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UA/CO - LiveTV On UA Domestic Aircraft?  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6489 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

I was wondering, once UA and CO merge, are there any plans to introduce LiveTV on UA domestic aircraft, including UA's A319/A320s, and domestic 752s, 763s and 772As?

One particular issue particularly with the domestic 763 and 772A fleet would be that there may not be a widebody version of the LiveTV system available. Remember that widebody IFE systems have to have the ability to control the reading lights and FA calls, which I don't think LiveTV offers.

Does anyone have any info?


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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5657 times:

Nothing has been announced a lot. If I were a betting man, I would expect liveTV to come to United's domestic fleet of A-319/320s simply because of the arrangement Continental has (they essentially pay nothing for the liveTV). As for the rest of the fleet, I don't think United 757s will be around much longer in their current format.

User currently offlinelaphroig From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
I don't think United 757s will be around much longer in their current format

Er, might I ask why you have drawn that conclusion? Seems like a pretty big fleet on too many routes to dismiss so easily. I can't imagine that the combined carrier has enough excess capacity to just retire these so soon.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting laphroig (Reply 2):
Er, might I ask why you have drawn that conclusion? Seems like a pretty big fleet on too many routes to dismiss so easily. I can't imagine that the combined carrier has enough excess capacity to just retire these so soon.

I just meant that I would not be surprised to see them either: a.) converted to international use, or b.) retired sooner rather than later as United had previously indicated it was going to place a narrowbody order soon to replace its 757 fleet.


User currently offlinelaphroig From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5395 times:

Since we haven't seen a narrowbdy order yet, I'm guessing we'll see the ol' 57 fleet around for at least another 5 years. Converting some to international would seem to make some sense, but I cant see their their existing domestic committments a) going away, b) being backfilled by former CO aircraft as they have their own routes that arent going away, c) being backfilled by new aricraft in significant numbers. That's a lot of planes and a lot of passengers. Thoughts?

User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6489 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Also, UA's domestic widebodies might displace some of CO's 764ERs from Hawaii routes and free them to use on international routes.


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User currently offlinelaphroig From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
UA's domestic widebodies might displace some of CO's 764ERs from Hawaii routes

That would be great since UA's "domestic" widebodies are really a dedicated Hawaii subfleet and the 764s appeart to be wonderful TATL platforms. The problem is, the UA domestic widebody birds are mostly already fully booked with Hawaii now. Nearly all of the hub-hub domestic widebody usage - int config and domestic config - is fleet utilization and repositioning so there isnt a lot of spare "domestic" capacity that can be moved to additional mainland - Hawaii flying.

Back to the original topic, UA has put big $$ into refitting its A320 interiors (former TED birds). I'm not sure how the investment priorities would rank another seating mod to this fleet. In terms of comonality of product I would think it would be up there with adding E+ to the CO 737NGs however.

The vast majority of the 777s are undergoing refit now but I doubt the domestic subfleet of 67 and 77 aircraft would warrent Live TV since they spend most of their time going to/fro Hawaii.

I've been reading a lot here on a-net about fleet utilization of the combined airline, but I think there are BIG decisions coming on aircraft interior and in-flight features (E+, food, CH9, 2 class / 3 class, LiveTV, seat choices) that are going to be really interesting to watch.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5175 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Quoting laphroig (Reply 6):
The vast majority of the 777s are undergoing refit now but I doubt the domestic subfleet of 67 and 77 aircraft would warrent Live TV since they spend most of their time going to/fro Hawaii.

I would think AVOD is the better choice on these birds.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Quoting laphroig (Reply 6):
I've been reading a lot here on a-net about fleet utilization of the combined airline, but I think there are BIG decisions coming on aircraft interior and in-flight features (E+, food, CH9, 2 class / 3 class, LiveTV, seat choices) that are going to be really interesting to watch.

Indeed. Does anybody have any idea of a time line for when some of these things might be announced?


User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

I think you'll hear some things announced very soon, just as soon as the "official" merger is completed. There
will be many changes, on both sides.


User currently offlineairborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Ok
In our inflight manual Oct 1.. Our 777 ipte the new ones being refitted now has a new chapter call
All access to tv in economy
You have to pay for livetv
Wondering is this what that could be


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting airborne1 (Reply 10):
Ok
In our inflight manual Oct 1.. Our 777 ipte the new ones being refitted now has a new chapter call
All access to tv in economy
You have to pay for livetv
Wondering is this what that could be

The IPTE 777s used overseas have AVOD in Y class thats free.

LiveTV is not on the IPTE 777s as LiveTV is a domestic product.



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User currently offlineairborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

our FAOm
Chapter 12 Section 15
Cabin Systems
PAY FOR ACCESS


The United Economy Premium Entertainment product, also known as Pay For Access, will soon
be available on all UE B777 IPTE airplanes.
Since you know United1, please explain to me what this details. I am a flight attendant with United
and we just got the revision for OCT 1 , 2010...


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I was wondering, once UA and CO merge, are there any plans to introduce LiveTV on UA domestic aircraft, including UA's A319/A320s, and domestic 752s, 763s and 772As?

Me thinks not any time soon. Imagine how much it would cost to install.
I doubt they have that kind of money. There are probably other priorities right now.



