commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12762 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 43916 times:
It will also be interesting to see how this plays out with the dynamics in Milwaukee. Just as how Delta is now going to be facing by far the most formidable hub competitor it's ever had in Atlanta (Southwest is far stronger than AirTran has ever been, or Eastern ever was), the same is true of Midwest/Frontier/Republic in Milwaukee: they've never been up against a competitor this big/strong/well-financed in Milwaukee before.
This is going to be interesting ...
Quoting vmcavmcg (Reply 3): My guess is the 717 is not going to figure in the long term fleet plan. Certainly Muse Air could be a good example of what will happen.
Agreed - I think they will be around only as long as it takes for Southwest to get 737s to replace them. Even still, even if only in the interim, if we could see a 717 in Southwest livery - that would be cool!
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 43697 times:
OMG! Think about it further though.. Southwest will own BWI, MCO, FLL.. they will get a HUGE presence in MKE and get into DCA and more flights intoLGA.. they will be international and be in EVERY large airport they aren't already in..
Southwest has immediately became a airline beast!!
Airport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 43659 times:
I mean HOLY COW!
I suppose this shouldn't be all that surprising. The acquisition makes sense in more ways than one. Complimentary fleet, complimentary culture, complimentary route network. Now WN will have access to DCA, ATL, international destinations, a Business class product, 717s, etc. Etc.
Holy cow is all I can say for the moment. This will be a thread to remember.
Regardless of what they are called, Midway, Baltimore, Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc. are all Southwest hubs. Now we can just add Atlanta to that list.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8): A very, very interesting acquisition by WN. I am sure B6, NK, DL, and AA are all very concerned right now...
I don't really see the immediate threat to any of those airlines except Delta. Longer-term, if Southwest uses this as a springboard to grow internationally in general, of course all those airlines could be in the crosshairs. But in the short-run, the airline with the biggest exposure to this is obviously Delta by far (Atlanta), and Republic (Milwaukee). Beyond that, AirTran's network overlaps very little with AA, JetBlue and Spirit.
Phase them out as fast as they can get 737s to replace them.
I wonder about this. I guess at some point the economies of having a one-type fleet outweigh the cost of replacing a relatively large number of economical frames that are already on hand...but I'm not convinced that this would be the case immediately. It's not like they're inheriting a pile of 727s.
Is there more to it than dollars and cents? Does buying a bunch of new 737s make them more profit than getting their money's worth out of the 717s?
Either way, I have nothing but fond memories of flying both AirTrain and the 717. I hope this works out well for their people...
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 43480 times:
You know, as I was thinking.. I could completely see WN keeping the 717 for the "small cities" that AirTran already flies to. These aircraft will be just the small aircraft WN had always needed for these smaller markets to be able to serve them efficiently. I"m guessing by small
Dang! Just figured out WN is entering CLT too! US is gonna have to run AGAIN! (LOL).. I could see WN doing MCO, BWI, BNA, MDW, MCO, TPA, PHX, and PHL off the bat... maybe even RDU and ORF to tick US off..
However, since neither is going to go into Bankruptsy, does this mean WN will also have the Skywest contract??? what will they do with those lil RJ?
sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 43357 times:
Yes!!!!!! WN leaves SY alone!!! 717 in WN colors!!!
I was channel surfing and stopped on HLN and caught the tail end of the story. I almost broke my neck turning around.
This will be interesting to say the lest.
Below is from press release...
"Based on current operations, the combined organization would have nearly 43,000 Employees and serve more than 100 million Customers annually from more than 100 different airports in the U.S. and near-international destinations. In addition, the combined carriers' all-Boeing fleet consisting of 685 active aircraft would include 401 Boeing 737-700s, 173 Boeing 737-300s, 25 Boeing 737-500s, and 86 Boeing 717s, with an average age of approximately 10 years, one of the youngest fleets in the industry. Southwest Airlines also announced, previously, that it is evaluating the opportunity to introduce the Boeing 737-800 into its domestic network to complement its current fleet, providing opportunities for longer-haul flying and service to high-demand, slot-controlled, or gate-restricted markets. This acquisition supports Southwest Airlines' evaluation of the Boeing 737-800."
knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3230 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 43347 times:
Obviously it's incredibly early to expect public statements on details, but a few obvious points of curiosity.
(a) Business class expanded to the entire fleet or dropped?
(b) Assigned seating...with or without AirTran's fee...expanded to the entire fleet or dropped?
(d) Wifi expanded to the entire fleet or dropped?
(e) The 717 is something of an orphan airframe, but does WN benefit from having something smaller than the 137-seat 737, and if so is it the 717? Or it the 717 fleet going to be walled off into the legacy AirTran neetwork until it can be replaced by the 737, even if that means dropping some smaller markets?
(f) What of Milwaukee, considering Southwest simply does not need MKE for east-west flow like AirTran does?
(g) Will this cook the 16-departuere/day MKE feeder operation of Skywest? Or will they consider replicating this elsewhere?
(h) Will ATL see pounding growth like Denver has, and if so how soon?
(i) Southwest typically doesn't run a station with fewer than about 8 flights per day. There are around thirty AirTran cities under that tier, and unless Southwest changes their strategy, will they be dumped just like most of the smaller Morris stations?
(k) GDS or only at southwestairlines.com?
AirTran brings a number of things to the table which Southwest doesn't do, some of which (like assigned seating) have been toyed with for years. Southewest is clearly the acquiring carrier here and is about 4x the size of AirTran, but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing of AirTran will be kept by Southwest. Most traces of Muse and Morris that were different than Southwest were phased out fairly quickly, but times have changed.
This is really going to be interesting. I also think that the 717s go bye-bye and there will be no remnant of AirTran in the merged entity. I also wonder if Southwest will reduce the presence in Atlanta or hold the line against Delta. Watch Delta stock today for some clues. Also wondering how unions will impact this deal.