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User currently offlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 943 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19586 times:

Having passed the 250 post threshold, let us continue our discussions on this fresh thread! Continued from New Frontier/Republic #13

Effects of WN's purchase of FL: MKE, DEN operations, etc.
The impending rebranding of YX equipment
Entry into PIE
And, to a lesser extent: the cookies


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19547 times:

Thanks for the new thread. I have been rather busy with school and flying, and having had too much time dedicated to posting here. I have been reading though (as always).

Anyways, personally, I dont pretend to know what will happen at MKE, with regards to WN/FL. I do believe at the very least, there will be some mild improvements for them due simply to the move from 3 to 2 major competitors. As usual, Ill just sit back and watch from my chair. It has always been a pretty good seat to view from.



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User currently offlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19522 times:

No problemo! As for the boys in (canyon) blue, I think they'll be too busy playing with their new toys to pay a significant amount of attention to F9; i.e., moving to "kill" them in one market or another. Their new-found catalyst for growth may naturally lead to a little bump up north, but I don't foresee any titanic clashes in the near future. Then again, I'm not an airline analyst...


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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19520 times:

Of course we start a new thread after I post a nice long reply...  
Quoting Tigerguy (Thread starter):
The impending rebranding of YX equipment

This one is, I think, of the most interest to me. I have no real connection to YX, but they did seem to be an airline with a very strong survival instinct, at least until the last few years. But, I'm really looking forward to more animal tales filling the airways....

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 1):

Happy A.net birthday, by the way...



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19483 times:

I do wonder what the future holds for MKE given WN's operation in MDW being so close.

I don't think we'll see any immediate consolidation between MKE and MDW, but it could happen down the road as FL and WN routes will inevitably be streamlined and operations consolidated for efficiency.

Which city they would consolidate in remains to be seen, there's a strong case for both.



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2911 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19458 times:

I posted a detail analysis of what I think will happen with WN+FL in Milwaukee and why in post #44 of this thread.

WN/FL Merger: Impact On Airports (by Moderators Sep 28 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Don't want to just repost in another thread (this one) but I think it is a fairly likely outcome, and gives support for why I believe this. And it's an outcome which holds some benefit for Frontier in Milwaukee.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2911 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19427 times:

Manistee / Ironwood / Rhinelander live another day

The DoT has rejecteed the EAS proposals for Manistee and Ironwood, which forces Great Lakes to continue to serve them for at least a couple more months. New bids are due 10/18, then there's a period for community comments and consideration, then the DoT decides, and then the awardee usually takes several weeks to start. So ZK is forced to continue to serve the markets, which means F9* continues.

The only two bidders were Sovreign Air which proposed 9-seat aircraft but doesn't hold commuter authority, and Charter Air which proposed 30-seat EM2 flights but is only authorized to operate public charters above 9 seats.

I suspect the DoT would like Lakes to rebid, but they have refused when they did not get Escanaba and Iron Mountain. Delta got Iron Mountain and Escanaba, but it's questionable they will stay when the Saab 340 leaves. If ultimately DL* is going to leave ESC and IMT anyway, it would be nice if all four cities came up and Lakes or someone else were to bid. I fear that ultimately MBL and IWD will get even worse service than they have now and the markets will be further harmed. The non-optimal schedule IWD is getting these days has already helped to kill boardings, but Manistee is booming.


User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19339 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 6):
The only two bidders were Sovreign Air which proposed 9-seat aircraft but doesn't hold commuter authority

This Sovreign Air, what exactly is going on there. For the past 2 or 3 years, they have put in for many EAS cities, and have always been denied. I read one time that the only aircraft they had was a 172. Anyone know anything about this operation?-I think they are headqyartered somewhere in North Dakota


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19286 times:
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Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
Which city they would consolidate in remains to be seen, there's a strong case for both.

Others have addressed some of this in other threads, but there are certain realities at work. Southwest has a lot of new priorities.

Southwest acquires a bunch of DCA slots in this merger, and it is difficult for me to believe they won't reallocate some of those slots to other cities.

I'd be surprised if they retain all the slots for MKE-DCA, for example, with no slots for MDW-DCA. Some of this may happen at LGA as well.

I think the difference is simple. MKE was crucially important to Airtran. MKE may be important to Southwest, but I don't think it is crucial.

mariner



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User currently offlineTheGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19243 times:

The rumor going around Midwest is that the cookies will soon be phased out. The company now is only catering 75 cookies (1 cookie per passenger) on the 99 seat 190's, previously the planes had been catered with 198 cookies (two cookies per passenger). Catering has been informed not to honor FA requests for more cookies. Most of the FA's hate the cookies because of how messy and wasteful they are.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19235 times:

That is old policy. We are now getting 100% catering of cookies. And the cookies are here to stay. Midwest will no longer be referred to as of 01Oct. Everything including flight numbers and announcements are all going to be F9.


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User currently offlineTheGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19222 times:

That's too bad. It's amazing how many cookies are wasted per flight. Most passengers complain about how the cookies are often cold due to the lack of ovens. With the Frontier transition they should be phased out, I would think that they are an expensive snack to provide.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19204 times:

Frontier is mentioned or taking part in some SCASD grant proposals.
2010 Scad Applications Go Public (by MAH4546 Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Cedar Rapids – MKE

South Bend – 1x daily E190 to DEN

Syracuse – Looking at several LCC carriers. F9 proposal less than daily to DEN on E190 and/or daily to MKE with E145.



