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DL - Viability Of LED (St Petersburg)?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3530 times:

Hey all,

Just something I was thinking about - has DL, or has any carrier, ever operated a flight to LED?? With DL being in SkyTeam with SU and having a substantial presence in Eastern Europe, would JFK-LED be a viable route at less-than-daily service??

At 4292mi it's outside of the range of a 757 so it would have to be 763ER.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3511 times:

DL flew from FRA to St. Petersburg during the early years of the former FRA hub, it was something along the lines of 2-3 x weekly with a 727.


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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

LED-NYC is a market that needs to be served. Why it isn't is beyond me. The demand is there. I don't see why AA or DL couldn't fly this route (less than weekly).

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
With DL being in SkyTeam with SU and having a substantial presence in Eastern Europe, would JFK-LED be a viable route at less-than-daily service??

I can't really comment on the viability as I have little information about LED demand to North America, but I don't think SU would be all that much help with the route. SU's only major feed is to the SVO hub - FV is the big game in town at LED along with, to a lesser extent, UN. While a few connections would be more direct, SU doesn't offer any connections at LED that aren't already offered through SVO.


User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
I can't really comment on the viability as I have little information about LED demand to North America, but I don't think SU would be all that much help with the route. SU's only major feed is to the SVO hub - FV is the big game in town at LED along with, to a lesser extent, UN. While a few connections would be more direct, SU doesn't offer any connections at LED that aren't already offered through SVO.

AFAIK SU has taken over or wil take over FV so Aeroflot may come to the rescue http://en.rian.ru/business/20100202/157751083.html

/Lars



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 4):
AFAIK SU has taken over or wil take over FV so Aeroflot may come to the rescue

Thanks for the info - don't know how I missed that one!


User currently offlinenonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

I remember visiting St. Petersburg in 1999 and can remember still seeing the Delta logo where the city ticket office was. Tourism is strong in the summer, so I wonder if it could be started as a seasonal route and then adjusted if needed.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 2):
LED-NYC is a market that needs to be served. Why it isn't is beyond me. The demand is there. I don't see why AA or DL couldn't fly this route (less than weekly).




What is the daily passenger count on the NYC-LED route that would justify non-stop service,


User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Baltia Air Lines (the so-called "eternal start-up") plans to fly it on B747-200 (if they ever get off the ground)...  

User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 7):
What is the daily passenger count on the NYC-LED route that would justify non-stop service,

I don't have this data but I've seen it before somewhere and it was seemingly enough to justify at least some sort of service. But I can also tell you from empirical observation and antectodal evidence that there are a ton of people who fly this route (in part because of the tremendous Russian population in NYC). Most of them usually fly AY via HEL or sometimes LH via FRA.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15742 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 8):
Baltia Air Lines (the so-called "eternal start-up") plans to fly it on B747-200 (if they ever get off the ground)...

Dang, beat me to it.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
With DL being in SkyTeam with SU and having a substantial presence in Eastern Europe, would JFK-LED be a viable route at less-than-daily service??

Probably for someone, maybe Aeroflot would be a better fit for the market though with things like name recognition and an extra 14 seats in their 767s.



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User currently onlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2807 times:
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This is also a possible destination for the new UA out of either IAD or EWR once they get their long haul fleet repositioned and think about expansion.

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

DL did operate LED via HEL back in the 90's with both A310 and L1011.

User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

The route is well served through CDG. DL pax can easily connect to the 2 daily filghts CDG-LED by AF. Not sure a non-stop US-LED flight is really needed. But I may be wrong of course.

User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
DL flew from FRA to St. Petersburg during the early years of the former FRA hub, it was something along the lines of 2-3 x weekly with a 727.

We also use to have JFK-HEL-LED-HEL-JFK flights


User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 8):
Baltia Air Lines (the so-called "eternal start-up") plans to fly it on B747-200 (if they ever get off the ground)...

Yeah DL better hurry up cuz Baltia may start in the next 20 years!! lol


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

From what I understand, the traffic on US-LED is extremely seasonal so the best LED could hope for is summer only service. Most Europe - LED services are only 5-7x week and they have much higher pax volumes so that should be telling.

User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 13):
The route is well served through CDG. DL pax can easily connect to the 2 daily filghts CDG-LED by AF. Not sure a non-stop US-LED flight is really needed. But I may be wrong of course.

I can hardly call it 'well served'. AF flies just once a day in winter seasons and this flight does not connect to any CDG - US services.
LED - US is well served through FRA / MUC. IIRC, there are 5 daily flights combined between LED and these hubs.

[Edited 2010-09-30 12:15:01]

User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
From what I understand, the traffic on US-LED is extremely seasonal so the best LED could hope for is summer only service. Most Europe - LED services are only 5-7x week and they have much higher pax volumes so that should be telling.

Yup.
The majority of NYC-LED traffic goes on AY through HEL.
In summer, on a couple of good days it is about 25-30 connecting pax (usually, it is lower than that).
In the off-season the NYC-LED as an O&D market is pretty much non-existent.
Non-stop service would certainly stimulate traffic to some extent, but not as much as to justify deployment of B767.


User currently offlineadambrau From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

I also flew DL to LED via FRA and WAW in the mid 90's, and then I think also via FRA/Prague once. It was a 727 both times, and when PA still flew the route it was vis FRA and SVO. The flights were always pretty full, but always summertime flights.

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