole thing...

I finished college in May, got a 1:1 Degree and immediately started job hunting. Very quickly, I realised that there was nothing out there for me. I applied for unpaid internships and volunteer positions, but even then was up against people who had years of experience! There were no entry-level positions. Out of the 40 people who completed my degree, just 7 of us have paid jobs right now, two of them being in the fast food sector. Go figure.

I myself came across the opportunity to work for Nintendo for 6 months in Frankfurt writing for them. It's a 6 month contract, but hopefully more comes out of it. I was very sad to have to leave my family and friends behind. I still am!

I would have gladly stayed even if I could get an unpaid position, but alas there was nothing. The hopelessness of it all drove me away in the end. Signing on for the dole despite having worked my ass off to get a good degree and making myself available for nothing would have been too much. I honestly fear for Ireland's future. I know many people my age who are planning on moving away in the next 6 months. I don't care if I don't make much money, I just want an opportunity to show what I've got and gain experience. When our economy can't even offer that, you know we are in trouble.

From an aviation point of view, the new wave of emigrants is good for us I guess. Maybe my generations will be the ones being targeted by the "Aer Lingus - You're Home" adverts in years to come. At least they will have a new batch of ex-pats to fly home a couple of times a year.


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14788 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 13):

Bestwestern, I haven't been posting in a long time (yet following the threads) for a number of personal reasons, but can I say I could not agree more with your post. The doom and gloom in the Irish media is sickening with a capital "S". I'm still a bit younger than Kaitak (sorry Kaitak   ) and only at sweet 35, yet older than quite a few of our contributors.

Talking about age, since I returned to Ireland in March, I seem to be around a very young bunch of people much of the time (the cafe I go to every day for my "latte" or "expresso" - something impossible to get before I left Ireland in 1993 btw) and friends of my nephews and niece, all in the early to mid 20's. Now I've noticed two things amongst this age group here, there is definitely a core group who think Ireland is a great country, say they would hate to live anywhere else, and are confident things will improve... then there is a significant group I overhear saying everything is awful here, we're poor, and the only solution is to leave the country! I often feel like saying to them, if you think this is bad, you should have seen the place 10 to 20 years ago! Ireland, even today in this current GLOBAL recession, is at a stage of economic development and quality of living the Irish could only dream of 15/20 years ago and had anyone suggested we'd have these levels in Ireland in 20 years (today) they would have told you to stop dreaming.

I am sick of RTE and the Irish media in general. Their doom and gloom is pure scaremongering. Perhaps they do have a hidden agenda as you or Kaitak suggested, but that hidden agenda, whatever it is, will just continue to hamper the country's growth. All economies are cyclical, good times come to be replaced by bad times, before another good time follows. Now is the time for people to get themselves set up and prepared for the next good cycle, which will come, and I firmly believe sooner than we believe. We need a bit of entrepreneurship now, get ready now and reap the €'s in a few years.

I am also fed up of the fact that here in Ireland we seem to think that we're the only country in recession. This is a global recession of massive magnitudes, which started in the US and spread like wild fire around the globe. We have really got to realise we're not alone in this recession, and I think we should all be thankful that we entered this recession in the economic position we were in the past few years than had we entered in Ireland's economic position of only 20 years ago. I really hope our younger members will take this on-board.

On a personal level, I spent 10 years living in Madrid and then Toulouse from 2002 to 2010, and I can tell you that the general standard of living here in Ireland today is FAR SUPERIOR to anything I experienced in either France or Spain, even before today’s global recession.
Two little anecdotes for you. I have a very good Irish friend who has lived in Toulouse for 35 years, she's a professional working in the medical field. She was over visiting Dublin a couple of weeks ago and we were talking about this very subject, and she said "I think all the Irish should be sent over to France for a year to see what things are like when they're really tough and maybe they'll stop complaining so much". She says she gets by on just a little over €1000 per month, which believe it or not ain’t that bad a salary there! I also have a lovely French couple here in Dublin who have just moved to Ireland (decided after living in 5 countries) to give Ireland a shot as they believed it's a better place to be than the other countries they've lived in (France, obviously, the UK, Portugal, Mexico and the US). And they say that after only 4 months here, they've confirmed that they were right, that things are better here. And personally, having lived in two other countries, and being involved in an industry in which I get access on a near daily basis to a lot of highly confidential material (political, economic, etc) that often never reaches the public domain, I concur with these people, life is better here than away, France and Spain at least from personal experience.

We had to do a report here in my business during the summer over the advantages of having a business set up in Ireland rather than abroad, and here are some interesting statistics we came across:

- From a business perspective solely, the obvious very low corporate taxation of only 12.50%. This was actually a policy introduced by "our" politicians, and whoever thinks this is not mainly responsible for our country's boom times and puts it down to EU funding or something else is dreaming. In the EU, some examples of corporate tax: Spain 30%, France 33.33%, Switzerland 25%, Germany 15.825% (federal)+14.35 - 17.05% (local), UK 21-28%, Italy 31.4%... now tell me which is more attractive for foreign businesses relocating, bringing wealth and employment to a country, Ireland’s 12.50% or the other above examples? A no-brainer really.
- Maximum personal income tax: Of the above-mentioned countries, Ireland's rate is the lowest (joint with France) by between 5 and 15% less!
- Social security tax contributions: Again, from a business perspective we compared France and Ireland. Here's the blunt reality. For an Irish-based company to pay a salary of €45.500 annually, it will cost the company around €47.000. For a French based company to pay the same salary, it will cost the company "exactly" €87.380!! Just in social tax contributions, a French company has to pay more than double the salary!

The following statistics were also of interest, however they are all 2009 figures (but take into account that this year has been showing the first signs of recovery):

- Competitiveness ratings: Ireland ranked 19th best in the world. The only European countries to beat Ireland, in order of best to worst: Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg, Holland, Denmark, Austria, German and Finland. Europe's other major economies such as the UK, France, Spain and Italy were all well behind Ireland.

- GDP per capita (PPP): Ireland ranked 18th highest in the world and only beaten in Europe by: Liechtenstein (1st), Luxembourg (2nd), Norway (5th), Andorra (12th) and Switzerland (17th). Look how far behind us other major European economies are: UK (35th), Germany (37th), Spain (38th) and France (41st). EU average (42nd globally).

These things need to be kept in mind.

