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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15624 times:

OK, so we're all excited about the Southwest-Airtran alliance.

The way I see it, a strong JetBlue means that any antitrust issues will be minimal. Who else would complain? Delta? They've treated many small- and medium-sized stations like dirt...cutting capacity or abandoning them altogether. Don't think for a moment that members of Congress don't know this or hear about it from their constituents! MHT is one such station that Delta has under-served.

In our region, MHT stands to 'gain' Airtran while Portland stands to 'gain' Southwest. I am very pleased to see this for the sake of PWM because they are embarking on a capital expansion and this will hopefully play right into their hands.

Has Airtran abandoned Burlington? Would the new Southwest take another look?

Obviously, Boston stands to gain because Southwest immediately gains a whole bunch of gates & counter space they didn't have before!

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15630 times:

Regarding the WN/FL purchase:

PVD/BDL - slight gain (stand alone FL would have been better when they eventually did start service)

Likely addition of PVD-ATL 2x, perhaps seasonal RSW or PBI

PWM - probably slight gain

I expect we will see WN operate some stations with as few as 5-6 daily flights. PWM will probably see something like 3x BWI 2x MDW 1x MCO

MHT - worst case scenario is even, chance for a slight gain

Possible 1x ATL

BOS - possible loser?

BOS will be interesting because there are actually a lot of areas in which BOS might lose seats. the 9x FL BOS-BWI is as good as gone. BOS-CAK/PHF are also likely goners, BOS-MKE will likely go down to 0 or 1x too. On the flip side, I think we will see WN open up BOS-Florida with something like 4x MCO 2x TPA, 1x PBI and RSW.

The other issue is gates, WN and FL each have 3 gates in seperate terminals. Finding more than 5 contingous gates will be near impossible and I dont expect other airlines to help out. I expect we will see WN take the other two gates they can at E for a total of 5. Net flights at BOS may actually decrease for the combined carrier.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15619 times:

What do you put the chances of this going through at? +90%? I don't know which airlines are going to have a plausible argument here. JetBlue can't because they are doing well enough. Delta can't, because they've angered enough communities already. Who else stands in the way?

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15616 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 2):
What do you put the chances of this going through at? +90%? I don't know which airlines are going to have a plausible argument here. JetBlue can't because they are doing well enough. Delta can't, because they've angered enough communities already. Who else stands in the way?

I think this whole deal is a loser for consumers, WN is really only an LCC for the first 5 years in a given market, however airlines like FL and B6 help to keep WN honest, without FL/B6 WN is essentially a non-gouging legacy.

Delta will be fine, they will just have to change how they operate a little bit



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15604 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
Obviously, Boston stands to gain because Southwest immediately gains a whole bunch of gates & counter space they didn't have before!

I imagine that would be in Terminal C. But now that I've read that FL has only three gates, where will the new ones come from? CO/UA if they move to Terminal A or B? Those are supposed to go to B6.



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User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15602 times:

BDL will be interesting. Delta and Southwest are the number one and number two carriers here, so I'm pretty sure Delta will defend its Atlanta market should Southwest start service with possibly an increase of seats??? This should be interesting. A BDL to PBI nonstop would be nice though.  

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15548 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):
I imagine that would be in Terminal C. But now that I've read that FL has only three gates, where will the new ones come from? CO/UA if they move to Terminal A or B? Those are supposed to go to B6.

I may have found my answer in the Boston Herald, Terminal E!

http://news.bostonherald.com/busines...ran_deal/srvc=home&position=recent

WN was supposed to expand to five gates there, but with 44 flights between them (this number will shrink since they both fly BOS-BWI) it may be tough to grow beyond the current destinations they serve from here. B6 may have to up BOS-BWI frequencies.

And speaking of B6, I think they might just have three more gates in Terminal C.



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User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 611 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15543 times:

PWM stands to benefit hugely from this. The rumors were that WN would get all 3 of the new gates at PWM once the terminal was done, management's been courting Southwest for a while now.

I could definitely see 3x MDW. UA's got the only Chicago service, so WN would be wise to enter that market, it could be quite competitive.

PWM's had 3x BWI flights or more for a while now on FL, and 2x weekly MCO service. That could be daily to compete with B6.

I'd love to see TPA/LAS/DAL for PWM, but that's unlikely.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15540 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
WN was supposed to expand to five gates there, but with 44 flights between them (this number will shrink since they both fly BOS-BWI) it may be tough to grow beyond the current destinations they serve from here

yea I think Terminal E is a given.... Subtract 9 BWI, 2 PHF 2 MKE 1 CAK (-14) then add in 6-8 florida flights, they will probably be just south of 40x but they will be constrained in the future for sure.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
B6 may have to up BOS-BWI frequencies.

Not really because they are gaining DCA which is even better

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
And speaking of B6, I think they might just have three more gates in Terminal C.

They might be able to use that to help make room for UA/CO in C



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15494 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
yea I think Terminal E is a given.... Subtract 9 BWI, 2 PHF 2 MKE 1 CAK (-14) then add in 6-8 florida flights, they will probably be just south of 40x but they will be constrained in the future for sure.

Why would they get rid of BOS-PHF/MKE/CAK? Those routes make money. I don't see why WN should drop them even if they are close to ORF/MDW/CLE respectively.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
Not really because they are gaining DCA which is even better

I think it depends on how much of the 3700 daily pax are going to the Baltimore area and how many are going to the Washington area.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
They might be able to use that to help make room for UA/CO in C

One solution to the problem of getting B6 more gates proposed here was to move FL. But now it appears that B6 will still not be able to get any new gates unless Massport is able to fit CO/UA into Terminal A or B.

