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AA/BA/IB Announcement This Week  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14571 times:

American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia are expected to announce the first steps of their codeshare by week's end, with flights bookable as soon as this Friday. This will include codeshares and the ability to upgrade class of service between the carriers using each airline's respective miles.

The AA flight numbers now appears on all BA flights between the United States and London using AA61xx flight numbers for City/Heathrow and AA62xx for Gatwick. The codeshare flights have already been loaded into GDS, although they are not bookable. Intra-carrier award inventory and upgrade inventory is also already showing in reservation systems, although, again, zero'd out.

Information will appear on the soon-to-be-active website, http://www.aa.com/nowmore

A major network change announcement by AA involving long-haul flying is rumored to occur sometime around or with the third quarter earnings call. This will use some of the slots acquired from JetBlue, which will be used temporarily largely on some Florida capacity during the winter as a placeholder.

[Edited 2010-09-27 19:57:27]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7611 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14344 times:

Will there be any schedule adjustments (like spacing out AA and BA flights to LHR from JFK, ORD, LAX, DFW, and MIA)?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
Will there be any schedule adjustments (like spacing out AA and BA flights to LHR from JFK, ORD, LAX, DFW, and MIA)?

I am told that will not happen until October 2011.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14255 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A major network change announcement by AA involving long-haul flying is rumored to occur sometime around or with the third quarter earnings call. This will use some of the slots acquired from JetBlue, which will be used temporarily largely on some Florida capacity during the winter as a placeholder.

Too bad they can't get more slots. I have talked to a lot of passengers from Broward who were really excited about the FLL-JFK flights coming back.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14225 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A major network change announcement by AA involving long-haul flying is rumored to occur sometime around or with the third quarter earnings call.

When is the earnings call?



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14186 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
When is the earnings call?

2Q earnings call was on July 21, so look for them between October 18-22.

Texan



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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14123 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 5):
2Q earnings call was on July 21, so look for them between October 18-22.

I wonder if AA will actually have made a profit in the 3rd quarter. IIRC, they only lost a relatively small amount in Q2 and with Q3 being a very heavily travelled time of year, it would certainly be disappointing (although unfortunately not surprising) if they lost money. It would be great though if they finally announced a profit to go along with their announcement of new TATL routes.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14070 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 3):
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A major network change announcement by AA involving long-haul flying is rumored to occur sometime around or with the third quarter earnings call. This will use some of the slots acquired from JetBlue, which will be used temporarily largely on some Florida capacity during the winter as a placeholder.

Too bad they can't get more slots. I have talked to a lot of passengers from Broward who were really excited about the FLL-JFK flights coming back.
FLL-JFK flights starts in November. None of the four new routes added are planned to be discontinued.

[Edited 2010-09-27 21:49:10]


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User currently offlineJungersten From Sweden, joined Sep 2010, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

[quote=MAH4546,reply=0]A major network change announcement by AA involving long-haul flying is rumored to occur sometime around or with the third quarter earnings call. This will use some of the slots acquired from JetBlue, which will be used temporarily largely on some Florida capacity during the winter as a placeholder.

What are the chances that a return to ARN is in store for AA? I hear that AA wants to focus on expanding to destinations that are served by Skyteam and Star Alliance.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3479 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

"FLL-JFK flights starts in November. None of the four new routes added are planned to be discontinued."

I hope not . . . but slots have to come from somewhere so something will get trimmed or cut along the way.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11182 times:

AA better get its act together...the other Majors are taking giant leaps. AA is too conservative. I believe AA's obsession with cost-cutting and delays on settling agreements with its workgroups is shifting the focus from growth to downsizing. AA's management blames labor for everything, yet "imposed" labor concession in 2003 saved the carrier from bankruptcy; the only hefty earnings have been taken by Top Management as bonuses. AA needs new blood, new management with new ideas and thirst for real growth. AA is relying too much on alliances rather than growth on its own; anyway, they do not have enough planes to support major expansion.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11632 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10909 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 10):
AA's management blames labor for everything

And AA's labor blames management for everything.