If I could give advice to the Irish people, it would be:

* Stop buying, reading, listening to the Irish press.
* Don't be "too" scared. Being scared will not help us economically.
* Remember we're Irish people, a race of hard-workers, a race of proud and fighting people. Fight for our future with optimism rather than the current underlying pessimism.

You know, sometimes I hate saying all the above as I know a lot of people have lost their jobs and ARE suffering. But you know, while we complain about our 13% unemployment rate as if it was apocalyptic and the worst in the world, it's not, it's much worse than the IRISH LEVELS of just 5 years ago, and of course it’s a bad level, but today Spain has broken the 20% rate, and most other European nations have been hovering around the double-figure levels for years.

The Celtic Tiger was great, but it was a boom, and was in my opinion unsustainable. It made the Irish "people" nearly the wealthiest in the world, and the purchase power of the Irish was at a ridiculously high level. We needed to fall to more normal levels, and the amazing thing is that our purchasing power is still, even today, superior to most nations.

The banks have undoubtedly been irresponsible, verging on criminal in my opinion, so I do agree with all the bad feelings towards them. Property prices became ridiculously high, and STILL are today.

Aviation-wise, for those spotters of my own age who remember going out to DUB as children, did any of you ever imagine our airports would reach the levels they are at today? Of course not! You remember those days when DUB was quiet, Pier B was the hub of all departing activity, and usually very quiet at that. Who could ever have imagined we'd have airlines from such far-afield places such as Ethiad here? Even many of the European airlines we see? I remember going out to the old runway on the road just beside the golf course, and often waiting 15 minutes between planes. As Bestwestern said, only 10 years ago, the only direct flight with EI to Spain was a weekly service from DUB to MAD on Wednesdays operated by a 737-500 or BAE146 for about 2 months of the summer. Today, Aer Lingus has a major operation to Spain serving many airports, often on a twice daily basis, evens ending a 330 to Malaga every morning! This was unimaginable 15 years ago. And talking of Spain, when I holidayed there as a kid, usually having to transfer at LHR (come on, 20 years ago to fly to just about anywhere minus a handful of the major European capitals, we had to transfer at LHR), but there was a scheduled direct service to Spain which we all thought was great: IB flew every Saturday to AGP and every Sunday to MAD. Can you imagine only having 2 direct scheduled services between the whole island of Ireland and Spain today??? Well that’s how it was only 20 years ago!

I've made a few observations since I came back to Ireland:

- I have more money in my pocket at the end of each month than I ever had in France or Spain.
- I see people, despite their recession talk, talking about their weekend in Malaga or somewhere else all the time (in France people spoke to me about their "annual" holiday, and not their weekend escapades abroad). Sure I flew to Malaga last week with EI, going down on Saturday evening on I'd say a 95% full A-321, and returned on Wednesday night on a FULL A-320 and there were even about 5 people at check-in on standby for the flight being told they probably wouldn't get a place!
- Where I live, the restaurants are FULL at the weekend (last week I was offered a table at 10pm!... 20 years ago, apart from the fact there were only a handful of restaurants and the food was generally crap, they'd all be closing by 10pm!). And mid-week, all the restaurants in my town are still doing good business. In Toulouse, even on a Saturday night, restaurants might be about 50% full BECAUSE people just didn’t have the money to be going out to dinner!
- I've commented the exodus of Poles to many Polish friends working around where I live, this exodus RTE was talking about so much a few months ago. Some of my Polish friends have been here for 5 to 10 years, and they've all said they're surprised about this "apparent" exodus as they don't know any Polish who have left. A lot of the Polish girls I know do admit a lot of the Polish guys, who had been in construction, are out of jobs, but preferred to get the dole in Ireland and stay here in the belief and once things improved, which they believe they will, Ireland will still be a better place to be than back in Poland or elsewhere.
- I have a couple of office pods in a building with about 50 pods. There were quite a few empty pods when I arrived in March, but in the last couple of months they're nearly all filled, I think only about 4 remain vacant. I think this in itself as a positive sign, and a sign that the Irish are starting to fight again and feel more optimistic.

Final thing I'll say in this rant. Thank God, when this GLOBAL recession hit, we were in the excellent position we were in. We have fallen from a very high position. Many of our neighbours have fallen from much lower positions. Had this recession hit 20 years ago, we'd be truly in much deeper water than we are (I wanted to use the F word, so rephrased that last sentence, as I shouldn't be using that sort of language as an ex moderator!! LOL).

I can already guess who will totally disagree with me here, and who will agree. But of those who may disagree, most of them Irish contributors and younger, I hope you may reflect on what I've said and learn a bit, and thus feel even a little optimistic about your futures in this great country.

Oh, and one last think. I fully concur with Bestwestern about the news every morning being so negative, to only be turned around within a few hours. Only a few days ago the Irish media were spouting we were about to go down the Greek road, and this did draw international attention. I saw a headline on CNN this morning, and now one of the credit rating firms (Moodys or the likes) today saying that Ireland is "highly unlikely" to end up like Greece and that their confidence in the Irish economy is "fairly confident". Also a Spanish paper did a 2 page spread when we were saying last week we could end up like Greece. Here on RTE, they were only mentioning us, while the Spanish national daily as about Ireland and Portugal, as apparently at the same time the same was being said of Portugal. The report basically said that yes, Portugal is in big trouble and will likely go down the same road as Greece, but the article argued that Ireland probably wouldn't, and had quotes from all sorts of sources such as the EU, the International Monetary Fund, the EU Commission, and a selection of international leaders and ministers all saying the same thing "No, we can't see this happening to Ireland. We are confident in the Irish economy". Funny, RTE never gives this slant



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14781 times:

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 18):
I would have gladly stayed even if I could get an unpaid position, but alas there was nothing. The hopelessness of it all drove me away in the end. Signing on for the dole despite having worked my ass off to get a good degree and making myself available for nothing would have been too much. I honestly fear for Ireland's future. I know many people my age who are planning on moving away in the next 6 months. I don't care if I don't make much money, I just want an opportunity to show what I've got and gain experience. When our economy can't even offer that, you know we are in trouble.

With all due respect mate, and I know its an awful position to be in, but our unemployment rates arent all that higher than the US, UK etc.

This has been a global phenomenon. Time for some perspective. People will have to leave lots of countries. Again, nothing unique about us.



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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 643 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14784 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 14):
I would just like to count this sentiment with a belief of my own. In the celtic tiger era Ireland built an economy around construction.