There has to be a better solution than making a huge terminal swap.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15484 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
Why would they get rid of BOS-PHF/MKE/CAK? Those routes make money. I don't see why WN should drop them even if they are close to ORF/MDW/CLE respectively

They make money at FL's lower CASM... PHF is probably on the chopping block as it is. CAK will have a vastly different role in a WN network than a FL network. I expect CAK-BOS/LGA will be replaced by CAK-BWI Similar for MKE... WN isnt going to run an MKE up like FL alongside MDW.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
One solution to the problem of getting B6 more gates proposed here was to move FL. But now it appears that B6 will still not be able to get any new gates unless Massport is able to fit CO/UA into Terminal A or B.

Well UA/CO can fit in the UA wing, though I think a couple of those gates were supposed to go to B6... instead now B6 can take the FL gates and UA/CO can fit in C-North. I think that will get WN UA and B6 the gates they need.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15484 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
MHT - worst case scenario is even, chance for a slight gain

It seems like MHT is dead in the water these days. Too close to Boston?



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15484 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
It seems like MHT is dead in the water these days. Too close to Boston?

That statement means that MHT has nothing to lose, just like PVD, there is no Air Tran, so this merger only creates new possibilities. The only difference is that PVD is more likely to get ATL service on WN. Im hoping PVD will be able to pick up 2x ATL.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15479 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
That statement means that MHT has nothing to lose, just like PVD, there is no Air Tran, so this merger only creates new possibilities. The only difference is that PVD is more likely to get ATL service on WN. Im hoping PVD will be able to pick up 2x ATL.

The point i was trying to make with my question is just that, PVD might gain something. MHT no so much. What would be the reason? I understand the economy part. Is MHT a bridesmaid waiting to be a bride, and will the bride be old and gray before any growth?



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15471 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 13):
The point i was trying to make with my question is just that, PVD might gain something. MHT no so much. What would be the reason? I understand the economy part. Is MHT a bridesmaid waiting to be a bride, and will the bride be old and gray before any growth?

While PVD often gets compared to MHT, they are really two different types of markets. MHT does not have the business base that PVD does, (CVS, Textron, Gtech, Citizens, Fidelity, Amica, FM Global etc) MSA wise PVD is listed at about 4x larger, but thats also because there are some areas close to MHT that are included in BOS's (Lowell and Lawrence).



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15464 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
While PVD often gets compared to MHT, they are really two different types of markets. MHT does not have the business base that PVD does, (CVS, Textron, Gtech, Citizens, Fidelity, Amica, FM Global etc) MSA wise PVD is listed at about 4x larger, but thats also because there are some areas close to MHT that are included in BOS's (Lowell and Lawrence).

In addition, a large part of MHT's catchment area - the Merrimack Valley in Massachusetts - can get to BOS as quick as MHT. Having lived in North Andover for years, it was a 35 minute drive to MHT, and a 40 minute drive to BOS. Working in Andover, it was a 25-30 minute drive in no traffic to BOS; about the same to MHT.

With PVD, there is a large base of people south of PVD, where it's much more inconvenient to get to BOS. In addition, those around the 495 loop there can often get to PVD easier than BOS. Overall, it makes it slightly more advantageous for PVD over MHT - you can see that in carriers outside of Southwest too - United, Delta and US Airways all have much more significant operations out of PVD than they do MHT.

For the years of the MHT boom, BOS did not have that low of fares (you had a token AirTran presence to a couple of cities; JetBlue was a fraction of their current station, no Southwest, etc.), and getting to BOS was a hassle with the Big Dig. Well, the Big Dig is over now and getting to BOS is pretty easy, JetBlue is the largest airline at Boston and Southwest/AirTran both have 20+ daily flights, etc. It's been a major shift in the strategy, and truth is getting to BOS is easier from the North Shore than it is the South Shore.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15461 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):
For the years of the MHT boom, BOS did not have that low of fares (you had a token AirTran presence to a couple of cities; JetBlue was a fraction of their current station, no Southwest, etc.), and getting to BOS was a hassle with the Big Dig. Well, the Big Dig is over now and getting to BOS is pretty easy, JetBlue is the largest airline at Boston and Southwest/AirTran both have 20+ daily flights, etc. It's been a major shift in the strategy, and truth is getting to BOS is easier from the North Shore than it is the South Shore.

Trying not to get off topic. It seems to me that MHT is down with the economy and maybe time has passed it by for many years. The boom in NH seems to be over for the forseeable future. If this merger does not help, what will? Just curious, with the money spent up there.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 16):
Trying not to get off topic. It seems to me that MHT is down with the economy and maybe time has passed it by for many years. The boom in NH seems to be over for the forseeable future.

I dont think the economy is the best representation of MHT's traffic decline, I think its that their peak was more "artificial" due to the overlap in service areas with BOS. When the playing field became equal and BOS had notable LCC service the market right-sized, then the economy only dragged things down further.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15407 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
It seems like MHT is dead in the water these days. Too close to Boston?

It's dead in the water because the people running the place are dead in the water. Management there casually said that we wouldn't see 2005 traffic levels again until 2024. You say things like that when you want to go back to sleep and make sure no one bothers you.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15381 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
It's dead in the water because the people running the place are dead in the water. Management there casually said that we wouldn't see 2005 traffic levels again until 2024. You say things like that when you want to go back to sleep and make sure no one bothers you.

Actually sad but true, it will take that amount of time for many comprable airports as well. The problem is the peak traffic, had a lot of artificial demand from fares that were too low because oil was artifically low. Same reason why airlines wont use any data connected to Independence Air, the demand was artificial because it was not financially sustainable on the part of the airline.

