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AA Was In Alliance Talks With US In 2008  
User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 17
Posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15708 times:

"American held talks with US Airways again after the United/Continental merger to lure its smaller rival into the Oneworld global alliance, people familiar with the matter said. Currently US Airways partners with United and Continental in the Star Alliance."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNN2815519320100928?rpc=44


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Could the UA/CO, FL/WN match up be the impetus for a full on merger with AA/US?

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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15679 times:

Quoting mcdu (Thread starter):
Could the UA/CO, FL/WN match up be the impetus for a full on merger with AA/US?

An AA/US merger would be a labor relations disaster, and both AA and US know this, hence the talk of an alliance. However, AA and US don't need to merge to benefit from eachother's strengths.

Jeremy


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15635 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
An AA/US merger would be a labor relations disaster, and both AA and US know this, hence the talk of an alliance. However, AA and US don't need to merge to benefit from eachother's strengths.

I completely agree with you. I would love to see US ditch Star Alliance and go to Oneworld, I think it's presence in Star stifles it's potential.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11432 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15599 times:

Not really surprising.

Many presumed that AA might want to get USAirways into oneworld and away from Star, and that it would not want - nor at this point really be able to - buy USAirways outright.

And, overall, I think oneworld has a very compelling case to tell USAirways, since Star really no longer needs them now with Continental, and AA/BA/Iberia could offer them a place in the Trans-Atlantic JV, which they are currently excluded from in Star.

But, alas, I think AA needs to this very long and hard strategically about how they approach this.

Getting USAirways away from Star would dramatically bolster the oneworld's presence in the Eastern U.S., particularly in the Northeast and north-south along the coast. Plus, getting access to USAirways' frequent flyer bases - particularly in New York and Washington - would be massive.

However, that being said, getting in bed with USAirways now for AA may - from a regulatory approval standpoint - dramatically complicate AA's ability down the road to possibly make some sort of a more substantive deal (up to and including, yes, a merger/acquisition) with JetBlue dramatically more difficult due to antitrust concerns in and out of New York. Plus, with Southwest now buying AirTran, the regulatory road block holding up the USAirways-Delta deal at LaGuardia may have gone away, which would likely diminish at least some value to AA for a USAirways deal, albeit, on the flip side, that perhaps could mitigate the JetBlue overlap issue.

Lots of moving parts.

Which is more strategically imperative for AA right now?

(Potentially) secure an alliance with USAirways and a bigger presence at LaGuardia/New York now (although with that LaGuardia presence potentially to go away soon)? Or, wait it out and hold out for a bigger deal with JetBlue that has the potential to actually give AA a hub scale at JFK that is closer to what United will have at Newark, and something that Delta couldn't ever have independently at JFK.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15399 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Which is more strategically imperative for AA right now?

(Potentially) secure an alliance with USAirways and a bigger presence at LaGuardia/New York now (although with that LaGuardia presence potentially to go away soon)? Or, wait it out and hold out for a bigger deal with JetBlue that has the potential to actually give AA a hub scale at JFK that is closer to what United will have at Newark, and something that Delta couldn't ever have independently at JFK.

I honestly think US will keep their presence at LGA, it is pretty valuable to them, I think, and AA knows this and wants to capitalize on this, at an airport that was once their home. I think AA could keep a healthy presence in NYC at LGA despite DL at JFK or UA at EWR.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15335 times:

As one poster put it the labor issues alone make this doubtful. USAir has done well with Star in the past with good feeds in Europe. B6 is far smaller than US and brings far less to the table except for probably even larger labor issues from a heavily unionized carrier workforce already highly suspicious of the B6 tie in already. Trying to make JFK a trans-atlantic hub under DL's nose is pretty desperate....DL will be far bigger impact on AA than the UA EWR/IAD...AA would have to teardown PHL and CLT with US to start making a dent a JFK a move that would send UA and DL planners to the moon with glee.

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15307 times:

Please AA...leave that great little airline name jetBlue alone. If B6 wants to merge....F9 and VX are there.

AA..go get US....put the unions in a room..tell them to work it out or you fold both airlines.   



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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15191 times:
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This would be huge for AA's East Coast frequent fliers who would have more direct access to Northeast markets without having to connect as they currently do through ORD/MIA/DFW and back track a bit (or just not fly AA at all). More non-stop flights out of DCA, LGA and BOS to smaller communities that AA currently does not provide access to (or convenient access) would benefit many AA FFs who reside on the East coast.

I wonder how US FFs would feel about an entry into oneworld?