Excellent post Brian, I very much agree with your sentiments and analysis throughout.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 17):
The boom did not start on the foundations of construction or consumerism - it was in the beginning a genuine boom based on exports - it was later on that it became distorted. You are forgetting the good solid foundations and just focusing on the bad parts, in common with practically everyone else in this country.

Correct, but it wasn't too long before it became distorted and became absolutely based on both consumerism and construction. The ''real'' expansion of our economic cycle ceased in 2003. Now, to many that probably sounds outrageous but that is indeed the case. Beyond 2003, monthly growth in lending went through the ceiling and Ireland was more than happy to lose thousands of jobs from indigenous manufacturing companies in favour of a short term approach. All was wonderful as money was more freely available than clean water and a significant number of people rode the ever strengthening wave. Ireland's entry into the Euro played a part in this - very low interest rates were in place as Germany's economy was struggling during these times - this only exacerbated the property and credit bubbles here.

The problem is though, as Brian rightly points out - a significant number of people shunned those manufacturing industries that are vital to create spin off demand in the services sector. Wage inflation went through the roof and as a result - we are now left with very little indigenous manufacturing in 2010. Those manfacturing companies that remain here are almost 99% in high end manufacturing and suffer from an enormous wage related cost base - of this I am wholly certain, having reason to be exposed to this reality on a daily basis.

Look to Germany - the biggest quarterly growth since re-unification recorded this year - Why? - Manufacturing and the multiplier impact that it has had throughout the economy. We can no longer devalue to boost exports, we have no control over monetary policy and our government follows a pro cyclical fiscal cycle - where does that leave the country?

The point is - to anyone who is saying that people are constantly moaning - would you be so positive if you were:

- A business owner who has worked for 30 years to build up everything and has lost it all due to a complete collapse in domestic demand?
- In a job that is not so secure and with no sign of a pickup in the domestic economy, a job that's looking increasingly at risk.
- A family struggling to pay debts of EUR 300,000, living in a half finished ghost estate and pondering on what could have been but realising the debt that they are saddled with for years to come.
- A young guy who left school at 16, started earning and had the 3 Series Coupe at 20 but now has no hope of ever finding employment domestically again.

You see, it's all very fine to be positive - but that's good and well if you are established in life, have a constant income etc. There is a whole generation of lost opportunity -I know it, I see it everyday. 1 in 70 graduating students have a realistic chance of finding employment now in Ireland - competition was never so tight.

Yes there is wonderful infrastructure in place now - but for what? It was needed during the ''boom'' phase, when workers spent two hours in the morning and evening on the M50.

This recession and really it's a depression here in Ireland IS different to the 1980's. The collapse in our economy is the biggest in the history of the developed Western world - fact. Exports have risen significantly in the past 12 months and that is not even enough to support the economy. We have recorded contraction in 7/8 consecutive quarters.

The rate at which we are borrowing is the fastest in the history of the state - fact. Our fiscal deficit will be enormous again this year. Years of cutting budgets are needed to get the country back on track - cutting domestic supports and expenditure will drive the country only deeper into recession.

But, we are not really in control of our country anymore are we? Over USD 3 Billion has already been entered into funds that are speculating that Ireland will default on it's debt. It's now increasingly in the market's interest that Ireland will default. The government has allowed the situation to elapse, sans direction, for far too long.

The real rate of unemployment is masked by the sheer volume of adults now re-entering third level education and other such incentives. In reality, it is more likely at 17% or more. Speak to anyone who left this country during the 1980s and subsequently returned - this time, it is different, it really is worse.

The downward pressure on prices across the majority of non monopolistic industries is simply unsustainable - fact. Domestic demand is on the floor here and just how is it going to be stimulated?

Yes, Ireland is a more open, transparent, accessible, well developed, rounded country than twenty years ago. But in the 1980's - there WERE prospects for economic growth once the situation was rectified, it was possible. Now, the situation is entirely different.

I fully respect the opinions of the more experienced members of this board, who are far more experienced than me for that matter. However, as I've said above - I have reason to be exposed to industry on a daily basis and things are truly terrible here in Ireland. If your position is not related to the export industry, either directly or supporting it or is in an area of inelastic demand (the airline industry fits with both of these categories - which is a positive), then quite likely there is at least some cause for concern. Something has got to give - we cannot continue to borrow excessively with a continual decline in the economy. The situation is more than serious - it is crippling.

The Irish are a resiliant and innovative group of people - but it's going to tighten the country to make it through successfully this time round. Already, huge damage has been done. If the government is to fall within the next 12 months - we will be unable to raise finance from the international markets - that is when the real trouble could start.

To try and get this somewhat on topic - continually strong demand for exports will have a very positive impact on aviation here in terms of traffic volumes etc. However, lesiure demand is going to remain depressed for some time to come.

EIBusiness



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User currently offlineciaranS From Ireland, joined Jul 2010, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14774 times:

Quoting auntie (Reply 12):
Anyone know what the story is with security in DUB sending everyone down to the far end (the end towards the 'D' gates) when there is a fairly short queue at the (formerly C gates) other end. It has happened to me 3 times now - all around 05:30am ish , "Sorry this one is closed" and sent down to join a giant queue at the other end. Is this cos they have a load of transfer pax - that we can't see - coming through then? Do they go thru security there??

Chances are, I will be less peeved the next time if I know the reason 

This happened me too this afternoon, i asked why and the lady told me that some of the staff needed to take their lunch breaks and if they let people use these security channels the DAA would break their SLA's...

Also does anyone know why there was an Air China A330 over at the 100's stands?


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14776 times:

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 18):
From an aviation point of view, the new wave of emigrants is good for us I guess. Maybe my generations will be the ones being targeted by the "Aer Lingus - You're Home" adverts in years to come. At least they will have a new batch of ex-pats to fly home a couple of times a year.

You posted after me. Goismeon, this sort of attitude is what I totally disagree with. I'm sorry you had to head to Germany for work. The funny thing is I know quite a high number of EU foreign national over the past years (even this year) who have HAD TO leave their countries as they could only find employment here! I also knew a few who chose to come to Ireland.