Assuming 2010 is the low point, returning to peak traffic, growing at 3% annually, results in the following:

MHT - 2.5 million to 4.5 million = 20 years (2030)
PVD 3.9 million to 5.7 million = 13 years (2023)
BDL 5.3 million to 7.4 million = 11 years (2021)

Some airports in the US will likely never see peak levels in the 50 year timeframe



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

Well, I think (maybe with a few exceptions) that airport managers are nothing more than glorified custodians. They have keys that open up doors and fancy radios to talk with each other. But airport managers have very little sway over airlines and their decisions. In the 1980s, Fred Testa actually DID things to attract airlines and flights. We talk about this in our book on the history of Manchester Airport.

The folks in charge at MHT are tremendously disappointing, I have to say. Is that an unfair characterization? Who's to say? They shield themselves from the public while paying themselves with public tax dollars. That would anger anyone. At least show some effort at protecting flights and routes. It just seems as though they just let stuff happen. Obviously that means lower operating revenues, which means worse bond ratings.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15273 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
It's dead in the water because the people running the place are dead in the water. Management there casually said that we wouldn't see 2005 traffic levels again until 2024. You say things like that when you want to go back to sleep and make sure no one bothers you.

That is what surprises me, there seems to be a glimmer of hope elsewhere in New England, but not at MHT. Not very optimistic are they?



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15267 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
MHT - 2.5 million to 4.5 million = 20 years (2030)
PVD 3.9 million to 5.7 million = 13 years (2023)
BDL 5.3 million to 7.4 million = 11 years (2021)

Wow, talk about a long recovery.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15248 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
Wow, talk about a long recovery.

You missed the point earlier... those numbers were artificially high, the fares were at levels that were so low that they could not be sustained and with low prices, demand was artificially high. So airports are below where they should be, but to compare them against existing peak #s is unrealistic.



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User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 611 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

I guess someone at PWM has a severe peanut allergy reaction while a flight was loading. Everyone's okay, but paramedics were rushed to the aircraft.

