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Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'  
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 4322 times:

Approval is expected by 15th October.

The combined company aims to spend $5.4 billion on new aircraft before 2012

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...s-government-approval-october-0924

Relevant carrier websites....

http://www.afriqiyah.aero/

http://www.libyanairlines.aero

[Edited 2010-09-29 02:36:40]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 4318 times:

That makes a lot of sense. With a single airline they can hopefully utilise their strong geographic position to act as a major player on the Europe to Africa routes.


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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):
Approval is expected by 15th October

I think the question why they haven't merged before now has been asked quite a few times on various threads here. Makes sense.

Pilot21



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 2):
I think the question why they haven't merged before now has been asked quite a few times on various threads here

Libyan is more the typical O/D carrier for travel to and from Libya
Afriqiyah wanted to use Tripoli as a hub and form a mini-Emirates with cheap flights between Europe and Africa. Smaller African countries like Mali, Ivory Coast, Cameroon were expensive to fly to, often monopolized by Air France or Brussels airlines. Many of their passengers weren't even aware they have to fly via Libya.

I think the A-330 crash have put a big dent on Afriqiyah's credibility and its name (intentionally without Libya in it) is weakened somewhat, so that's why they can better combine both products (O/D and connecting traffic) under the Libyan umbrella from now on, have economies of scale while the name 'Libyan' is not likely to scare away more people then 'Afriqiyah'



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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

This is actually a duplicate thread, but anyway...

It is interesting to see what will be the outcome of this. I like the line about "waiting for government approval". It implies that there is some sort of process going on. Approval for such matters normally comes from only one place.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 3):

Your reasoning is good, but nothing is happening here for economic reasons. TIP isn't DXB and they actually don't have much interest in opening TIP as a tourist stopover point. People may go via TIP if it is cheap enough, but are simply nervous of going via Libya. Shame really, as if you fly 8U you can currently get a 3 day transit visa on arrival, so plenty of time to have a look around Tripoli, Leptis Magna, Sabratha etc...



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User currently offlineVmcavmcg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Rumor is the combined carrier will retain the Afriqiyah name with the Libyan aircraft focusing on the domestic and close in market. The Afriqiyah side will continue to focus on the more international traffic.

The aircraft currently going to Libyan will be used to expand internationally. China is supposedly set to begin in Nov from AHU on a twice weekly basis. Daily service to AUH will begin then also with the 330 2 days/week and the 320 5 days/week.

Also a code share has been signed with EY.

Other rumored destinations are Moscow, Nairobi and perhaps LHR and twice weekly Nouakchott started last week.


User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
I think the question why they haven't merged before now has been asked quite a few times on various threads here. Makes sense.

I believe this may very well have to do with Gaddhafi's diminishing interest in his Pan-Africa project. Since he was not allowed to continue as President of the African Union, he no longer sees himself as the 'King of African Kings' as he so unashamedly once called himself.

Anyways politics aside, this is surely better to combine the 2 airlines and streamline their operations. Libyan would have to continue to focus on transit passengers though, hopefully with an improved airport infrastructure in Tripoli.

Cheers


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Afriqiyah selected GE for their A330s and they have been delivered. I'm informed that Libyan selected RR for their A330s - though no official announcement has been made and none has so far been built.

Standardising on one engine type would make sense.

So I expect the remaining Afriqiyah A330s to be converted to RR...

(Yeah, right!  )


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Obviously for anybody on this site it's difficult to realize, but I doubt much people remember the crash, even if it's a recent one. It was just not news for long, and nobody knew the name of the company anyway, so it makes sense to keep it. Of course, if you google it it's another story (the difficulty to write it right might help).


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
, but I doubt much people remember the crash

in Holland it remains a big story as 70 dutch people died, but indeed I didn't realize enough that elsewhere it's not an intriguing 'major' crash , with an airline everyone knows and a mysterious cause, like AF447.



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Libyan started receiving new A320s and preparing to return back the Nouvelair aircrafts. I guess the Afriqiyah brand will disappear.

User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

I think a lot of people would like to know why the plane crashed, including Airbus. I actually thought it was the LN brand disappearing, which from my purely personal point of view would be sad, not because it was a great airline, just one associated to some great childhood memories for me. Some of the  Wow! stories about aviation there though are "interesting" to say the least.


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
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From Bombardier's homepage, dated October 7: Libyan orders three more CRJ900NG with options for three more. They already operate three CRJ900 and two CRJ900NG.

Nice to see that the CRJ900 does well at this airline. Cool that they do the four-hour flights to the UK, but that might change when these two airlines become one...?



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5075 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 4):
Shame really, as if you fly 8U you can currently get a 3 day transit visa on arrival, so plenty of time to have a look around Tripoli, Leptis Magna, Sabratha etc...

= Is this really true? I have been wanting to go to Libya for a while and cannot find information anywhere on 8U about the same. Libya is not one of those places I'd like to venture and argue my way into a transit visa. For whatever reason, I am OK with doing this in sub-Saharan Africa, but not in Libya.

Saludos,
A.



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