Your first paragraph about the number of people with jobs from your graduation class in college, I cant't remember the figures, but RTE and the likes were talking about this a month ago, in much the same tone as you. I decided to find the actual report they were basing themselves on, and the report was very different to what they were saying. Ireland still had one of the highest numbers of graduate finding employment in their industry or similar at home to just about any other EU country. Ireland also had a relatively low level, IN COMPARISON to other EU nations, of new graduates who had to a.) emigrate for employment or b.) continue their studies.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14743 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 21):
Yes, Ireland is a more open, transparent, accessible, well developed, rounded country than twenty years ago. But in the 1980's - there WERE prospects for economic growth once the situation was rectified, it was possible. Now, the situation is entirely different.

EIBusiness, I love your posts! They are incredibly informed for somebody of your "slightly" younger age, but I fully disagree with the above. In the 1980's we never thought the position would be rectified. When I left school in 1993, we ere still being told that the best Irish export was... can you guess? Irish people! No jobs here, so our biggest export was our people.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 21):
I have reason to be exposed to industry on a daily basis and things are truly terrible here in Ireland.

I AM exposed to industry, on an INTERNATIONAL level, on a daily basis, and that is what makes me disagree with you. If you are exposed to Irish industry, I understand your opinions as everything is so pessimistic here, but when exposed to International industry (as I am.... and perhaps you are), the reality is something else... things are not half as bad here.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 21):
The Irish are a resiliant and innovative group of people

On that we fully agree!