25 WarRI1 : In other words the balloon broke, as it has for so many other things.
26 tharanga : I wonder what set it off?
27 RL757PVD : Yea, I guess you could say there was an airline "bubble" that burst Independence Air, Skybus, ATA, , Transmeridian, Southeast, Pan Am (III), Chapter
28 Post contains links AirFrance744 : http://www.patriotledger.com/busines...ring-some-changes-to-Logan-Airport According to the article, UA/CO are either going to be in A or B, not C. The
29 ChrisNH : Not with the present regime in place, no. These folks are the most closeted folks around. Living off public tax dollars and knowing what people think
30 BOStonsox : That's what Massport wants. Will they get it? Hard to say. If they do get it, and if FL/WN do merge and move to Terminal E, B6 will have the whole te
31 RL757PVD : That Article has a date of May 4 2010, so it isnt exactly current.
32 WarRI1 : I understand the problem, the public sector folks do not seem to care these days. It is the same here. The money flows one way or another. I can see
33 ChrisNH : Rail is nowhere at MHT. The only time the subject is brought up is when the 'Lords of the Rail' (that's what I call them) get wind of 'Government Doll
34 WarRI1 : I agree, do not wait. The new high speed route from NY to Boston, will take about 30 years. The cost is beyond belief, about 117 billion if I remembe
35 BOStonsox : I just saw the route map. Hartford would make a logical stop, but the route then goes from there to...WOONSOCKET? What the hell is in Woonsocket? I i
36 RL757PVD : There are two reports on amtraks website that are good reading, the first is this new high speed rail report, the 2nd is the northeast corridor maste
37 ChrisNH : You can take these so-called 'planned' track routes and plot them on a map and you'd see that they are crafted solely based on political districts. Ra
38 rl757pvd : I'll believe that, I bet the Woonsocket (my former hometown) is because they needed Rhode Island onboard, whereas a Worcester stop would probably res
39 drew13btv : The weather these past few days in BTV has caused a few issues considering the glideslope for 33 is unavailable. I know there was construction on 15/3
40 airbazar : I'm guessing land aquisition costs have a lot to do with it too. A track along coastal CT/RI or further north towards Worcester would have prohibitiv
41 BOStonsox : OK, I read them. They're very informative. Thank you. That's an argument I've seen elsewhere. But even if they really were going to Woonsocket, they
42 B595 : I can't answer your question, but I'll just add that for many years there was no ILS approach to 33, only a VOR (or perhaps a VOR-DME) approach. IIRC
43 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : AirTran was waiting here for a gate I presume, on the taxiway directly behind Gate 2C. Made for an interesting pushback and a unique photo opportunit
44 WarRI1 : I find your photos enjoyable. keep up the good work.
45 BOStonsox : I was at my parents' house in Walpole, MA today and at 2pm a BA plane flew eastward overhead very close, just below the cloud level. While it's not un
46 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Thanks! I love hearing comments on my pictures! I just wish I had a higher quality camera to take ANet worthy shots! I live in Wenham, on the North S
47 Post contains images airbazar : It's always impressive then the FedEx A300 doing the MHT-BOS leg passes over my house at such low altitude. i may have even seen an MD-11 once
48 Post contains links rob2507 : Someone on archboston.org found this Flickr ablum. It's a great look at the Neptune St. neighborhood next to Logan's 15R before it all came down. http
49 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : I love the Q400...
50 WarRI1 : Good picture, you are keeping this thread alive. Not much going on in New England it seems. Maybe Obama coming to Mass. and R.I. will generate someth
51 dvincent : Strange and kind of sad. These are really powerful photographs. There is only one house left in that neighborhood, and it's on Frankfort street. Surr
52 Post contains links and images PWM2TXLHopper : Not much going on in this thread this week, but just thought I'd mentioned that BGR got a unique visitor late last week. The enormous Antonov-225 stop
53 PWMRamper : It was sad to see BNAS close down. I loved being out on the ramp at PWM and seeing the Orions come in for touch and gos. =( I would've LOVED to see th
54 Post contains images PWM2TXLHopper : I use to work as a contract ramper for Delta at PWM about ten years ago. Back then, while it didn't happen all the time, it wasn't completely out of
55 PWMRamper : Northeast JUST does fueling and GA now. Don't recall who does Delta Ground Ops, but it was Comair last year. Nice stacking job! I hate those split ba
56 N801NW : Delta is still Comair n/k/a Regional Elite Handling Services. It was mainline above wing until September 2006. PWMRamper, will you be working for UX o
57 PWMRamper : I'm not sure. I will for sure be over the summer. I miss the job terribly, and would gladly go back and work for a month...but I have to reclear back
58 ChrisNH : Yes! I noticed that American 121 (Paris-JFK 757) stopped at Bangor four times since the start of October.
59 PWM2TXLHopper : Thank God for that! The work was o.k., but the actual company sucked to work for! 12 hour days for just above minimum wage, with no benefits, and no
60 ChrisNH : The Boston Herald had a story today titled, 'RI’s Green Airport to get rail link.' The story left the implication that this 'incredible bit of great
61 rl757pvd : First off as mentioned probably about 1,000 times in these threads, 90% of the structure is actually a consolidated rental car facility and much of t
62 ChrisNH : Exactly my point. So this is 'News' that isn't news. But coming so close to an election I can see why it would be dressed up to look like 'News.'
63 rl757pvd : Well they have to make it news because all of the NIMBY's and critics of the project keep saying it will never happen. I was under the impression tha
64 WarRI1 : According to the Journal, trains will stop at the airport 6 times a day. I would assume six coming, six going. I think the Journal should have said th
65 Post contains images WarRI1 : I meant to say 3 coming, 3 going. Well, anyway they are supposed to stop in Warwick, unless PVD has taken over the city by then. I hope they do not s
66 Post contains images airbazar : It's the Herald. Does it have to be news?
67 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Piedmont Dash 8-100. This plane's tail number is N805EX, which, the first time I looked at it, looked much like SEX.
68 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://bizblog.projo.com/2010/10/warwick-council.html It took awhile, and I almost missed it. Here is the article in Journal about Warwick City Counci
69 rl757pvd : Duh... they can approve something like that 2 weeks before an election. Warwick pretty much knows it going to happen, its just a matter of compromisi
70 WarRI1 : Duh, You said that when the Journal had an article about the airport, it would be not as biased as the Beacon article, it is almost a mirror image, s