As I've long said, AA's management is to blame for what has gone wrong, but so is labor. And AA's management deserves credit for what has gone right, just as does labor.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 10):
yet "imposed" labor concession in 2003 saved the carrier from bankruptcy

It was one of the things that saved the company. Once again - it's a bit comical how labor is quick to give management 100% of the blame for things that have gone wrong in the last seven years, but labor still claims 100% of the credit for the company not filing for bankruptcy. The truth is that both labor and management share credit and blame.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 10):
the only hefty earnings have been taken by Top Management as bonuses

"Earnings" are not cash flow. Cash flow is what companies live or die on.

The stock option compensation awarded to 1,000 AMR managers over the last seven years (again, bears repeating: under a deal that was explicitly approved in advance by the unions) was non-cash. The stock options given to management have not resulted in one dime of cash leaving AMR's bank account and going into managements' proverbial bank accounts. What labor wants - unrealistically whether want to admit it or not - is not non-cash, performance-based stock option compensation. They want cold hard cash.


User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10668 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
And AA's management deserves credit for what has gone right, just as does labor.

Why does labor deserve credit for what has gone right? What have they done to attribute to this fact?

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
The stock option compensation awarded to 1,000 AMR managers over the last seven years (again, bears repeating: under a deal that was explicitly approved in advance by the unions) was non-cash. The stock options given to management have not resulted in one dime of cash leaving AMR's bank account and going into managements' proverbial bank accounts. What labor wants - unrealistically whether want to admit it or not - is not non-cash, performance-based stock option compensation. They want cold hard cash.

Exactly. Well said.   


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11632 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 12):
Why does labor deserve credit for what has gone right? What have they done to attribute to this fact?

Labor agreed to billions in annual concessions in wages, work rules, etc.

Now, of course - granted - other airlines' unions/employees either agreed to or had forced upon them far more severe wage and work rule cuts than AMR's employees.

But, nonetheless, the concessions were substantial and AMR definitely would have filed for bankruptcy without them.


User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Labor agreed to billions in annual concessions in wages, work rules, etc.

Now, of course - granted - other airlines' unions/employees either agreed to or had forced upon them far more severe wage and work rule cuts than AMR's employees.

But, nonetheless, the concessions were substantial and AMR definitely would have filed for bankruptcy without them.

That's true, but the reason that the unions agreed to concession wasn't for the sake of the company. It was to save their own jobs. That's why I think that everytime you hear the unions saying over and over again how it was their sacrifices for the overall good of the company that saved the company, it's nonsense. They knew that if they didn't make the concessions, then the next step would be Chapter 11.

In my interpretation, examples of things "gone right" include, amongst others, having successfully retained JL in OW or having finally received approval for a JV with BA/IB or successfully impletenting checked bag fees that have significantly added to the company's bottom line. It's these kinds of "big" events that can positively shape a company's future. These are things that require creative thought, thorough analysis, and excellent decision making skills. Labor has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
"FLL-JFK flights starts in November. None of the four new routes added are planned to be discontinued."

I hope not . . . but slots have to come from somewhere so something will get trimmed or cut along the way.

Frequencies getting cut rather than whole routes?



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Websites have been updated. If you book a flight and it includes a flight on AA or IB (Codeshare for example), when you go to Online check in on BA.com for instance, it will link you to the other carriers OLCI system straight away. The same with the other carriers.

User currently offlinedfw11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 14):
In my interpretation, examples of things "gone right" include, amongst others, having successfully retained JL in OW or having finally received approval for a JV with BA/IB or successfully impletenting checked bag fees that have significantly added to the company's bottom line. It's these kinds of "big" events that can positively shape a company's future. These are things that require creative thought, thorough analysis, and excellent decision making skills. Labor has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

   Labor may be the backbone of the company, but it is management's direction that can clearly determine the present and future of the company. Although labor relations are key towards a successfull and efficiently ran entity, I don't think bad water will result in a profit, as previously seen in Q2. I just don't understand, why cant they just say what I say to my mom, "We aren't gettting anywhere argueing", and then we both turn to my dad so he can make the decision.
*I'm sure yall enjoyed my family's way of argueing haha but I'm 18 so yall can understand how frequently this happens.