Long live Aer Lingus!
25 Post contains images EIBusiness : Merci beaucoup Toulouse Of course - what I mean is that there were prospects for growth in terms of the development of the country. Our infrastucture
26 Post contains images Toulouse : Slight misinterpreted you, and agree with your point there. It's true, Ireland could only improve 25 years ago, et the general sentiment back then wa
27 Post contains images EIBusiness : Absolutely - you are quite correct Toulouse. However, even on a proportional basis Irish industry has been underperforming. This marks a worrying tre
28 aerdingus : Hi everyone, Anyone know why an Air China A330 was at DUB today, and what looked like an Air Bridge Cargo 747? Thanks
29 Post contains links eicvd : That was an ex AF a/c recently delivered to National Airlines http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=6718
30 shamrock604 : Sorry, EIbusiness, but this is typical of the myopic attitude prevalent in Ireland now - you always need good infrastruture - its the foundation on w
31 aerdingus : Ah nice one Mark, really thought I was seein things today!
32 Post contains links OA260 : DUBLIN, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- Senior Communist Party of China (CPC) official Li Changchun said here Sunday that Beijing and Dublin have huge potential
33 eicvd : Strangely enough when I did see an Air Bridge Cargo a/c in DUB there was an Air China on the ground too. That was way back when Air Bridge were only
34 bestwestern : You are lucky that you are in University whilst at the bottom of the cycle. When you graduate, things will be booming again. When I left University i
35 shamrock321 : The Air China is a A340, also Aer Lingus had 2 subs in for some reason Titan and EuroAtlantic 767s both on Europes must have had a few tech A320s.
36 kaitak : Good to hear; we really, really need to build this relationship. The issue of building links with Asia is a very good example of how things don't get
37 LUPOR1D : Its probably all they could wet lease at short notice.
38 EagleBoy : today, Absolutely. And this is why I beleive the Govt should use the next 2-3 years to invest in infrastructre which will benefit the nation beyond th
39 PenPusher : Quick correction the Air China, A330-200, B-6130. Also the word was Cabin Crew shortages were the reason for the hire-ins by EIN to-day.
40 aerdingus : Lol, that's a weird coincidence alright! That EuroAtlantic 767 was trailing dust or something fierce. Cool to see though, got to see loads at DUB tod
41 Post contains images eicvd : Anyway you were not the only 1 who thought it looks like an Air Bridge Cargo, check out the thread on the National Cargo 747 & 757 & you'll k
42 MD11Engineer : About twelve years ago I went exactly the other way around. I graduated as aircraft mechanic (adult apprenticeship) with good grades, but due to LH j
43 BrianDromey : Schemes like this are going ahead up and down the country. Certainly happening in at least one local authority in Munster. The scheme I know of is fo
44 shamrock604 : Thank you for that account MD11. It shows succinctly that every country goes through these problems - we are not alone in Ireland but because of our
45 dstc47 : Welcome back to Ireland, Toulouse. Yes things are bad, much of it is our own fault - not necessarily the case in previous recessions, and we were stil
46 shamrock604 : Although it is sad to say it, this may well be the kick in stones that the Irish airport sector needs. If some regional airports cannot survive witho
47 Post contains links OA260 : Travel costs to rise as EU slaps on tax THE cost of taking a flight both within Ireland and to a range of UK cities is set to increase by €8 per tic
48 shamrock604 : Oh lord god.. just what was needed!!! The govt will simply have to get rid of this tax altogether now. It is simply counter productive, even if its i
49 Post contains links EIBusiness : Hi Shamrock604 - I phrased that comment badly. What I meant was - where was the infrastructure when it was needed? Of course strong infrastrucutre is
50 Post contains images shamrock604 : Expect an improvement on that very very soon.....
51 kaitak : Hmm ... interesting! Do you mean a new M/E carrier, or a slowdown of the decline in numbers? (The former probably leads to the latter anyway!)
52 Phen : Interesting...you're just teasing us now! Care to drop another hint or two??
53 Post contains images shamrock604 : It's not a new M/E carrier - I cant say anymore im afraid as I have been bound to secrecy
54 Post contains links IRISH251 : As others have said, at short notice you take what you can get. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24101413@N03/5026990193/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24
55 Post contains images OA260 : Very nice pic of the Air China . Facebook is a good source of many insider info on new routes/products etc...
56 oneworld77 : Interesting conversation on the situation at home. I left Ireland in the early 2000's (good timing eh!!) and I'm currently based in the UK but travel
57 EagleBoy : Nice Air China shot, you got the features of DUB in the background, gives context to the shot. "Not a NEW M/E carrier" (my emphasis) could if be Gulf
58 shamrock604 : Allow me to rephrase - it is nothing to do with a new or old carrier setting up shop here. I'd heard Nov 29th - and a phased opening
59 Post contains links oa260 : Fun and games tomorrow FR hand baggage only !! Wednesday 29 Sept-All Flights to/from Spain - Hand Baggage Only Updated: 27th Sept @14:00hrs – Online
60 shamrock604 : To top it all off Belgian ATC have called a strike to start TODAY at 1300 Irish time. Some overflights are permitted, but nothing will land or take of
61 EagleBoy : Bah hambug! You spoiled all the possible speculation!! Now that sounds more plausible. Gives them 3 extra weeks. To be a phased opening sounds better
62 Post contains links Pe@rson : Ryanair calls for EU action to prevent ATC strikes: http://atwonline.com/news/other-headlines/2010-9-28?cid=nl_atw_dn
63 shamrock604 : For once I agree with the unholy one - the level of strikes we are enduring in aviation is crazy. Much of this is being kicked up now because of talk
64 Post contains links kaitak : Ryanair might have a little more to worry about than strikes! The French tax authorities (not known for their restraint when investigating!) are looki
65 AirNZ : And nothing whatsoever wrong with than in my opinion. It is not primarily any airline's responsibility to market tourism worldwide for any country. W
66 shamrock604 : Oh that old chesnut again..... FR will just pull the base anyway rather than give in, and I suspect the Union responsible knows this - they probably
67 Post contains links kaitak : And now Ryanair has Noel Dempsey on their back over its failure to give the requisite notice for the axing of one of its KIR-DUB sectors. http://www.r
68 Post contains images CaptainMeeerkat : Hi all, I have a question regarding EI baggage, I'd appreciate any help. I want to fly from Heathrow to Dublin with EI at the beginning of November. I
69 oa260 : Yes you can have 4 bags and pay for them but each bag couldnt be more than 5KG each. There is a section that says something like ''I need more weight
70 CaptainMeeerkat : @ oa260 many thanks, i thought as much but had hoped otherwise! Cheers
71 Post contains links auntie : Some interesting comments from people who have done the T2 Trials here; http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055658371&page=16
72 Post contains images ClassicLover : Yes, they are indeed. Apparently it's almost ready. I was speaking to the Gold Circle staff when I was last in there and she said she'd seen the room
73 shamrock321 : EY will move into T2 about 3 weeks before their lounge is ready.
74 styles9002 : I'm not sure how many people would agree with you here. I'd say that every scheduled airline in the US, with the possible exception of Allegiant, rev
75 oa260 : I presume they will offer restaurant vouchers or something else to their Premium pax affected.
76 kaitak : Ryanair's two newest 737s - its first deliveries since July - will arrive in DUB today; the aircraft are EI-ENA and 'ENB.
77 Post contains images shamrock604 : Some interesting tidbits from the Government's plan to create 300,000 jobs over the next few years - apparently, one of the plans is to boost tourist
78 EagleBoy : Wonder how the govt intends to get the Indians, Chinese, Russians and Brazilians here! Maybe Noel Dempsey might have an idea, he has had 3 holidays s