I still feel an AA/B6 tie-up would be optimal for AA, but having US join OW certainly is not a bad thing.

Perhaps we wil eventually see AA buy B6 and operate it as a separate subsidiary (would that be possible? to enable B6 to keep their lower operating costs), with US remaining a stand-alone carrier, but part of OW.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15149 times:

AA pilots are narrowminded, arrogant and selfish!!! They have never allowed AE to fly bigger jets; SCOPE (EMB 170/195) and AA decided to pull out of Upstate NY markets for example; no jobs for AE, no jobs for AA. Now, AA relies on B6 for traffic to those areas. AA could have kept FLL flights to the Caribbean and perhaps some of SJU's routes (MCO/TPA/FLL/SDQ) if those flights were operated by AE on jets like the EMB 170/195. Even BQN-US flights like jetBlue and CO have operated with success for the past 5+yrs. If AE was allowed to fly bigger jets to markets where AA simply cannot operate profitabily that in turn would benefit mainline AA; more traffic, more growth, more flights. AA pilots rather have some of its members on furlough and AA shrink than share the wealth. They need a reality check otherwise AA will keep getting smaller and isolated...the next TWA????? :O

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15118 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
However, that being said, getting in bed with USAirways now for AA may - from a regulatory approval standpoint - dramatically complicate AA's ability down the road to possibly make some sort of a more substantive deal (up to and including, yes, a merger/acquisition) with JetBlue dramatically more difficult due to antitrust concerns in and out of New York.



I think an AA/B6 merger is going to eventually be in the cards.

Like FL in ATL, B6 is somewhat painted into a corner at JFK. AA and B6 will need to combine to compete with the new DL and UA in NYC.

Everyone says that AA could not operate the B6 schedule at AA's cost. Well I agree they could not, but a combined AA/B6 would have a huge NYC network and would not have to compete with each other.

A reinvented Airline with the AA network, AAdvantage Program and B6 service standards would be a force to be reckoned with.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15078 times:

I think a better sitaution would be for US/B6 to merge, then the combined carrier join oneworld alliance. I dont know if B6 would necessarily want the USAir West part of the operation, but the East would be very relevant and valuable. Yes, labor issues, blah blah. But a lot of problems can be solved when companies/employees are in a tight spot. USAir also has a very low operating cost, relative to all other legacy carriers and might fit well into jetblue's cost structure. Thoughts?

Get even crazier and throw USAir/Jetblue/Spirit/Alaska all together and see what happens.

[Edited 2010-09-28 13:31:07]


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14989 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
An AA/US merger would be a labor relations disaster, and both AA and US know this, hence the talk of an alliance. However, AA and US don't need to merge to benefit from eachother's strengths.

And Arpey and Parker would be the two CEO's to go along with a merger, knowing well that it would be a labor relations disaster.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
Please AA...leave that great little airline name jetBlue alone.

I hope so as well. AA and B6 are complete opposites in terms of corporate structure. B6 is very open minded and fun and AA is just conservative non innovative.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineRising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14987 times:

It's funny, anytime there is a change in the industry, such as a merger, a frenzy of reports come out about realignment. I think we need to use some critical thinking here.

Alliances are not a zero-sum proposition. Just because United and Continental are one, does not mean US Airways is going lose. In fact, it should be even more revenue positive for US Airways. The more carriers, the better the value proposition for your core accounts. History has shown that again and again. This whole One World non-sense about being the leading "Quality Alliance," basically slamming Star for its large number of members, explains why they are usually ranked third out of the three alliances.

Ask Continental, leaving an alliance is a very expensive, complex task. You only do it if you think it will be more beneficial to your bottom line, not because of mergers.



If it doesn't make sense, it's because it's not true.
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14987 times:

An alliance between AA and US and moving US to OneWorld would make sense. Merging AA and US would be ugly (as mentioned above).

User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

If this goes through, then OW will have gone from having 1 airline in the USA to to 2. If you potentially add B6 into the mix, then that number will be 3. Skyteam has recently gone from 3 to 1. Star Alliance is on its way from 2 to 1. Just an observation.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
Please AA...leave that great little airline name jetBlue alone. If B6 wants to merge....F9 and VX are there.

F9 and VX can't provide international, transoceanic connections, which is what would really benefit B6. Maybe when F9 starts flying into Buenos Aires, Tokyo, and London, then B6 could look at that option.