71 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://warwickonline.com/view/full_s...fields?instance=home_news_2nd_left The latest article in that biased Warwick Beacon. Take notice that Dillon wa
72 Post contains links and images MD-90 : Went to the New England Air Museum last Friday and took a few pictures. Was dismayed to see all of the "no parking" signs along Perimeter Road (which
73 ChrisNH : The piece starts this way: "In order to draw nonstop flights to the West Coast, more airlines and more revenue, the airport needs to expand." This is
74 rl757pvd : That agreement is actually in the cities best interest as well. What it does it clearly spells out what RIAC will and will not do and what they will
75 WarRI1 : A realistic view in my opinion, throw the money at it, does not mean they will come. You folks have found that out at MHT. The old saying, "Pie in th
76 WarRI1 : That agreement is one sided, the classic Carrot and the stick approach, do it my way, or the highway. Time will tell as usual. Why would we sign it,
77 rl757pvd : No, its because Rhode Island consistently lags New England. The only way to change that is by being compettive. 1) Have an airport that does not rest
78 airbazar : On the flip side, don't throw any at all and it pretty much guarantees that they'll never ever come.
79 pvd757 : I couldn't agree more. Doing nothing guarantees getting nothing.
80 WarRI1 : I think the amount spent so far is substantial. I think it is a fine airport as is. I understand the safety issues, which came into play after the st
81 ChrisNH : I think one of the ways for MHT and/or PVD to 'reclaim' some lost traffic is for the yields at BOS to get depressed to the point where MHT and PVD sta
82 rl757pvd : Thats already starting to happen, just look at the about-face Delta has done at PVD, this trend should continue By the time the merger closes I belie
83 WarRI1 : it was certainly not done voluntarily by the rental car companies, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the Intermodal. It was done by gov
84 ChrisNH : The Southwest-AirTran merger is expected to close in the first half of 2011, but the airlines have said that completely merging operations could take
85 rl757pvd : At first this was not true, but they are excited now and I have heard both Hertz and Avis pulled out all the stops and spared no expense in outfittin
86 Post contains links airbazar : That's an excellent point and in fact the Boston Globe had an article just a couple of days ago reporting on the fact that BOS has the cheapest fares
87 rl757pvd : October last year: PVD-ATL 3x CR9 PVD-MSP 1x CR9 October this year PVD-ATL 3x MD88 1x CR9 PVD-MSP 1x CR9 1x CR7 I am hoping that once the CO/UA merge
88 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : So I'm in Wenham for school, and frequently see planes on approach to Boston. If I had a better camera, I'd be able to get better shots, but here's a
89 BOStonsox : On another thread someone said that a friend who had some inside knowledge confirmed that CO/UA has confirmed that they will be moving to Terminal B.
90 WarRI1 : I think you meant, at first this WAS true. I know that they have made what looks like a first-class operation now. They have signed on to the program
91 WarRI1 : I just watched Air Force one land at PVD. It is quite a sight, as usual. I could not have had a better vantage point. It was a fifty fifty shot, as to
92 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : USAirways' Gate 8 at PWM, probably the most varied gate there is at PWM. I've seen 200's, 700's, 900's, E170's, E190's, A319's, and A321's there.
93 Post contains links PWMRamper : http://www.pressherald.com/news/bang...flights-washington-dc-chicago.html United to re-enter BGR possibly? Very interesting. From personal experience,
94 Post contains links and images PWM2TXLHopper : And I've seen US Airways 737-200's/-300's/400's, DC-9-30's, Foker 100's, and MD-80's, there not too too long ago. I kind of think it's a waste of mon
95 PWMRamper : I don't know numbers, obviously, but I can tell you during the summer, on weekends, we have a late, ~1900ish ORD flight. It is always overbooked, and
96 PWM2TXLHopper : Surely you mean DEN is 4th most popular out of PWM for UA, but not out of all airlines? I'd find that hard to believe if you meant out of all connect
97 PWMRamper : According to PWM officials DEN is #4. Air Wisconsin.
98 PWM2TXLHopper : Question to PWMRamper... Does UA/Air Wisconsin handle any U.S. mail on the RJ's out of PWM to ORD or IAD? If not, do you know if any of the other airl
99 PWMRamper : No we don't. We hardly ever even get SPD's.
100 PWM2TXLHopper : When I was there, United and Delta both shipped a bit of air cargo and mail on the mainline planes. TWA, too, for the short time they were there. The
101 Post contains images KBOS : I saw it from my front porch in Cranston, I didn't have time to cross the street to miss the wires. I love spotting from home! Anybody else get some
102 ChrisNH : A FedEx 757 spent a couple days here at Manchester. It flew in from Memphis Thursday and today, Friday, did a round-trip Manchester-Bangor-Manchester.
103 B595 : Extending that thought, how many of the UPS aircraft types (721, DC-8, A306, 757, 763, MD11, 747) have visited MHT over the years?
104 ChrisNH : Aside from the 747 and the MD-11, I think you got them all!
105 WarRI1 : I grabbed my binoculars, forgot my camera. It was so close to me, the camera would have been a better choice.
106 B595 : I'm a little surprised MHT hasn't seen the UPS MD-11 - it's used on a lot of domestic routes, even to some of the smaller metro areas like MKE, RDU,
107 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Two pictures this week. Cabin and cockpit shots of a United Express GoJet CRJ-700.
108 dwcontroller : Few interesting DL MHT notes. The A319/320 is gone now, replaced back to a DC9-50. The late afternoon turn is regularly a DC9-40, still interesting to
109 rl757pvd : Todays update of the DL timetable shows a 2nd ATL starting in may, both as MD88s I wonder if this is not complete yet and that it would be 2x CR9 bas
110 dwcontroller : This was also in this Septembers schedule back in June, then pushed back to February and now may...ill believe it when i see it at gate 3 or 4. If i
111 NBGSkyGod : There have been some consistent rumors about FedEx coming to LEB in the near future. They are building a new distribution center at the bottom of the
112 ChrisNH : I wouldn't discount the probability that FedEx demanded all sorts of 'upgrades' (approach radar, lighting, CAT III, etc.) to make it all work. Here a
113 WarRI1 : I had good timeing today, I was out working in my yard when a Delta 767 came in. I assume it was for the Patriots. It came in from the South which giv
114 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Gate 2A and Gate 3 after a quick rainstorm. Slight rainbow is visible. I may be looking to work at BOS next semester. Ideally for UA, as I wouldn't ne
115 Post contains links BOStonsox : So this might be a good read: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/id...es/2010/10/31/aerotropolis/?page=5 This would be cool to see, but where could som
