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PSA182 32 Years Ago.  
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

R.I.P all those who died that horrible morning in San Diego.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Flight_182

http://www.jetpsa.com/memorial/memorial.html

sandiegoblog.com/archives/2004/06/16/psa-crash-1978


Also a new documentary has been made, very well done too.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Return...tory-Of-PSA-Flight-182/67904516065


We can discuss the crash etc but please do not turn it into an argument on who was at fault etc.

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User currently offlinetootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9703 times:
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It was a very sad morning. I remember it so clearly, almost like yesterday.

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9677 times:

Those images of the PSA 722 rolling over to the right with the right wing in flames are some of the most haunting images I have ever seen. It's so sad realizing that those photos capture the last seconds of that ill-fated flight. RIP to all of those that lost their lives on the flight and on the ground.

FX1816


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
R.I.P all those who died that horrible morning in San Diego



I'll never forget it. It was horrible. I lived 1/2 miles from the crash site and witnessed the aftermath just minutes after it happened. Yes, my friends, R.I.P.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

PSA flight attendant Nikki St. Germain lost her brother, Don St. Germain, in the crash. Her husband, pilot Doug Arthur, subsequently lost his life in the BAe 146 crash in 1987.

Nikki lost loved ones in both of PSA's crashes.

May all the victims of both crashes R.I.P., and may time heal the wounds of all those affected by the crashes.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 1):
It was a very sad morning. I remember it so clearly, almost like yesterday.
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 3):
I'll never forget it. It was horrible. I lived 1/2 miles from the crash site and witnessed the aftermath just minutes after it happened. Yes, my friends, R.I.P.

Sorry you had to experience it. North park is a very unique community. Once thing is how tight nit the neighboorhood seemed to have been. I Was at Dwight and Nile this morning and can't imagine the horror that morning.

Some people came by and laid flowers. It was very surreal.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1002/psa182a.jpg

I then drove down El Cajon Blvd right under where the collision took place. I then stopped at the gas station Hans Wendt was at when he took the iconic shot of 182.




I stood where he was that morning and took a pic of the apartment building that was in his shot. The trees have grown in since then but it was very chilling.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/475/hansw.jpg

We then went to visit the plaque at the San Diego Air Museum. It was downstairs being cleaned but we went to the PSA exhibit there which is very good.

R.I.P. all who perished and a great airline.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9222 times:
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I remember when the crash happened, I was in the 6th grade and it was a santa ana. They let
us out of school early because it was almost 100 degrees that day. I remember the teacher telling
us that a horrible airline crash just happened. Today, I live fairly close to Dwight and Nile streets,
I am amazed to this day that the crash site was not as widespread as I expected. You can tell where the crash
was by looking at the houses, it's an older neighborhood and you can see larger,newer homes within a two block
area surrounded by the older houses,the modern homes are where the old houses once stood that was
destroyed by the PSA 727.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9193 times:

I remember this accident, I was in my A&P class at Long Beach City College. It was a very sad day to say the least. It is always a sad day when we lose any flight crew of any airline Foreign & Domestic. R.I.P. to all crews who died doing what they loved.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9163 times:

While a tragic accident, what is generally accepted as it's cause in turn meant changes in VFR as well as how and where smaller a/c operate in areas near mainline commercial aircraft and routes. That has meant much safer operations of aircraft, saving many lives in the long run.

User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3070 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

I make my annual call to this thread and pay my respects to those who perished in SAN.Being a teenager at the time,driving home, then radio flashes of the crash,I was devastated .I couldn't believe it.I still have newspapers of that horrible day.

R.I.P.



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 7):
It is always a sad day when we lose any flight crew of any airline Foreign & Domestic. R.I.P. to all crews who died doing what they loved.

More so, in this crash, than in most - thirty PSA crew were deadheading on 182.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9039 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 6):
You can tell where the crash
was by looking at the houses, it's an older neighborhood and you can see larger,newer homes within a two block
area surrounded by the older houses,the modern homes are where the old houses once stood that was
destroyed by the PSA 727.