User currently offlinethomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14539 times:

All this historical talk of one airline not merging with another due to labor, fleet types, cabins, hubs, slots, etc... is all BS. The only thing that matters is the numbers. If the numbers work, money can be moved, the Boards/Execs agree and the shareholders are happy, nothing else matters. Before one could argue that the DOJ or Labor would stand in the way, but that no longer is the case with a bad economy. Anything is possible. The airlines know that the courts and all levels of governments can't stop this trend. WIth the current bad economy and unemployment at high levels, any presentation to Wall Street that a financially healthy airline will exist going forward thru a merger or acqusition will not be stopped. Labor will have to fall in line whether they like it or not. All that matters is $$$$$.

The threat of an uncertain financial future for these airlines or inability to compete will force this, whether true or not. Fear of failure and the subsequent negative fall out that will occur in the event of a failure is still very powerful right now with respect to large corporate institutions. This is especially true with US airlines and the direct impact they have on our national economy.


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14517 times:

Talks may have been held in the past, but I don't see anything in the article that suggests any deal is imminent.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14516 times:

No matter what it says, I don't believe it nor do I want to. US is still a big codeshare partner with UA, and they just applied for codeshares with several new *A members.

US just signed a long term contract with *A, did they not?



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14485 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
An AA/US merger would be a labor relations disaster, and both AA and US know this, hence the talk of an alliance. However, AA and US don't need to merge to benefit from eachother's strengths.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 11):
And Arpey and Parker would be the two CEO's to go along with a merger, knowing well that it would be a labor relations disaster

Both companies have officially grumpy pilots, in part, because the companies failed to engage in recent mergers to give pilots a solid position for the future. The two companies have labor stress already... big deal. No reason to fear the devil you know.

An alliance is probably a given, at this point. US is the only carrier with anything to offer AA as it seeks fortification against the 2 800 lb gorillas, UA and DL. The fact that a merger churns the labor issues can give everybody a positive reason to address it.


User currently offlineluvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14369 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
AA pilots are narrowminded, arrogant and selfish!!! They have never allowed AE to fly bigger jets; SCOPE (EMB 170/195)

No they are just protecting their jobs/livelyhood. If they allowed AE to fly those, they will simply hire AE pilots causing massive job loss of AA. Before all of the anti-union rhetoric starts, may I remind you that it exists in other industries too.

The AMA limits what a physicians assistant can do to protect MD's lively hood. Likewise for the ABA with regards to Paralegals.


User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14368 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
An AA/US merger would be a labor relations disaster

People always say this! It's a disaster now at all ends, so why not create more of the disaster, fix it all and move on? I know easier said than done. I agree, put them in one room and tell them to figure it out.

AA has a lot to gain with a US acquisition. They would have a very strong hold up and down the east coast, from Miami to Boston. Every major city would have a significant AA presence. Who says they can't buy US and codeshare with B6? Regulatory hurdles notwithstanding.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14370 times:

Quoting mcdu (Thread starter):
Could the UA/CO, FL/WN match up be the impetus for a full on merger with AA/US?
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 10):
I think a better sitaution would be for US/B6 to merge

Just how would the pilots at US/HP/B6 work out their seniority issues in a merger scenerio?


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14345 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
AA pilots are narrowminded, arrogant and selfish!!! They have never allowed AE to fly bigger jets;

Why not put those "Bigger RJ's" at the mainline? You say the pilots are selfish. How is wanting to fly the planes your company operates being selfish? You mention that CO and B6 fly BQN and those are mainline operations. Why can't AA make it work with mainline also? Isn't it really some poor management of the airline by AA that has led to the issues they have. I would venture to say that it is AA management has acted narrow minded, arrogant and selfish in this respect.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14257 times:

I don't think a merger would happen in the near future at all. However an alliance between the two could provide some nice benefits for both airlines. This alone would be helpful if their current plans (near future) are to remain stand alone airlines

User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14239 times:

AA and US "feels" right.
Not sure how B6 would fit into this.

LGA/DCA talks between DL/US would take a whole different twist.