116 airbazar : Sorry, I don't think this guy has a clue. To tie the loss of high tech jobs and manufacturing to the lack of a larger airport is just ridiculous, esp
117 ChrisNH : That was a great read; thanks for linking to it. On the surface it's easy to be a Monday-Morning QB, but just because the recipe was right at Dulles i
118 PWMRamper : I was trying to think about how PWM will look once the terminal's done, and when UA/CO and FL/WN mergers go through. Initial rumors were Southwest wou
119 B595 : PSM kind of already fits the bill. It's a huge, underutilized airport only 57 mi from Boston along a major four-lane highway...
120 Post contains links pvd757 : The MBTA has published the new TF Green (PVD) commuter rail service: http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/Do...dules/Commuter_Rail/Providence.pdf It is v
121 rl757pvd : There id also a 6 minute "across the platform" connection to the 8:12pm train to Boston From what i was told this is the very prelim commuter based s
122 Post contains images deltacto : Wow - that is awesome news! Thanks for posting! There is no service to TF Green on Saturdays or Sundays
123 airbazar : The MBTA's commuter rail service is severely reduced on weekends and holidays across all lines. It makes sense, it's not like traffic is bad on weeke
124 WarRI1 : Is there any information on fares to Green, or Warwick? I see where the commuter fare to Providence is $250 per month, or $7.50 per day in zone 8 from
125 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Picture of the week....
126 RKDFlier : Seems Cape Air will be taking over EAS flights BOS to AUG from Colgan starting Dec 1st. 4x daily in summer 3x daily winter I've been thinking that Col
127 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Picture of the week, Trans States Airlines ERJ-145 flying for United Express. I'm going to be working at PWM over Winter Break, SO EXCITED! I'll be su
128 Post contains links and images B595 : A new charter outfit, Dynamic Airways, has been helping with the Plattsburgh-Myrtle Beach run the past couple weeks. It's MD-88 was unveiled on Oct. 2
129 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Picture of the week. Mitsubishi MU-2 (I think...not sure) on Taxiway Charlie.[Edited 2010-11-28 20:29:28]
130 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://warwickonline.com/view/full_s...raffic?instance=home_news_2nd_left This from RIAC, does anyone think this will work to lure more airlines to Pr
131 bonusonus : What equipment would they be using there? I flew out of there in a 172 last month. The runways aren't very long. Probably the largest a/c that LEB se
132 PWM2TXLHopper : The longest runway is 5,500 feet by 100' wide/ Technically a 727 could operate out of there, but I doubt FX would use that much aircraft for such a s
133 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Two more weeks before I'll be getting fresh pictures! Netjets Dassault Falcon 2000.
134 ScottB : Yes, Zone 9 has been unretired for T.F. Green airport. No clue if Wickford Junction would be in the same zone or if a Zone 10 would be created. Very
135 NBGSkyGod : The largest we usually see are G550s, Globals, and Legacys. Although a few years ago we did get a BBJ in there. This is true, I doubt the 727 will ev
136 ChrisNH : Freight carriers like FedEx and UPS want the operational specs of the airports they fly to to be perfect. CAT III probably for any field that has thei
137 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Last image of the week before I'm back to work. Pushing back N163GJ from Gate 2C.
138 Post contains links airportugal310 : Interesting... Oct. delays at T.F. Green are region’s worst http://www.projo.com/news/content/GR..._12-14-10_JHLF5CO_v59.323464a.html We are not tal
139 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Blue Angel at PWM! Apparently meeting to talk about next year's Air Show...I'd LOVE to see the Blue Angels at PWM!
140 WarRI1 : [quote=PWMRamper,reply=139]Apparently meeting to talk about next year's Air Show...I'd LOVE to see the Blue Angels at PWM![/quote I have watched them
141 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://www.projo.com/opinion/contrib...6_12-16-10_D4LDH4C_v7.375beae.html An interesting article.
142 ChrisNH : That is a good article, and it speaks to how the 'good intentions' of government-type projects run head-long into reality. 'We meant well' is what you
143 WarRI1 : I agree. I thought I would put that on without my personal opinion. I get pounded when I mention PVD. I cannot wait to hear the ridership numbers fro
144 WarRI1 : They did that at the Intermodal here. They froze their asses off doing the backslapping, stood in the garage, no protection from the cold and wind. H
145 WarRI1 : [quote=WarRI1,reply=144]They did that at the Intermodal here. They froze their asses off doing the backslapping, stood in the garage, no protection fr
146 rl757pvd : Have you been in the facility yet? There are plenty of places to get away from the weather/wind in the platform area. Also for MBTA stations, the onl
147 airbazar : I respectfulyl disagree. Infrastructure projects of this nature will always have a need. In this case, the airport may have been the selling point bu
148 Post contains images rl757pvd : Actually, the Amtrak Infrastructure plan identifies a 4th track, a station and an east side platform. There is a plot of vacant land that has been cl
149 pvd757 : From what I understand, there should be an opportunity to expand the current schedule in Spring/Summer of 2011 (when the track work between Providence
150 lat41 : Little surprise Mr Selwyn writes from Boston to pooh pooh the Interlink, a concept proven to work in so many European cities and closer to home at New
151 WarRI1 : I will be going there next week, it is time to see for myself. I will take some pictures. They are old and outdated, and did not cost 267 million. Wh
152 WarRI1 : 267 million, plus financing, let us not forget that little number, paid for by rental car charges, a long time to go, decades to say the least. Time
153 WarRI1 : I am not sure about that, I have been by there many times, I do not see the space. Angles and distance maybe hiding this, it is possible, although no
154 WarRI1 : It has the potential to be a White Elephant, no one is saying, or wishing it will be. I supported the original project when it was supposed to cost 2
155 pvd757 : The facility was designed to incorporate a 4th track, on the east side of the existing 3, for an Amtrak platform. There is a sizeable parcel, also ea
156 WarRI1 : Time will tell as usual, the pipe dreams are there, no doubt about it. I will check it out through a contact I have with Amtrak, you do you remember
157 WarRI1 : Scratch the part about the rail, are you guys playing games? I have to look up the profiles, meanwhile, forget the rail part, I know now, it was not
158 WarRI1 : In reply 36, it was RL757PVD, in reply 38, it had changed to rl757pvd, how come? We now have pvd757 and rl757pvd. What do we have the Bobbsie Twins?