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9199 times:

Quoting dfw11 (Reply 17):
   Labor may be the backbone of the company, but it is management's direction that can clearly determine the present and future of the company. Although labor relations are key towards a successfull and efficiently ran entity, I don't think bad water will result in a profit, as previously seen in Q2. I just don't understand, why cant they just say what I say to my mom, "We aren't gettting anywhere argueing", and then we both turn to my dad so he can make the decision.
*I'm sure yall enjoyed my family's way of argueing haha but I'm 18 so yall can understand how frequently this happens.

At the same time...

one key issue was that while labor/mgmt at AMR has always been... dicey... they were actually fairly unified post 9/11 and were actually working together to avoid Ch.11 and both sides new they had to work as a cohesive team for the sake of everyones jobs/livelihood....

The real falling out didn't occur until all the unions voted "FOR" the concession then within the next few days the stories started to break about the BOD awarding the normal Exec. compensation... and no, I'm not trying to get into the debate about it being just stock and not money etc. etc. etc... it was just the principle of the whole thing that really set the "house" on fire at AMR between Mgmt. and Labor.... esp. when the mantra prior to the vote was "Shared Sacrifice, Shared Gain"



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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 18):
The real falling out didn't occur until all the unions voted "FOR" the concession then within the next few days the stories started to break about the BOD awarding the normal Exec. compensation... and no, I'm not trying to get into the debate about it being just stock and not money etc. etc. etc... it was just the principle of the whole thing that really set the "house" on fire at AMR between Mgmt. and Labor.... esp. when the mantra prior to the vote was "Shared Sacrifice, Shared Gain"

You're right about that. But wasn't the management team that let this happen kicked out the door (in particular, the CEO)?


User currently offlineMorcegoA330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

BA signs AA and IB tie up:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11433094



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

And here it is:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCALDE68S07H20100929?rpc=44

Surely a more extensive PR should be out Wednesday morning.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 10):
AA better get its act together...the other Majors are taking giant leaps. AA is too conservative. I believe AA's obsession with cost-cutting and delays on settling agreements with its workgroups is shifting the focus from growth to downsizing. AA's management blames labor for everything, yet "imposed" labor concession in 2003 saved the carrier from bankruptcy; the only hefty earnings have been taken by Top Management as bonuses. AA needs new blood, new management with new ideas and thirst for real growth. AA is relying too much on alliances rather than growth on its own; anyway, they do not have enough planes to support major expansion.

First, while the concessions did save AA from Chapter 11, other carriers that went into Chapter 11 have even lower labor costs.

Second, you should expect AA to undertake some major initiatives, once it has labor agreements with the APA, the APFA, and the TWU.

Ask yourself this. If you don't know what your biggest cost for operations over the next few years, are you going to start spending money on capital expenditures?

Of course not. You get a handle on your costs, then set the capital spending. Once AA knows the cost of pilots flying planes, F/As working in the cabins, and ground crews and mechanics servicing and maintaining aircraft, then it can work on buying new planes, setting new routes, and other improvements to service.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3479 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

"Second, you should expect AA to undertake some major initiatives, once it has labor agreements with the APA, the APFA, and the TWU.

Ask yourself this. If you don't know what your biggest cost for operations over the next few years, are you going to start spending money on capital expenditures?

Of course not. You get a handle on your costs, then set the capital spending. Once AA knows the cost of pilots flying planes, F/As working in the cabins, and ground crews and mechanics servicing and maintaining aircraft, then it can work on buying new planes, setting new routes, and other improvements to service."


Honestly, we have been hearing this for years . . . the whole decade really. While I applaud AA for finally making JFK a "hub" and expanding Europe, the sad reality is the only thing that AA has done for the past decade is sit in a holding pattern and burn gas.

They have made themselves irrelevant on many fronts in the United States: the Caribbean, Florida beside MIA, the Northeast besides NYC. They watched Delta start a huge hub at JFK with access to all of Europe and are now playing catch up sans slots. They have an outdated regional model that is very expensive to run and very inefficient. They have no 90 or 100 seat aircraft . . . where the growth is!


AA has made themselves Sears in the 80s or Kmart in the 90s . . . living a decade behind the times.

Let's see them turn it around, a lot of us on here miss the AA that led the way.