79 Post contains images shamrock604 : They need to market there first obviously!! But we have direct services to Russia and the one stop links to the remainder are very good indeed. It sh
80 oa260 : I wonder if the Aer Lingus Regional DUB-GLA will run through the Winter! Doesn't seem to be doing that well according to my sources. Maybe EI will kee
81 styles9002 : Any ideas what, if any, impact today's AA/BA/IB announcement that from Oct 2010 (a few days from now) a joint venture will be operated will have on se
82 Post contains links Nibog : I see that an EI A320 ,operating EI-152 to LHR diverted to Birmingham today Sep 29th 2010,as it had a suspected fuel leak according to the Aviation He
83 Post contains images oa260 : Swiss are upgrading their Economy Class product from DUB-ZRH from October 1st. All Y class passengers will receive freshly made sandwiches along with
84 bestwestern : 'Freshly made' means what exactly? Like on Turkish - they have 'home made' cake.... thats right - the cabin crew make it the night before. Who are th
85 EIBusiness : Bestwestern - LOL! I thought I was the cynical one on here! In fairness, homemade could refer to being prepared by in house catering staff as opposed
86 Post contains links kaitak : Another incident today: a DL A330, en route from FCO to JFK, made a diversion to SNN after an elderly passenger felt unwell. http://www.avherald.com/h
87 oa260 : Freshly made in the catering dept in the morning then loaded onto the aircraft I presume! About as fresh as you will get for airline food . Swiss act
88 Post contains links bestwestern : Swiss J catering is excellent for European onboard food. Turkish Catering is excellent also. We would hope! Sandwiches usually have a shelf-life of t
89 shamrock350 : The BLT I had on Ryanair a few weeks ago was apparently freshly made, it was from their "premium collection" at least I think that's what they called
90 styles9002 : Does anyone know how the Boston Bruins are getting to Belfast for the exhibition games against the Belfast Giants?
91 oa260 : And their J class meals DUB-ZRH-ATH are fab also I agree TK in F Y C are all pretty decent having sampled them all and MEA also in Y , it's Economy c
92 bestwestern : Alas, J class European meals on the primary european airlines (BA, AF, LH) are really poor. The catering in J on smaller carriers, such as Swiss, KLM
93 Nibog : Does anyone know how the Boston Bruins are getting to Belfast for the exhibition games against the Belfast Giants? Hi Styless9002 I read on another th
94 Post contains links shamrock350 : Ryanair have announced its first Estonian routes to Tallinn with 7 new routes including one to Dublin. New routes will start in December with the Dubl
95 Pe@rson : No word of it being a base in that press release.
96 shamrock350 : My mistake, I assumed with Ryanair that it was going to be a base. I've edited the post so there's no confusion. Good news for Dublin and of course T
97 dstc47 : "Home Made" Now surely the FR pilot not flying could whip up a few tasty items in his "spare" time up front, to sell to those of us down the back in s
98 shamrock604 : I'd heard the opposite and that GLA was fine! I think the GLA route would benefit from a small Jet such as EMB170 or 190.
99 COEI2007 : Id also heard EDI ands GLA were doing well. I think at this stage, it would be to late to cut flights for the winter, unless they want to reduce freq
100 oa260 : I heard EDI was fine but GLA was not, I guess only the people at the top know that. Loads dont always reflect profits as we all know.
101 minty33 : Keep an eye on press releases from FR, it would appear that they are opening base(s) on the Canary Islands after Christmas, just before the summer sea
102 Pe@rson : Not doubting you or anything, but what's your source? IMO, the addition of a base (or bases) in the Canary Islands seems a pretty obvious move.[Edite
103 EagleBoy : Following the recent FR trend towards setting up bases in the destination (with lower labour costs) then flying TO the intended market to pick up pax.
104 Post contains images EIBusiness : Evening all, So another week moving ahead - with significant developments in terms of the domestic economy. The structure of the Banking system is fun
105 oa260 : Certainly looks interesting. Will be nice to see in person come December. This is the first revamp in over 10 years IIRC.
106 BrianDromey : I wonder if this area might be in the area of the higher "90's" gates, which are now blocked off and do not seem to be in use anymore? The artists im
107 shamrock350 : Thanks for that EIBusiness! It's very good news to hear Aer Lingus is investing in a new lounge for Heathrow, the current one in need of an update as
108 Post contains links and images oa260 : Its certainly lacking natural light .
109 shamrock350 : None of the seating is very comfortable either, those seats in the second photo always remind of those you'd find in a doctors surgery waiting area o
110 kaitak : Thanks for your comments; very interesting (if rather disturbing) reading. It is at least something that there is less uncertainty; as frightening as
111 oa260 : Its very scary to be honest ! The December budget is going to be cut throat if reports are right. I wonder what they will do to the travel tax, its a
112 Post contains links oa260 : Ireland's young are on the march again It's a journey that every Irish family knows but thought was consigned to the past: the farewell trip to Dublin
113 bestwestern : These guys would write or say anything to get their names in the press. Soon they will be running the country - god help us. In the last 12 months...
114 oneworld77 : OK, I've been holding my breath on this one almost a week and quickly expiring.....come on shamrock604....give us another clue. How many syllables? W
115 AmricanShamrok : I don't think it was a case of the region not supporting it - CDG was always pushed more for connections than origin/destination traffic - a replacem
116 BrianDromey : Did it though? The initial plan was to operate it with an AVRO, but the Régional ERJ stayed on the route for a very long time. I wonder if that was
117 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Well apparantly WX were short of aircraft when they first launched the route and chartered in the YS ERJ-145s until the RJ85 became available. WX ann
118 Post contains links EIBusiness : Interesting and positive announcement from Aer Lingus this morning, considering Mr. Macfarlane's broad industry experience and his clear, in-depth kno
119 Post contains images shamrock604 : According to another thread, AA will make a route annoucement on Wednesday, one part concerning JFK. It has been long rumoured that AA will launch JFK
120 oneworld77 : Finally! A clue - shows how good my contacts are. The closest I got was was UA. They're in for a beating!
121 COEI2007 : I thought this "new route" from an existing carrier was to do with the "m/e traffic improving?". Or was that a decoy?
122 shamrock321 : EY to ORD!? just another rumour Ive heard, not from the worlds most reliable source but who knows?
123 gosimeon : Could Dublin offer enough px numbers to justify another NY flight? Delta, Aer Lingus and Continental seems enough for me! I guess they would offer a
124 dstc47 : Meanwhile out in PSO land, reality is still a long way away, in a holding pattern over Tiger. From the Irish Times "KERRY AIRPORT is becoming a pawn i
125 Post contains links AuleyAir : Some interesting one. Ryanair interest in Airbus, ordering 300 A320 NEO. Ryanair Interested In Up To 300 A320 NEOs (by keesje Oct 4 2010 in Civil Avia
126 bestwestern : The meeting was told the airport should look at leasing aircraft to maintain connectivity with Dublin. Are the county council 9and local ratepayers) w
127 Post contains links and images Pilot21 : Nice shot of EI-ORD on the front page View Large View MediumPhoto © Ronald J Stella Pilot21
128 EIBoston : That is a great picture!
129 M6480 : Hi all, Does anyone know when the first flights are scheduled to operate from T2. Taking into account that its only weeks to go to November, which was
130 Post contains links oa260 : Three parties due to make final offers on Aer Arann Airline seeks quick resolution to examinership as creditors prepare for meeting Tuesday October 05
131 DavecFlyer : Interesting movement for DUB tomorrow afternoon: Moscow Gazpromavia GZP9601 06-10-2010 16:55 They have a mixed fleet but my money is on a 737-700. I a
132 Post contains links EIBusiness : Very, very nice shot of EI-ORD on takeoff.. Well done to the photographer involved.. On a more serious note, there is some breaking news this evening:
133 shamrocka330 : Some bad news at EI, hopefully this can get sorted out quickly. Cabin crew at Aer Lingus who are members of the IMPACT trade union have served notice
134 oa260 : Aer Lingus seems to be plagued by threats of strikes ever since I started flying them over 10 years ago. But this time I think if there are any strik
135 EI320 : There's been no mention of a strike though
136 oa260 : But still doesnt change the historic trend within EI for industrial disputes and depending on how far it goes could indeed lead to strike action. Onl
137 EIEIO : When I read your post I completely freaked out because I had just booked a flight from Birmingham to Dublin for next Wednesday week (13th). I assumed
138 EagleBoy : It seems the cabin crew are going to work to the conditions mutually agreed in March under the Greenfield plan. The company are continuing to impose c
139 Post contains images EI2KSEA : Given this recent work to rule and the fact that its October without a single hint of a date for T2, I cant see Aer Lingus (at least) in there until a
140 shamrock350 : Tell that to easyJet, they had issues over the summer and blamed their poor punctuality (which Ryanair was happy to point out) on a lack of crew simp
141 oa260 : I think they may take some flights and check them in at T1 then direct them via the walkway to T2 after clearing security.
142 shamrock321 : Delta used T2 on Monday for DL165 to JFK
143 CelticMech : It was just parked at the gates...passengers were bussed out to the aircraft and the Jet Bridges and Terminal itself were not used. From the rumors i
144 shamrock350 : The new routes have been announced by AA/BA/IB and they are; JFK-BUD AA LAX-MAD IB SAN-LHR BA ORD-HEL AA So no JFK-DUB route from AA yet, never rule
145 Post contains links and images EI787 : Galway Airport is introducing a fee of €10 for all departing passengers beginning Nov 1st, similar to what NOC has in place. http://www.galwayairpor
146 EagleBoy : Indeed. DAA are using those Pier E stands quite a bit. Only the other day my mate saw 2 FR B738s parke there. He didn't manage to snap a shot though.
147 Post contains images oa260 : Certainly does make sense I have a few DUB-LON flights with EI over the November period so fingers crossed
148 Post contains links bestwestern : The Director of Shannon Airport, Martin Moroney, said this evening that the airport is taking legal action against Ryanair for breach of contract. Spe
149 EI787 : I'll be one of them! Is there anyone else here going to be there on Saturday?
150 EIBusiness : I will be also hopefully there this Saturday all going well! EIBusiness
151 auntie : Me too! Looking forward to experiencing T2 first hand. I heard some of the volunteers got to board a plane in the September trial - and that some wer
152 eicvd : So there is at least 5 of the ALFC doing the trials on saturday, going to be like a mini-meet I guess. I'll be over in DUB on saturday myself, not doi
153 Post contains images auntie : Don't tar us all with the same brush eicvd
154 Post contains images oa260 : Yeah an EI A330 was boarded and safety demo and all was done.
155 dstc47 : Probable bad news for some EI staff Some Aer Lingus employees may have to refund money to the Revenue Commissioners, who have queried the validity of
156 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus Traffic Statistics – September 2010 Passenger numbers at Aer Lingus fell by 3.4 per cent last month compared to the same period last year
157 Post contains links EagleBoy : This may actually be bad news for EI not their staff. (well ultimately it is bad for the staff but hopefully you know what I mean) If EI claimed reim
158 Part147 : I'll be at T2 with my family this Saturday aswell - should be interesting to see the changes since the last time I was there in August!!!
159 EI320 : That is true. I had thought the days of poor industrial relations within EI were numbered after all the staff groups had accepted Greenfield. There s
160 Post contains images Nimish : Well - they certainly need to relook at their visa policy - I'm an Indian citizen with numerous 10 year type visas - from the US, UK, NZ, Singapore e
161 Post contains images eicvd : Sorry auntie, its a bad habit of mine now Thanks for the nice words about Ireland Nimish, glad your enjoying your stay here
162 AmricanShamrok : I will also be in attendance. I'm flying up from Kerry in the spirit of the occasion! I have relatives flying in from Chicago on Continental Airlines
163 Post contains images EIBusiness : Isn't there always some issue or uncertainty in the world of Irish aviation! Firstly - the Revenue Commissioners are hungry these days and are determi
164 EagleBoy : Looking at the numbers it would be worthwhile (if ye can sneak cameras) for 1-2 of ye to try and write up the first A.Net report on DUB T2............
165 dstc47 : EI seem not to have been refunded costs from the Redundancy Fund, pending a decision. It could be bad news for the staff, if the payment from EI is n
166 wexfordflyer : I had booked to go on Saturday but unfortunately had to cancel to to other commitments. Hope you all enjoy it and I look forward to hearing how it go
167 dstc47 : Tánaiste Mary Coughlan has said the Department of Enterprise has not yet decided whether or not the so-called 'leave and return' scheme introduced at
168 oa260 : An interesting letter from the CAR in relation to my issue with Aer Lingus when they were refusing to pay out. They have since settled after I advised
169 AuleyAir : I going on Saturday aswell. Looking forward to the trail and meeting you who are going. It going to be a great a.net meet up So add me on the list. U
170 Post contains images Aer Lingus : I'm also taking part in this Saturday trial
171 f1eddie : Just heard prime time will be discussing the costs of T2 tonight. I'm off out so wont be able to watch it, but it will be recorded. Enjoy your day in
172 AuleyAir : One more on the list Up to date list, EI787 EIBusiness Auntie Part147 EI320 AmericanShamrok AuleyAir Aer Lingus Is there any more a.netter going.
173 shamrock321 : Ill also be at the airport on Saturday but Ill be stuck working in T1. Enjoy yourselves, it really is a great building!
174 Post contains images EIBusiness : A shame that you will be working all day Shamrock321, Do call over if you get a chance for a quick break Apparently the trials will be completed by a
175 EagleBoy : That does have serious connotations for a lot of people. Matching T-shirts are the way to go!!!!
176 CelticMech : Heya EIBusiness...the year being referred to is 2008/2009. The people began the leaving process towards the end of 2008 and also into 2009 so, depend
177 bestwestern : More doom and gloom TV from rte no doubt. Lots of dour music, and mentions of taj mahal. The should have would have could have merchants will be roll
178 oa260 : Its actually great to see such a project being unveiled in these times, even with the latest blows to the Irish economy and downgrades. Id be more ou
179 Post contains links bestwestern : I'll be stuck on an Avro on Saturday morning too! Flyertalk beat anet to it it seems - written by a moderator. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-..
180 Post contains images oa260 : Yes and it was probably the best review we have seen so far and likely to. A real A-Z and well written.
181 Post contains images auntie : I agree - great report, thanks for the link bestwestern -- OA, you disappoint me with your lack of faith in the report writing talents of this weeken
182 COEI2007 : If there's any hope of a SNN-ORD service, it would be from the new UA. It would be more feasible to try to keep the increased EWR frequencies they ha
183 Post contains images oa260 : LOL...no offence having said that I do expect a novel from EIBUSINESS
184 bestwestern : Perhaps reducing SNN EWR to daily 752, and introducing a daily SNN ORD for summer only would ensure a small increase in capacity and optimal connecti
185 Post contains links AuleyAir : I found there some more similar trip report of T2 Trial Link http://forums.geocachingireland.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2908&start=40
186 Post contains links oa260 : Dublin Aerospace to create 50 jobs Irish aircraft maintenance group Dublin Aerospace has landed a major five-year contract with British low cost airli
187 EagleBoy : Didn't watch it all but the fact that they introduced it as the "controversial T2" shows the slant they wanted. RTE gave MoL quite the platform didn'