159 Post contains images WarRI1 : I withdraw this statement in which I replied to pvd757 (lower case) thinking I was replying to formerly (upper case) RL757PVD, who is now rl757pvd (l
160 rl757pvd : Theres nothing to check with your contact its publicly visible in a report on Amtrak's website! Go read their northeast corridor infrastructure maste
161 WarRI1 : ] I had already read that, nothing detailed thaI I could find so far.
162 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : I worked this morning!!! Grabbed a few pictures: ASQ 7080 GJS 7399
163 WarRI1 : Been on a few of those, good shots.
164 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://www.dot.ri.gov/documents/inte...ntrastate_Commuter_Rail_Report.pdf Look on page 44 Amtrak Forecast 2030 I do not see any Amtrak trains stopping
165 B595 : Most VT National Guard soldiers have returned from Afghanistan on various airline charters into BTV. Here's a tally of the charters that flew the sold
166 NBGSkyGod : Currently LEB is not an ideal set up for FedEx, however, I think for the feeders it is compatible, I know that they often use us as a divert field. W
167 Post contains images ChrisNH : I think two of those three Ryan 767s came into Manchester and then went up to Burlington from here. Here's one of them leaving MHT on its way to BTV
168 B595 : Thanks for the pic... man, I miss those clear-and-a-million New England winter days. I knew three acquaintances from flight school that went on to fl
169 Post contains links pvd757 : 1. That is not an Amtrak forecast. 2. That is a RIDOT Intrastate Commuter Rail forecast, not an Amtrak or intercity forecast. Being Commuter Rail and
170 WarRI1 : I did read that report. I thank you for the info. We will get back to this, of that I am sure, as I said earlier, we hope this works out, now that it
171 Post contains images WarRI1 : Yes, I have now been in there. I would like you to notice all the shelter for the weary traveler. I picked a good day, I froze my ass off, just takin
172 rl757pvd : Thats more than whats available at most commuter rail stations, the only stations with sheltered waiting areas are Providence and Rt 128 which have A
173 WarRI1 : I know that is true, but this is State of the Art, modern, up to date, 267 million. I have been in many stations, this is as bare bones as they come,
174 rl757pvd : for the LAST time it IS NOT a $267 million train station!!! 90% of the overall project (as you should have seen) is rental car counters/office and ga
175 WarRI1 : The Interlink, of which the commuter platform is an intregal part is listed as 267 million, period. They do not separate the two. One must remember t
176 rl757pvd : Thats the same as saying the new food court at the airport cost $60 million dollars (it was just one of the many components) I think its pretty obvio
177 WarRI1 : This project started as a commuter platform, they had 25 million in funds for it. We could have built and paid for what they have now as a commuter p
178 Post contains images WarRI1 : This is the commuter platform looking South. To the left is the side where Amtrak is to put a platform.
179 Post contains images WarRI1 : This is the only piece of open property that I can see near the garage. If you look at it, it already looks like it is integrated into the project. R
180 RonS : I recall 11 years ago when this was still in the early early planning stages i.e. pipe dream that it would have a skybridge to the Terminal building
181 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://www.projo.com/news/content/Pe..._02-08-09_65D7J7B_v23.3c91227.html If you will read down far enough, you will see where Mayor Donovan, not Chaf
182 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://bizblog.projo.com/2010/12/pas...enger-traff-6.html#comment-2704726 Passenger traffic down again according to Journal at Green. There is a comme
183 Post contains images WarRI1 :
184 rl757pvd : A 0.19% decrease means if one flight didnt cancel the #s probably would have been up! the past few years have had double digit losses so the fact tha
185 WarRI1 : What do they mean by traffic is off by 9.5 % from the comparable period last year. Is that overall numbers for the year? 2010 numbers dropped 9.5% fr
186 rl757pvd : That means the 11 months of 2010 vs the 11 months of 2009. the 9.5% total decrease now means that there were much larger decreases earlier in the yea
187 WarRI1 : I guess I am, or was confused about that. I thought that in the 11 months of 2009, 1000 passengers went through Green, and that in the 11 months of 2
188 ChrisNH : It really is a sad testimony that we're STILL talking about 'declines' in air traffic volume at our airports. I thought for sure we were done with tha
189 rl757pvd : Last year 95 of the top 100 airports posted declines in traffic... Im thinking this year that number will probably be somewhere between 35 and 50, sh
190 Post contains images WarRI1 : Merry Christmas, and let us hope for a more prosperous New Year.
191 Post contains links BOStonsox : So I read an article about B6's recent announcement that they will serve MYY from JFK and the chief of the Chamber of Commerce said that New York was
192 dwcontroller : Going to be an interesting day in New England tomorrow (dec 26th). In MHT over at United the 2pm IAD turn is already cancelled as well as all United f
193 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Decent day at PWM despite the weather. Tomorrow will be interesting... Picture of the week, a Colgan Air Q400 in new United Express colors...
194 Post contains images WarRI1 : Looking South on Commuter Platform. Only covered section, other than under parking garage.[Edited 2010-12-26 14:52:19]
195 ChrisNH : I don't know what the New England Patriots (DL 8870) did tonight, because their 757-300 never got into BUF from Detroit..it went to Rochester instead.
196 rob2507 : Chris, they drove to Rochester and spent the night there. World Jr. Hockey Championships in Buffalo took up all the available hotel rooms.
197 rl757pvd : There is seperate thread about it but Delta will start PVD-DCA in April with 3x CRJs... BOS-DCA is going from 12x to 8x so I think we know where the f
198 dvincent : Are they doing this with E190s? 5500 feet is probably going to be the smallest runway B6 operates on. Nantucket is 6300 feet.
199 Post contains images ChrisNH : Delta 2860...a MD-88...tried to complete its route from Atlanta to Portland, Maine but never reached PWM. After circling a bit late this afternoon, th
200 dwcontroller : I worked this flight in MHT today. Great crew on board, very helpful. This was the first ATL arrival we had since the 25th. You wouldn't believe how
201 ChrisNH : Did they make all the passengers sit on the plane, or did they allow them into the terminal to stretch their legs and grab some food? Goodness knows
202 dwcontroller : Yea everyone was given to the chance to deplane as long as they kept there boarding pass from ATL and had a photo ID on them still. If not then they
203 Post contains images WarRI1 :
204 Post contains images WarRI1 :
205 WarRI1 : That is an official one also, direct from the big guys.
206 ChrisNH : Seems to me that a sweatshirt touting the 'Intermodal' nature of the place ought to have a picture of an 'airliner' in addition to just a train, no?