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 19):
You're right about that. But wasn't the management team that let this happen kicked out the door (in particular, the CEO)?

Yes they were.. and one of the few times in the airline industry the BOD wasn't looking out for their own short sighted investments and looking to real company survival and longevity... any other airlines BOD would not have cared nearly as much about keeping the house from burning.. esp. since most of them would cash out through liquidation more than they did by keeping the company viable and the ONLY one left to never touch bankruptcy. An absolutely AMAZING feat and something all parties at AMR should be proud of!

That said... once the incident happened you couldn't just replace the top brass and not still have the house damaged... It was like taking bulldozer to the foundation of the house and then trying to repair it by putting on a new roof....

These issues are going to take a long time to resolve... unfortunately. That said, they are slowly moving back to having slightly more trust of one another... AA's pilots did vote after all to replace their supper militant union leaders with ones that were more realistic and positive/forward thinking.

Either way... what AMR and all the US carriers need is better top management that aren't Finance based but Operations based... that's when you have the BEST run airlines (core Ops guys as CEO's: Bethune, Kelleher, Trippe, Smith)... Finance guys at heart have a cost cutting mentality as oppose to an Operations guy that has a revenue increasing mentality... Both types are needed to run a successful company but the Finance guy should NEVER be the CEO.. the Ops guy should always have the top spot with the Finance guy stopping as CFO... just to keep the spending "under control"... it's when the Finance guys become CEO's that you see the "making a pizza so cheap no one will buy it..." take hold.....

(Operations CEO's still have serious finance knowledge btw, exp. Trippe worked on Wall Street... but they're just mentally hardwired different to an operations perspective as oppose to a finance guys book keeping perspective)



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25 MAH4546 : The BA* code has been uploaded on AA-operated flights. It will be in the 15xx number range. Also, AA will soon align its First/Business baggage policy
26 runway23 : Any idea when the Press Release will come ? The codeshares are loaded (albeit 0'd out) from Friday. I suppose today/tomorrow as an initial announceme
27 AABB777 : When will I (we) be able to call AA and book flights on BA-operated aircraft?
28 MAH4546 : I'm figuring today or tomorrow. The new AA baggage policy is effective October 1st and that's when the codeshares are loaded for (albeit still 0'd ou
29 Sketty222 : I havnt heard of any dates as yet but the revenue sharing needs to take place at least 3 months after ATI was agreed, so by this I would take it that
30 flyfree727 : Expect an announcement from AA Oct 6 for new international destination from ORD as a result of JV with BA/IB......... AA ORD[Edited 2010-09-30 23:13:4
31 MAH4546 : I've heard the same. If I were to take an educated guess, I think it might involve Birmingham, Glasgow, Berlin and/or Oslo (even though I've heard Os
32 Post contains links crosswinds21 : Here is some information that has just been released by AA regarding earning and redeeming miles on AA and BA: http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/jba-faqs
33 Post contains images crosswinds21 : Impossible. According to almost everyone here, AA is shrinking so much Chicago that it's on the verge of de-hubbing it.
34 AABB777 : Do we know when AAdvantage members can begin earning/burning miles on BA/IB?
35 LAXdude1023 : October 1.
36 elmothehobo : And nothing mentioned about Openskies. Bummer, I was a moment away from trying IAD-ORY around New Years.
37 bobnwa : And where is "here" that all those people are saying that AA is de-hubbing ORD? Haven't heared that anywhere I have been
38 ckfred : AA.com/nowmore now opens with information. However, I'm curious as to why, when you look to book a trip between ORD and LHR during the summer, it only
39 Post contains images moman : Got the email this morning, very pleased with this news. Now I'll finally get on the BA 747 for my LHR trip this month, with a return on AA 777. There
40 Post contains images crosswinds21 : I was joking. It's just that there seems to be so much talk here of AA pulling back everywhere except DFW and MIA, particularly on the TATL front. Ex
41 Sketty222 : So JB went live today at 1500 GMT. You can now book TA flights on BA/AA/IB and they will all have the codeshare flight numbers of the other 2 airlines
42 hjulicher : I thought they were going to announce a new flight ex-LHR across that Atlantic. Where is that press release?
43 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : October 6 should be the date.
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