Yep that is obvious when you are there.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
While a tragic accident, what is generally accepted as it's cause in turn meant changes in VFR as well as how and where smaller a/c operate in areas near mainline commercial aircraft and routes. That has meant much safer operations of aircraft, saving many lives in the long run

Very true.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 10):
More so, in this crash, than in most - thirty PSA crew were deadheading on 182.

Yes, this was SDs airline and it seems it was a very big family. Shame they aren't around anymore.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8998 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Yes, this was SDs airline and it seems it was a very big family. Shame they aren't around anymore.

I sure do miss those "grinning birds" flying the western skies.

[Edited 2010-09-25 17:31:20]


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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8985 times:
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Here's the same PSA 727 that sadly went on to become flight 182, landing at SAN during her
happier days.


PSA---Pacific/Boeing-727-214/1103291/L/" target="_blank">View Large PSA---Pacific/Boeing-727-214/1103291/M/" target="_blank">View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.




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User currently offlinedwightm From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8178 times:
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I was stationed at Camp Pendleton and very vividly recall when 182 went down. It was a horribly hot day. PSA was "our" airline. The flights were so inexpensive, that we never thought twice about grabbing a flight to any point between San Diego, LA, and the Bay Area. All of our friends as well as the people I went to college with all felt the same way. We flew PSA so much that over time, you got to know some of the crew. Inevitably, you were bound to know someone on board 182 when she went down, and we did lose a close friend that day. Ironically, we lost another close friend 8 months later on American 191.

User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week ago) and read 7060 times:

It still gives me the chills everytime I look at the two infamous photos of the 727 going down. Truly horrific.

May they rest in peace.

[Edited 2010-09-26 04:04:01]


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 13):
Here's the same PSA 727 that sadly went on to become flight 182, landing at SAN during her
happier days.

Frank must have cringed when he saw he had that shot in his archives. Wow.

Quoting dwightm (Reply 14):
I was stationed at Camp Pendleton and very vividly recall when 182 went down. It was a horribly hot day. PSA was "our" airline. The flights were so inexpensive, that we never thought twice about grabbing a flight to any point between San Diego, LA, and the Bay Area. All of our friends as well as the people I went to college with all felt the same way. We flew PSA so much that over time, you got to know some of the crew. Inevitably, you were bound to know someone on board 182 when she went down, and we did lose a close friend that day. Ironically, we lost another close friend 8 months later on American 191.

Yes one wouldn't think of SD being a small town but this airline should made it feel that way.

Quoting RJAF (Reply 15):
It still gives me the chills everytime I look at the two infamous photos of the 727 going down. Truly horrific.

Yes this pic and the pic of AA191 were both headlines on the paper we got daily and really brought it in your living room.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5823 times:
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The areas around Dwight and Nile is such a peaceful area,with tall palm trees and older houses,it's
hard to imagine the devastation 32 years ago. Recently, I was driving past Dwight and Nile,and I
looked up and saw a UA A320 on final approach to SAN pass by. It was a chilling reminder of what
happened in that same spot in 1978.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
changes in VFR as well as how and where smaller a/c operate in areas near mainline commercial aircraft and routes. That has meant much safer operations of aircraft, saving many lives in the long run.

I realized the flight paths have changed since then,but it appears as if 182 was flying an awkward path when
it collided with the cessna,it looks as if it was cutting directly over North Park,which would have had the 727
make a sharp right turn to line up with runway 27 ,which is about two miles south of the crash site. On
occasion, I've seen airliners fly directly over my neighborhood (North Park),when they have to do a go-around,
due to a missed approach,but there was no record of PSA flight#182 doing a go-around. It would be interesting
to see the old flight paths to SAN.



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 875 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5777 times:
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Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 17):
182 was flying an awkward path when
it collided with the cessna,it looks as if it was cutting directly over North Park,which would have had the 727
make a sharp right turn to line up with runway 27 ,which is about two miles south of the crash site

Back in the day this approach was typical into SAN. Many times it was base leg over North Park and then line up for short final just before Balboa Park.