207 Post contains images ChrisNH : Happy New Year to all my Airliners.net friends...in New England and beyond!
208 keagkid101 : Here at PVD, I'd like to see at least 2x to ATL, but if Southwest wants to be competitive with DL, then we could see 3x. I also hope to see PBI. RSW s
209 WarRI1 : I agree, I was disappointed myself in the finished product. No Date, no real tie to the airport on the shirt. I have others from projects I worked on
210 WarRI1 : The same to you, may it be a good one for all.
211 lat41 : The "demand" is that you could connect to a whole host of AA international destinations via JFK. Shorts 330s 360s Saabs 340s, then ATRs were loaded t
212 dvincent : There was a bonus A332 on ATL-BOS-ATL yesterday. Picking up snowstorm stranded passengers?
213 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Photo of the week...Jetblue Embraer E190 on final to Runway 11.
214 tharanga : It's been awhile since I've seen any discussion of WN/FL and CO/UA merger repercussions on the NE area airports. Do we know how BOS will get sorted ou
215 dwcontroller : FYI for the MHT spotters in the thread. Delta sends its last regular scheduled DC9 to MHT 1-3-11 at 11:30pm then it goes out at 9am 1-4-11. It could c
216 BOStonsox : Right after the WN/FL tie up was announced Massport said that they would be in Terminal E. As for CO/UA, I hope to see them end up in Terminal A or T
217 tharanga : Ok, so still no word on UA/CO.
218 BOStonsox : Nope, no word still as far as I know, however I do remember on another thread someone said they knew someone (who knew someone else? I can't recall)
219 tharanga : Indeed. If the fix were going to be easy, I'd imagine they'd have announced it by now. I suspect massport hasn't decided yet.
220 FURUREFA : I've heard from some pretty reliable sources that CO/UA will indeed me moving in to Terminal B (US). MQ is giving back a few gates, and the US and AA
221 BOStonsox : I wonder when we will hear it if it is true. I haven't heard anything about both sides of Terminal B being connected, though. If this is true, B6 wil
222 kearnet : Speaking of 9K, there's news from New Hampshire's other commercial airport LEB. Cape air recently started unique service to NYC. The actual flights th
223 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Anyone know anything about Swissport's BOS operation? I'm trying to get a job at Logan next semester. I shot an email to the station manager but haven
224 Post contains links dwcontroller : Nice photo, we had that ASA plane in MHT last night. Tail number ends in BR it only looks that way because they removed the logos prior to the merger
225 tharanga : That would add useful flexibility. Except for the US Shuttle and I guess the VX part, much of Terminal B could use some serious renovation. If CO/UA/
226 NBGSkyGod : We have had that service for almost a year now, from what I have heard, it started off slow, but has really picked up. I haven't taken the NY run yet
227 FURUREFA : The AA side was redone a couple of years ago and isn't too bad. The carpets in the MQ side and AA gate areas are absolutely DISGUSTING. They really n
228 Post contains links rl757pvd : Good article summarizing the recent adds by Delta at PVD http://www.pbn.com/Delta-expands-TF-...ndly-locations-adds-DC-route,54872 Lets hope this is j
229 ScottB : Adding FL's 16 daily departures to their 26 daily departures will fill most of the E1 gates. There will probably be some consolidation on BOS-BWI, an
230 Post contains images FURUREFA : I think that things would be VERY tight during the evening push. Although MQ has shrunken tremendously, you still have YYZ, LGA and JFK on that end.
231 737tanker : Right now WN has gate E1A, E1B, and E1C. They also have 1st option on gates E1D and E1E, so with 5 gates I don't see WN outgrowing their little patch
232 Post contains images WarRI1 : This is the skybridge at the Intermodal heading towards the terminal, you can see the first turn in the structure.
233 tharanga : Can you get widebodies into those E gates at the same time? I understand, but I can also imagine WN getting really aggressive with growth at BOS. At
234 BOSSAN : If United and Continental move to Terminal B, using some gates from each of US Airways and American Eagle, then several gates will free up in terminal
235 boslax : Manchester has finally reported positive monthly passenger growth. November 2010 enplaned traffic grew 0.3% from the prior year. Admittedly, its a ver
236 Post contains images WarRI1 :
237 Post contains images rl757pvd : Every picture you post has more people in it than I usually see in the sky bridges at BOS 3-5 people at any given time would imply that hundreds of p
238 WarRI1 : I must admit, the day I was there, it was fairly active, the rental facility and the skybridge. The station at that time was dead, no trains. I will
239 WarRI1 : I meant to ask, can you enlarge the photos that I have put on, I have been using the small option for the last couple.
240 rl757pvd : Thats the way its going to be until the schedule gets expanded later in the year You can click it for a full size, but I recommend a flickr.com accou
241 Post contains images PWM2TXLHopper : I always see your PWM photos up here. I went to try out a new camera the other day, so I thought I'd share a few, too. Nothing very interesting, just
242 WarRI1 : You do have to be a realist at times, it has always been about the methods used here. It would do no good to badmouth the facility now that it is bui
243 Post contains images WarRI1 : Another view from the Skybridge.
244 AirFrance744 : Does anyone have the latest info as to who is using which gates in A, B, and C, or where I can find that info?
245 dwcontroller : DL 753 en-route to MHT right now from DTW on a military charter, doing a quick turn then onto La Crosse, WI. Being worked by Wiggians unfortunately.
246 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Taken on Wednesday just as the storm started to get really bad. 3 inches and it had only been snowing 90 minutes or so. Tuesday marks the end of my w
247 Post contains images WarRI1 : Looking down from Skybridge.
248 Post contains images Revelation : Another fun day in New England: Be careful out there!
249 Post contains images WarRI1 : Looking South from the Skybridge towards main runway at PVD.
250 Post contains links rob2507 : Some great pictures of East Boston, especially the airport--including the control tower while still under construction, and the first visit of the Con
251 rl757pvd : Great link, thanks for sharing... had no idea the existing Terminal C is approaching 50 years old!
252 Post contains links and images B595 : Nice find. This picture is an absolute treasure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_...in/set-72157625868099990/lightbox/ A full house with Pan Am,
253 Post contains links rob2507 : I'm going to guess the ATR-42 belongs to Command Airways
254 B595 : I think you're spot-on. Never heard of them.
255 ChrisNH : If it is OK with everyone, I will start Thread #13 now that we are in the New Year!
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