188 Post contains links EagleBoy : Light at the end of the tunnel for Aer Arann: "AER ARANN looks set to be taken over by a group comprising its current owner Pádraig Ó Céidigh and a
189 BrianDromey : This is great news. I'm really pleased that dublin aerospace seems to be getting off the ground. Aer Lingus and easyJet are big names for a start-up
190 Post contains links EagleBoy : I agree. The withdrawal of SRT raised the possibility of no aeronautical engineering options in this country. When the Govt talk about 'Smart economy
191 shamrock321 : Delta DL131 diverted to DUB today nice 767 spoting new colors and winglets MUC-DUB not sure why, anyone know? Would have been a nice spectacle for T2e
192 EI2KSEA : Lets not forget that Shannon still has its fair share of MRO work going on with a few different shops...
193 eicvd : Saw that taxi & depart while I was driving past, was a nice surprise. Thought it was just the usual ATL flight with a 4 hours + delay. In tonight
194 Post contains links EIBusiness : It's very nice of Aer Lingus to issue the following on a Friday evening at the close of business: http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1008/aerlingus.html Aer
195 Post contains images oa260 : Ala BA as I predicted .
196 COEI2007 : EI always remove staff travel when industrial action is threatened. Removing sick leave pay is a new low
197 oa260 : Are there many jobs that give sick pay these days?
198 EI320 : Anyone like to suggest a place/time to meet tomorrow?
199 AuleyAir : That what I like to know, how about the usual plane spotting place in "The eating place" in the mezz area.before or after the trial or down the end o
200 EIBusiness : I'm really hoping to be in attendance but can't be certain at this moment! According to the e-mail provided, Area 14 seems to be the central point bef
201 AuleyAir : As someone suggest earlier that colour matching t-shirt
202 Post contains images EagleBoy : Does Delta DUB-ATL usually have a 4 hour delay? In relation to the EI situation the intervention of "Senior mgmt" to reject an agreed deal seems like
203 Post contains images eicvd : No but the JFK flight does
204 Post contains images EI320 : might be easier to meet before the trial starts rather than during it since we'll all probably be heading to different gates to catch our "flights" t
205 Post contains links EagleBoy : A mate showed me this, its an Irish site with pics of the Delta emergency diversion. Looks dramatic with the multiple fire units chasing her http://ww
206 Post contains images Aer Lingus : How would we know who is an a.netter tomorrow? We need signs! Otherwise we don't know who's who tomorrow unless we have met before. Any volunteers ab
207 EIBusiness : A couple of us have already exchanged details to enable a meet up for tomorrow, so if anyone else is interested just drop me a line... A good point wo
208 Post contains links and images EI787 : Just checking the departure boards for DUB tomorrow...we can see where us triallers will be 'flying' to by spotting the false flight numbers: Faro Aer
209 AuleyAir : I just wonder are we going to board the plane and watch the safety demo video and listening the captain welcome speak "Welcome to (airline name) We a
210 EagleBoy : I suppose it depends on whether EI have the spare aircraft and/or the spare crew to welcome you onboard
211 MD11Engineer : If I remember correctly from my time workinjg in Ireland, sick pay in Ireland is NOT an obligatory right for an employee, but part of a negotiated ag
212 Post contains images planemanofnz : Wow it's been a long time since I've been on here! Good luck to all of you going off to the T2 trials tomorrow - wish I could be going too! T2 is cert
213 EISHN : Welcome back planemanofnz! It's been a while since you were last in these parts.
214 oa260 : Very true I don't work I don't get paid! Then again since I started a year ago I have had no sick days and no lates which I pride myself on. Should I
215 gosimeon : Just booked my Christmas flights home from FRA with Aer Lingus. I didn't expect my German Maestro card to work, I don't even think it works on the Luf
216 EagleBoy : (My emphasis in bold letters) I think in a perfect world this would be the way forward for EI, along with membership of either O/W or *A. EI seem to
217 kaitak : Realistically, in the current environment, the emphasis will be on defending its match, maintaining yields and developing DUB as a hub. The A320 flee
218 BrianDromey : I didn't think EI had signalled that they might be interested in a 100 seated aircraft? Even if they were I don't see any reason (other than scope cl
219 EagleBoy : Well a friend of mine was at an EI staff briefing 2 months ago where it was confirmed that EI have at least entered into some form of discussions wit
220 Post contains images EI787 : Well I'm back from T2! Had a great few hours. It was really well organised with what seemed like hundreds of staff there to direct you around the plac
221 grimey : Not many shops compared to the other terminal or other airports, still a nice area. I'm wondering where can I get one last Irish breakfast before I f
222 Post contains images auntie : Dammit!! ei787 and grimey, you have beaten me to it!! Oh well I might as well post it anyway now that I have typed it. It would be a shame to waste it
223 Greenjet : I was on the 'cancelled' EI9995 to LHR and was transferred to the EI9991. We arrived at gate 413 just in time to catch the end of Siobhan Moore's talk
224 Post contains images auntie : You must have been in the other queue, I originally joined that one but was sent to the other one - it moved quite quickly. Didn't even notice these!
225 dstc47 : Glad you all had relatively positive experiences at T2. I had the Chilean drilling team ready to extract you if things went wrong! RTE News at 6 are t
226 Post contains images EIBusiness : LOL! More like I was always one step behind and trying to catch up! Many of the crew have posted on here already so I'll try to keep it as short as p
227 auntie : EIBusiness, you should have got the DAA to pay you for that review! You put me to shame, when the best I could come up with was; well it looks nice bu
228 Post contains images EIBusiness : Thanks Auntie - it seems that you were on my flight also
229 Post contains links oa260 : Hey thought I saw you also but wasnt sure and didnt want to make a fool of myself saying hi and then you turning round and saying ''who are you'' lol
230 AuleyAir : Great report. I was very unlucky, I was suppose to be on the Faro flight to get on the plane but at the check in, I was transfer to Munich flight alo
231 EagleBoy : An A.Net tee shirt would have ensured ye all got on the telly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
232 Post contains images EI787 : I just watched back the report online, and I'm on it too! The first two seconds of the report...I'm second in the queue to check in! Anyone want an a
233 EIBusiness : A fantastic report OA260 and well done to everyone else who has submitted reports. Just to add also - I thought the speech made by Siobhan Moore at ea
234 oa260 : Totally agree I know Siobhan from when I used to work in the industry and she is a lovely lady and she has spent her life at the airport as she said.
235 Part147 : My self and my family enjoyed the day too!!! We were Ms Tara Lurkey (T.urkey), Mick Acaw (M.Acaw) and Andrea Badger (A.Badger) heading to Faro... I ca
236 oa260 : Did anyone notice SX-MTF ? It was parked next to the EI9991 gate. Would have been ironic me boarding a Greek A/C shame we didn't . The other thing I l
237 grimey : I noticed that there is no public bar or restaurants that you can go into. For example there is a bar, a McDonalds etc. in T1 and its a handy place to
238 Aer Lingus : It great meeting you today, AuleyAir, EI320 and EIBusiness. If you're on camera, there's a possibility that I'm in it as well : )
239 auntie : Did anyone have the pink sticker on the back of their folder? I'm just curious what that was all about?!?!?
240 Post contains images Aer Lingus : EI320 and EIBusiness got the pink sticker today. They're transferring PAX from T1 to T2 and they got a bus ride
241 oa260 : I wondered that also the DAA really tested out all scenarios , fair play to them. People with assistance and cancelled flights,connections etc... Wha
242 Post contains links kaitak : Here's your boarding pass (without a pink sticker!) to the next thread! Irish 23/10: Countdown To T2 (by kaitak Oct 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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