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25 smoot4208 : Also to note, the article states "had" talks...not "are" talking
26 JAL : AA knows that sooner or later, they would need a merger partner but for now, an alliance with US Airways would help.
27 flyby519 : Date of hire for everyone, including US/HP pilots. West pilots get super seniority at the PHX base. East pilots get super seniority at LGA/DCA/PHL/CL
28 EMB170 : I can't see AA wanting to merge with either B6 or US. AA+US= labor nightmare, and AA+B6 eliminates all of the B6 feed because their route structure hi
29 Post contains images Flighty : As if they need it! So, they get to hold positions even though they have 1/4 the seniority of US pilots? That would be fishy indeed. But, you are dis
30 einsteinboricua : Numbers don't really matter here. What good is having 3 US airlines in OW if you don't offer enough flights to different destinations? Coverage is wh
31 Post contains images flyby519 : No they would be furloughed. They are at the bottom of the seniority list today and risk that fate even without a merger. Maybe the USAir wholly owne
32 OB1504 : The Embraer 190 and 195 are mainline jets, and both B6 and US fly them with mainline crews. A regional airline should not be flying a mainline aircra
33 PHLwok : As someone who spends a couple hundred grand on US, UA and now CO per year in part because the Star network in its current state much better suits my
34 kiwiandrew : I have just looked at the linked article and it says In 2008, American held merger talks with US Airways (LCC.N)and alliance talks with Continental j
35 quadagon : US doesn't have much to gain from this, other than some LGA, and DCA slots. Star Alliance is better for US biggest alliance so far with the most optio
36 crAAzy : I agree with some of the above posters that this does not appear to be "new" news. We already knew US and AA had some discussions back in the Spring w
37 TOMMY767 : One thing I think about a hypothetical US/AA merger is anti-trust issues with the hubs in NYC and PHL. They would technically have access to hubs at
38 Post contains images BD338 : I'd love it, I could use my pile of US Dividend miles on Qantas to Australia Be interesting to see if anything materializes out of this. Somewhat iro
39 quadagon : AA said about 1 and a half ago (no I do not have source, I just remember seeing an article) That PHL was more profitable than JFK. That was before Del
40 DTWHKG : I would say absolutely. AA's domestic network is abysmal, and AA keeps shrinking it. Their only real hub is ORD and DFW. JFK, MIA and LAX don't reall
41 TOMMY767 : Definitely a possibility. I don't know how profitable JFK is for AA these days. They just have that amazing terminal there so I'd assume in a merger
42 DesertFlyer : As a US frequent flyer, I would absolutely hate this. AA's network is nothing. I love flying US because I have lots of options for mileage redemption,
43 Seatback : With BA now in the mix, we can't judge JFK as we did a year ago. JFK will become much more profitable. Additionally, I don't see AA giving up much of
44 deltal1011man : In terms of? DL has 250ish slots at JFK B6 has 150-175ish slots at JFK AA has 100ish slots at JFK IIRC UA will have 300-400 flights from EWR.
45 usflyer msp : This title is misleading. No where does it say that US and AA are in alliance talks. It says US and AA HAD some talks during the UA/CO courtship but d
46 FlyASAGuy2005 : Why should they? First of all, I can't think of one US airline that even allows the 190 to be flown on the Connection level. Two, the 170 is the same
47 Oak522 : I'm a US person from the old days in PIT. Hands OFF my Star Status, AA, your perks are not as good. (And who wants to fly Iberia anyway?)
48 Post contains images PacificClipper : Agreed. Keeping their alliance with B6 and creating one with US is probably best for all the reasons mentioned (labor issues, merger costs, etc.). AA
49 tsugambler : Of course it is, that's what makes it interesting! Speculation is fun!
50 Post contains images USAirALB : I love my Star Gold card, and I'm not giving it up. I really don't see what US would gain in an AA-US alliance. The big winner is AA.
51 FlyASAGuy2005 : At this point in the industry, anything is possible and deserves discussing or "speculating". I've seen quite a few FL/WN tie up threads in my time w
52 flyingcat : The title of this thread is very misleading, AA was in alliance talks.
53 Post contains images VS11 : I am surprised that nobody mentioned it if but AA and US merge, at least the new name of the airline (whatever that is) would not be a source of confl
54 silentbob : To a point this is true, but a major labor problem would prevent the realization of the revenues that would make it worth the effort. According to th
55 etops1 : This thread si misleading and should be closed. AA is not in any Alliance talks with US . Nothing has been confirmed.
56 MAH4546 : Why on earth was the thread title changed to something that is entirely inaccurate? American Airlines and US Airways have recently held talks to bring
57 kiwiandrew : [Edited 2010-09-28 22:51:35]
58 MAH4546 : Then re-read the article, because there is a reference to something past that.
59 jfklganyc : "AA pilots are narrowminded, arrogant and selfish!!! They have never allowed AE to fly bigger jets" Hahaha. I laugh at this statement. Maybe because g