I flew LAX-SAN dozens of times in the 70s, and rarely was the downwind leg to 27 extended very far to the east. Of course, there was not as much straigh it traffic from the east back then either. Seems like nowadays you are way out over La Mesa/El Cajon before you turn around to the west.

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5631 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 18):
I flew LAX-SAN dozens of times in the 70s, and rarely was the downwind leg to 27 extended very far to the east. Of course, there was not as much straigh it traffic from the east back then either. Seems like nowadays you are way out over La Mesa/El Cajon before you turn around to the west.

Tomas SJC

Hey thanks for the info. You're right, back then there was not much traffic from the east,
mostly everything went to LAX and up north.There certainly wasn't 23 airlines serving SAN there like it is today.
Nowadays, it's PSA's successor, WN dominating SAN,with even more flights than PSA ever had from SAN.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 18):
Back in the day this approach was typical into SAN. Many times it was base leg over North Park and then line up for short final just before Balboa Park

Yes I loved at the musuem how they came right over us!

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 19):
Hey thanks for the info. You're right, back then there was not much traffic from the east,
mostly everything went to LAX and up north.There certainly wasn't 23 airlines serving SAN there like it is today.
Nowadays, it's PSA's successor, WN dominating SAN,with even more flights than PSA ever had from SAN.

Very good point.


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 18):
I flew LAX-SAN dozens of times in the 70s, and rarely was the downwind leg to 27 extended very far to the east. Of course, there was not as much straigh it traffic from the east back then either. Seems like nowadays you are way out over La Mesa/El Cajon before you turn around to the west.

I think it's because they now have to maintain 4000 feet over MYF. Back in the 60's and 70's, they came off the Mission Bay VOR at about 2000 feet and made a tight turn over North Park at about 1000 feet. I grew up on the end of Vancouver Ave and remember Delta's DC-8 at 3:21am making it's low turn every night from LAX very clearly. Great memories.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

I just spent a few hours looking at the photographs of the crash here:

http://photos.signonsandiego.com/080920PSA


Truly horrific. But click on the photos, and then read the comments below them. Very eye opening....very.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 22):
Truly horrific. But click on the photos, and then read the comments below them. Very eye opening....very.

Read this blog. It's very long but has a lot of first responders and residents firsts hand accounts.

http://sandiegoblog.com/archives/2004/06/16/psa-crash-1978


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5065 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Everytime I see those 2 pictures of 182 on her dive, it makes me feel ill. Oh so badly I wish I could use my fingers to grab her, and bring her safely home. I can't imagine the terror of the passengers who saw that wing. Does anyone know if there was any way of saving that airplane? I know the pilots fought it all the way to the ground.

I remember reading somewhere that the Grand Canyon collision in the 1950's almost ended differently. I read that United 718 almost pulled out of its dive.



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25 Braniff727Ultra : PSA (Poor Sailors Air) as it was known too the Marines & Squids of the day; we loved flying PSA especially if we nabbed a 96 and needed to get hom
26 NIKV69 : No way, they had already started flaps and put down the gear so they were very slow and the wing was damaged too much to control the aircraft. Nothin
27 aviateur : Incredible. What a haunted spot. That is one of the most iconic air disaster photos of all time -- right up there with the shot of AA 191, and that f
28 Post contains images mrskyguy : Frank's caught quite a few of those "types" of shots over the many early years of his photo spotting. I have always wondered how he felt years later
29 WA707atMSP : F9, you are correct. About twenty years ago, Airliners had an article about the Grand Canyon collision. The article's author used an inflatable boat
30 F9Animal : Yes, that was the article that I remember reading. That was an excellent article by the way. I dream of one day going there and visiting it. I have w
31 NIKV69 : Yea It was a very weird feeling. His shot looks like he was standing to the right of where I was but I couldn't move any further right because of the
32 WA707atMSP : The most haunted spot I've ever visited was the Nomads Travel Club hangar at DTW, which was used as the morgue after the NW MD-80 crash at DTW in 198
33 NIKV69 : I have visited many air crash sites and PSA182 still is the most haunting. By far.
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