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Incident At MKE This Afternoon  
User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

Just had a friend call me and tell me that there was a landing gear incident at MKE. Does anyone have any info on this?

Thanks

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User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Its a SkyWest CRJ-200 operating for AirTran that had a landing gear malfunction this afternoon while landing at MKE.

User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

The airport is not accepting any landings or take-offs until further notice.

Aircraft coming from Omaha.

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-100...-emergency-landing,0,6569734.story


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2372 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7732 times:

Runway the plane is NOT on is now open.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/103963609.html


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

This is a photo taken by my future brother in law, Kris Kolden, who was stuck on a plane waiting to taxi out when this happened.

It's not a great photo but here it is:

Big version: Width: 400 Height: 264 File size: 74kb


[Edited 2010-09-28 16:43:13]

User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Looks like no fire. Good thing. No injuries, I hope.

User currently offlineGeneralAviator From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Gear problems on Bombardier CRJ's leading to "on a wing and a prayer landings" twice in one week. First the CRJ-900 at JFK then the CRJ-200 at MKE. Both events were unfortunate. I am glad that everyone walked away from both landings. My compliments to the pilots.

Interesting post by MNMncrcnwjr in topic "DL (regional) Emergency Landing JFK - Landing Gear" at DL (regional) Emergency Landing JFK - Landing Gear (by burj Sep 25 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 38):
Just saw the news report of an FAA directive regarding CRJ gear issues over the past few years...

http://www.examiner.com/airlines-air...t-4951-makes-jfk-emergency-landing

"The incident might have been prevented. Last July, the FAA had issued an airworthiness directive, alerting all airlines to a potential landing gear problem with the CRJ 900. The NTSB and the FAA are both investigating last Saturday's incident.

Faa notice:

http://www.federalregister.gov/artic...lanes


Above links dead try these:
http://www.examiner.com/airlines-air...t-4951-makes-jfk-emergency-landing
http://www.federalregister.gov/artic...l-jet-series-700-and-701-airplanes

[Edited 2010-09-28 22:00:39]

User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1580 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7030 times:

Considering there are a billion CRJ's operating in the U.S. right now, the odds of having two landing gear incidents in a week are not all that unusual.

I'm willing to bet 10 Toyota Corolla's ran into trees somewhere in the U.S. today. Does that mean there is a problem with Corolla's?



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User currently offlineGeneralAviator From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 6965 times:

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
Considering there are a billion CRJ's operating in the U.S. right now, the odds of having two landing gear incidents in a week are not all that unusual. I'm willing to bet 10 Toyota Corolla's ran into trees somewhere in the U.S. today. Does that mean there is a problem with Corolla's?

Since there are only 307 million people in the United States, I doubt there are " a billion CRJ'S" in the US right now. (Just kidding I know you know that).

I am just reporting what happened and expressing the feeling that it was unfortunate. I don't think anyone was trying to say that CRJ's are bad planes. Also, if ten Corolla's ran into trees in the US today as you said, maybe it would not make the news. However, if they ran into trees because the wheels fell off I think that would be newsworthy.

See: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...5Ipi7-USQD9IH6AL00?docId=D9IH6AL00

The article states: (prior to the recent JFK incident):

"FAA documents reveal Bombardier aircraft also were involved in the following landing gear emergencies since late 2008:

_ On Dec. 15, 2008, a Mesa Airlines CRJ-900 landed safely at Chicago O'Hare Airport after the crew noticed an indicator light showing trouble with the landing gear.

_ On June 11, 2009, an Atlantic Southeast Airlines CRJ-200 couldn't extend its left landing gear but landed safely in Atlanta's Hartsfield Airport.

_ On May 23, 2010, a Skywest Airlines CRJ-200 couldn't extend its nose landing gear but landed safely at an Ontario, Calif., airport.

The New York Daily News, which first reported Tuesday on the landing gear problems, also noted that in April a "gear disagree" message appeared on a South Africa Express CRJ-200 flight approaching Windhoek Airport in Namibia. The nose gear was involved that time."

In light of that information I also found it interesting that an airworthiness directive had previously been issued by the FAA regarding CRJ900 landing gears. The summary of which states: (found: http://www.federalregister.gov/artic...-jet-series-700-and-701-airplanes)

"Investigation into a landing gear retraction problem on a production test flight revealed that, during aircraft pressurization and depressurization cycles, the pressure floor in the main landing gear bay deflects to a small extent. This causes relative misalignment between the [alternate-extension system] AES bypass valve, the downlock assist valve and the summing lever which, in turn, can result in damage to and potential failure of the respective clevis attached to one or both of the valves. Such a clevis failure could remain dormant and, in the subsequent event that use of the AES was required, full landing gear extension may not be achievable."

The following would have been good information to cite to support your argument:

When asked about the gear problems Bombardier spokesman Marc Duchesne said, "These aircraft are in service with more than 60 airlines over the world," he said. "The aircraft has logged more than 27 million flight hours and more than 22 million takeoff and landing cycles, so these are very good and reliable aircraft."

Just the facts, nothing more, nothing less.  



[Edited 2010-09-28 23:48:51]

User currently onlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
Considering there are a billion CRJ's operating in the U.S.