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 9):
I think you'll hear some things announced very soon, just as soon as the "official" merger is completed. There will be many changes, on both sides.

Wanna give us a hint?  



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User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
Me thinks not any time soon. Imagine how much it would cost to install.

almost nothing for LiveTV as stated above. They pay the cost for installation and then also get the majority of revenue, which are their agreements with CO and F9 these days.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Quoting airborne1 (Reply 12):
The United Economy Premium Entertainment product, also known as Pay For Access, will soon
be available on all UE B777 IPTE airplanes.

I have no idea what pay for access is, unless UA is planning on charging to use the AVOD in Y but last I heard they were not, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that LiveTv wont be going in the IPTE 777s or any of the other aircraft that are set up for overseas flights. Due to the positions of the satellites that broadcast LiveTV the service only works over North America and maybe 50-100 miles of the US coast hence it's pretty much a domestic only product.



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User currently offlineAirportPlan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 16):
I have no idea what pay for access is, unless UA is planning on charging to use the AVOD in Y but last I heard they were not, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that LiveTv wont be going in the IPTE 777s or any of the other aircraft that are set up for overseas flights. Due to the positions of the satellites that broadcast LiveTV the service only works over North America and maybe 50-100 miles of the US coast hence it's pretty much a domestic only product



UA will most likely be using the same IFE strategy that CO uses. 319s and 320s aircraft will receive Live Tv. As was stated above LiveTv is installed and maintained by the vendor for free. The vendor receives the bulk of the revenue. 757s, 767s and 777s will receive AVOD. UA is already in the process of upgrading the international 777s to AVOD. The wild cards are the 744s. They currently have no PTVs in Y.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 14):
Wanna give us a hint?

Think Rhapsody.... http://www.youtube.com/user/ContinentalAirlines#p/u/0/jdI7kA2YqTw



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
Quoting TWFirst (Reply 14):
Wanna give us a hint?

Think Rhapsody.... http://www.youtube.com/user/ContinentalAirlines#p/u/0/jdI7kA2YqTw


Hooray! Rhapsody in Blue lives!

Can't wait to see new UA ads....



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
Quoting TWFirst (Reply 14):
Wanna give us a hint?

Think Rhapsody.... http://www.youtube.com/user/Continen...2YqTw

NICE!



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
Think Rhapsody.... http://www.youtube.com/user/Continen...2YqTw

I realize that Rhapsody in Blue is a big thing to UA employees and fans... and I admit it's a decent piece of music... but frankly, I'm somewhat underwhelmed overall. Still, they could do far worse.

I must say, the piano in the background throughout is a bit distracting.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 21):
I must say, the piano in the background throughout is a bit distracting.

My experience with UAs safety videos is that it's pretty hard to hear the music in the background when your on the aircraft with all the other noise going on around you.

The only other option was ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts8p6e-uI9w&feature=related

Do you find that any less distracting?

Heres the Smisek intro PMUA version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzA6U0lXnBA



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User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Quoting airborne1 (Reply 12):
The United Economy Premium Entertainment product, also known as Pay For Access, will soon
be available on all UE B777 IPTE airplanes
.
Since you know United1, please explain to me what this details. I am a flight attendant with United
and we just got the revision for OCT 1 , 2010...

I flew LHR-SFO last Tuesday on an IPTE 777. What this "Pay for Access" means is that complimentary AVOD entertainment in United Economy on a IPTE 777 is limited (choices of about six movies, four TV shows, and Zune on United audio channels), but to unlock the rest of the features (additional movies, TV shows, audiobooks, audio playlists, etc.), you have to pay (the screen said $10) via the credit card swiper located underneath the AVOD screen. You can preview the listings before making the purchase.

Full access to the entire AVOD library on an IPTE 777 is of course complimentary for United First and United Business customers.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6489 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting AirportPlan (Reply 17):
UA will most likely be using the same IFE strategy that CO uses. 319s and 320s aircraft will receive Live Tv. As was stated above LiveTv is installed and maintained by the vendor for free. The vendor receives the bulk of the revenue. 757s, 767s and 777s will receive AVOD. UA is already in the process of upgrading the international 777s to AVOD. The wild cards are the 744s. They currently have no PTVs in Y.

What about the domestic 763ERs and 772As? I'm not sure whether LiveTV offers a widebody version of their system, since it would require the ability to control the reading lights and FA calls.



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25 Antoniemey : The music in that seems softer... though that may be an illusion. Overall, I think I like the United video better. Either of the new ones is an impro
26 Antoniemey : OK, I'm curious. Why is this a requirement?
27 1337Delta764 : Almost all widebody aircraft have their reading lights and FA calls controlled by the IFE system. The only widebody aircraft that I know that had ove
28 washingtonian : Love it! Interesting. Was this the plan all along? And is this the same on CO's 777s with AVOD?
29 Post contains links aznmadsci : Here's the PMCO version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdI7kA2YqTw&feature=sub I miss the previous background music as I kept on whistling with i
30 Post contains images pnwtraveler : You can please some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time. This is why democracy doesn't work in business. Now people are
31 Post contains images aznmadsci : I was definitely not bitching about the change in music. I just got used to the old one and would whistle along with it. Gotta get used to the new on
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