60 ckfred : What people seem to forget is that CLT as a oneworld hub would be a significant advantage to AA. Right now, AA can only get you into the southeast fro
61 sancho99504 : I think AMR needs to look at its current situation and make some moves that some may not like and that some will love. AA needs to allow AE to move i
62 ckfred : This is the problem, according to a friend of mine who is an AA pilot. Management seems intent on assigning the large Embrears (and it's pretty safe
63 jfk777 : AA would have to sell many assets to be going where TWA went. Selling its Latin American system would be first, then slots at LHR. AA is FAR from doi
64 sancho99504 : Both pilot groups can cooperate and Eagle pilots can refuse to fly the 90-115 seat aircraft since they will have a stake in the future growth because
65 flyby519 : AA has been pretty clear where they will focus. JFK, MIA, ORD, DFW, LAX. They wont be buying Anyone. They want slots in JFK, Jetblue has slots and can
66 USAirALB : What are the odds that US does join OW? (Non-biased, please)
67 flyby519 : I think damn good odds. AA has created a huge hole in their domestic network along the east coast, northeast, and Caribbean markets. US and B6 could
68 MAH4546 : I'd love you to explain how the largest U.S. airline to the Caribbean - by a wide margin at that - has a huge whole in its Caribbean network. That's
69 USAirALB : I second that. I need a second opinion.
70 sancho99504 : I want to step out and say that he is saying that as AA is slowly pulling down their SJU hub?
71 chepos : UAirALB- Scott Kirby has stated he is very happy with Star, that however means nothing. I'm sure the high ups at US Airways are looking at all of thei
72 USAirALB : Would it be too late, and if they were to offer US a spot on the JV(let us hope it never happens), could STAR quickly come and offer a spot on theres
73 MAH4546 : But that doesn't make AA's Caribbean network a whole. No other U.S. carrier comes close to AA's size and scope. Star has made it pretty clear by its
74 USAirALB : US does have a lot of seasonal destinations in Europe. However, US still flies too more year-round destinations in Europe than AA does. (12 vs. 9) Tr
75 MiAAmi : Just to be clear. AA's policy is to give the whole can.
76 MAH4546 : AA's policy is to give the entire can. You don't even ask for the whole can - it is given to you by default. It is unfortunate you were met with an FA
77 flyby519 : AA is the largest to the Caribbean, yes no doubt. But they are forcing the majority of their traffic through JFK/MIA. How about the traffic that lives
78 Post contains images catiii : I think it's failure to fully integrate the America West-USAir merger is what stifles its potential.
79 runway23 : How is US any better?
80 flyby519 : They aren't any better, but with B6 and US in the oneworld alliance it would give pax several other options ex-JFK/MIA and probably a lower cost way
81 Post contains links Seatback : The Dallas Morning News' Airline Biz Blog http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/ does a nice job at comparring all the majors post considation. I find it
82 LDVAviation : It seems like so long ago. But, before 9/11, US was the airline everyone wanted to buy or merge. UA tried, but was rebuffed by regulators. Then bankr
83 Post contains links sdexplorer00 : This is a great article which explains American's predicament and slim chance of doing a merger. Stuck in a Box: Why American Won’t Merge Anytime So
84 MAH4546 : Then you clearly haven't been to AA's new, and finally complete, $1B+ terminals at JFK and MIA, which are state of the art and extraordinarily easy t
85 crosswinds21 : With regards to aircraft utilization, I always wondered what the reason is that AA can't have any daytime flights from deep South America to Miami (o
86 MAH4546 : AA has a daily MIA-GRU daylight and 4w MIA-EZE daylight during the winter. The MIA-EZE daylight also operates during peak summer (mid-June through mi
87 crosswinds21 : I know. But what I'm asking is why MORE of these flights can't become daylight - specifically, the ones flying from South America back to MIA or DFW.
88 MAH4546 : Because the yield sucks. The daylights are great for cargo, but are filled with low-yield passengers and upgrades. BSB is a unique situation since th
89 crosswinds21 : That's interesting. Obviously, that's a very good reason if that's the case, but I was always under the impression that it's the redeye flights that
90 MAH4546 : Business travelers love north-south redeyes. They lose no sleep or work time. The time zone difference is minimal and you can get a good 7-9 hour sle
91 SHUPirate1 : You know, I don't think this has been brought up, but weren't American and US Airways allied with each other in the late-1990's?
92 USAirALB : It is a shame. The only time I was ever given a full can on AA was on AE. I'm talking about as of right now. I could throw out several destinations i
93 AJMIA : Thanks for the clarification, but I will never understand people's obsession with full can or 1/2 cans. As if I have ever not had enough to drink on
94 MiAAmi : Thats really hard to believe since it is so much easier for us to give you the can. I have never worked with or seen anyone that had a problem giving
95 flflyguy : Agreed!
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