Nooooo... one HUNDRED billion CRJ's




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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Quoting GeneralAviator (Reply 8):
a billion CRJ'S" in the US right now

While walking the concourses at any airport, it sure seems like it.
safe



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User currently offlineetherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
I'm willing to bet 10 Toyota Corolla's ran into trees somewhere in the U.S. today. Does that mean there is a problem with Corolla's?

The time span is irrelevant, but if those Corollas ran into trees because, let's say, vibration--created at highway speeds by driving over the horrible roads in Texas (no offense to any Texans here  )--caused excessive wear in the power steering pump to the point of catastrophic failure.... well, then I'd say that's a design flaw   (assuming, of course, that proper maintenance has been performed with parts that are not defective from the factory).

The point isn't so much that they both happened in one week; it's that they both happened (and we're assuming again that all the proper maintenance has been performed in both cases).



"And that's why you always leave a note..."
User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

Quoting GeneralAviator (Reply 8):
When asked about the gear problems Bombardier spokesman Marc Duchesne said, "These aircraft are in service with more than 60 airlines over the world," he said. "The aircraft has logged more than 27 million flight hours and more than 22 million takeoff and landing cycles, so these are very good and reliable aircraft."

Basically this clown is saying, "screw you airlines, I have your money, we dont care if youre having gear problems, deal with it...."

Need I say more???

Access-Air



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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1297 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting GeneralAviator (Reply 8):
When asked about the gear problems Bombardier spokesman Marc Duchesne said, "These aircraft are in service with more than 60 airlines over the world," he said. "The aircraft has logged more than 27 million flight hours and more than 22 million takeoff and landing cycles, so these are very good and reliable aircraft."
Quoting Access-Air (Reply 12):

Basically this clown is saying, "screw you airlines, I have your money, we dont care if youre having gear problems, deal with it...."

Need I say more???

Access-Air

I don't think that's what he means at all. I think he's telling the truth: there are hundred or maybe even thousands (I don't know for sure but there are a LOT of them) of CRJs in service today, operating MANY short- and medium-haul flights, which means these aircraft fly more flights daily than most larger aircraft. That being considered, it's probably safe to say that CRJs account for many, if not the most (there are other regional jets and turboprops, and then you have cases like the US Airways and Delta Shuttles) aircraft movements in the United States and perhaps the world. That said, having two incidents two days in a row, looking at the big picture, is really not so unusual. He's basically saying that this is really just two isolated incidents. While two aircraft had issues in the last week, the rest didn't  

-J.



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 330 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
I'm willing to bet 10 Toyota Corolla's ran into trees somewhere in the U.S. today. Does that mean there is a problem with Corolla's?

Yep...but you know what they say..."Toyota, Never stops moving forward."

cessna2


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Ok you guys! Youre starting to act like the "mainstream media"!!!  
We know that Bombardier makes a perfectly good airplane, and that a landing w/o gear is pretty much a non-issue, except that it will make the insurance agents and mechanics cry.  JD CRPXE
PS.....oh and a few others......woops my bad.

[Edited 2010-09-29 17:09:24]


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User currently offlinephxtravelboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

I was actually on US flight 678 MKE-PHX yesterday with a scheduled departure time of 530pm. We were buttoned up and ready to go by 520pm, but sat and waited. Our departure time came and went and finally at 535pm the captain informed us of what happened. The man sitting next to me said "how does that happen"? I told him the airplane had no choice but to land as it can't stay in the air forever, and that this is the second time in a week this has happened. He of course had no idea. We were finally allowed to push back at 6pm; 30 minutes behind schedule, which we made up anyway. As we were taxiing out, we passed right by the CRJ. The man in front of me said "look, the wing got bent up when it hit the ground". I told him "no, that's a wingtip, kind of like our plane has". My brother was travelling with me, but not sitting by me. When we got to PHX, he told me that someone by his area of the plane said the "fuselage broke in half". Joe Public! Really no clue. Thankfully the CRJ stopped where it did. If it had skidded another 100 feet or so East, it would have been in the middle of the intersection of the north/south runway and the airport would have been closed for a LONG time. We used the north/south runway to take off. As we rotated, we flew right by the CRJ. I was fortunate enough to be in an "A" seat so I saw it all. Thanfully there were no injuries in this accident. Great job crew.

User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Isn't it Amazing that the National Media made Heros out of the ASA crew @ jfk and there wasn't a bit of news in the MSM about the incident in MKE?

There are a TON of questions as to compliance to the FAA directive for this a/c type.

IMHO the crew in MKE are every bit as talented and worthy of recognition as the ASA crew in JFK ...



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5026 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 17):
Isn't it Amazing that the National Media made Heros out of the ASA crew @ jfk and there wasn't a bit of news in the MSM about the incident in MKE?

There are a TON of questions as to compliance to the FAA directive for this a/c type.

IMHO the crew in MKE are every bit as talented and worthy of recognition as the ASA crew in JFK ...

Any crew that safely gets their passengers off a plane involved in an emergency, deserves recognition for their work.



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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 17):
Isn't it Amazing that the National Media made Heros out of the ASA crew @ jfk and there wasn't a bit of news in the MSM about the incident in MKE?

There are a TON of questions as to compliance to the FAA directive for this a/c type.

IMHO the crew in MKE are every bit as talented and worthy of recognition as the ASA crew in JFK ...

A day later is old news. Unless someone got injured, then you would have seen it on the front page of every news source talking about how safety has been degraded in the airlines due to regionals,   



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