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User currently offlineairportguy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19204 times:

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 9):
The rumor going around Midwest is that the cookies will soon be phased out. The company now is only catering 75 cookies (1 cookie per passenger) on the 99 seat 190's, previously the planes had been catered with 198 cookies (two cookies per passenger). Catering has been informed not to honor FA requests for more cookies. Most of the FA's hate the cookies because of how messy and wasteful they are.

The rumor I've heard is the chocolate chip cookies are here to stay for all flights after 10 am and for the flights prior to 10 am they're going to begin serving oatmeal-raisn cookies.

It is true that the F/A's from F9 don't like them. I've been on the airside bus at DIA and listened to them complain about the molten chocolate burning. Some have even said that they have deliberately made the choice to serve them cold, to avoid the chocolate burns.

They'd never say this in front of their managment, but with a bus full of Ramp and CS folks, they moan and groan with no filters in place...


User currently offlineTheGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19191 times:

All the F9, RW, RP crews hate serving them, it's a hassle. Some FA's will even not serve cookies at all. The melted chocolate gets smeared all over the aircraft by the passengers, and are difficult to serve since the cookies fall apart easily when baked.

User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19178 times:

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 11):
Most passengers complain about how the cookies are often cold due to the lack of ovens.

Which seems strange, since 99.9999999999999999....% of cookies are consumed cold. Hot, fresh from the oven cookies are only a feature of the day you're baking them, restaurants that have made them a featured dessert item, and Frontier (nee Midwest) Airlines.

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 11):
With the Frontier transition they should be phased out, I would think that they are an expensive snack to provide.

Perhaps... perhaps not... They ARE a brand icon of Midwest, and are intended to be a symbol that Frontier has inherited Midwests position as Milwaukee's hometown airline. And everyone likes cookies.

Quoting airportguy1971 (Reply 13):
It is true that the F/A's from F9 don't like them. I've been on the airside bus at DIA and listened to them complain about the molten chocolate burning. Some have even said that they have deliberately made the choice to serve them cold, to avoid the chocolate burns.

They've never learned to handle cookies from spending time in the kitchen with Grandma? Yeesh... I could avoid getting burned (most of the time) by melted chocolate before I was 5. And shouldn't there be spatulas, hot mitts, and maybe even plastic food-service gloves aboard the aircraft?

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 14):
The melted chocolate gets smeared all over the aircraft by the passengers, and are difficult to serve since the cookies fall apart easily when baked.

So they need miniature plates and more napkins... Of course, the need for more napkins is an OLD staple of eating anything in-flight.



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User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19171 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
I do wonder what the future holds for MKE given WN's operation in MDW being so close.

I don't think we'll see any immediate consolidation between MKE and MDW, but it could happen down the road as FL and WN routes will inevitably be streamlined and operations consolidated for efficiency.

Which city they would consolidate in remains to be seen, there's a strong case for both.

I don't think the streamlining of MKE and MDW routes is that inevitable, or even necessary.
Chicago/Milwaukee is a huge metropolitan area, and WN is now big enough to have significant presence in both MDW and MKE.
It probably makes sense to consolidate operations in MDW due to efficiency reasons, but from the competitive standpoint it is just as reasonable to keep what FL has built in MKE to continue applying pressure on F9 yields. That's essentially what WN has been doing in DEN over the past few years. That's what they might (and I think, will) do in MKE as well.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19170 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 16):
That's essentially what WN has been doing in DEN over the past few years. That's what they might (and I think, will) do in MKE as well.

Which mostly serves to limit F9's possible profitability, not eliminate it, unless F9 is either paying more for fuel and maintenance per seat than WN, or is for some reason unable to continue to sell tickets at WN's prices.



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User currently offlineTheGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19167 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 15):
Which seems strange, since 99.9999999999999999....% of cookies are consumed cold. Hot, fresh from the oven cookies are only a feature of the day you're baking them, restaurants that have made them a featured dessert item, and Frontier (nee Midwest) Airlines.

Midwest was know for their baked on board cookies. Passengers expect warm cookies which was the Midwest trade mark, not some crappy cold cookies. Most passengers are surprised that Midwest serves cookies or are upset that the cookies are not warm like the old Midwest.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19162 times:

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 18):
Midwest was know for their baked on board cookies. Passengers expect warm cookies which was the Midwest trade mark, not some crappy cold cookies.

I'm aware of that... And I'm familiar with the sense of entitlement that people seem to attach to flying. Personally, as long as the cookie tastes like a cookie and isn't unbaked, I don't care if it's cold if they're giving it to me free.

Oh, flight attendant? A carton of milk, please!



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User currently offlineTheGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19161 times:

I used to serve these cookies, I'm just repeating what the passengers said to me. Most people don't even want them if they're cold, we always had so many leftovers that were thrown out on arrival.

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19161 times:

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 14):
All the F9, RW, RP crews hate serving them, it's a hassle. Some FA's will even not serve cookies at all. The melted chocolate gets smeared all over the aircraft by the passengers, and are difficult to serve since the cookies fall apart easily when baked.

Sorry, but all I hear is "wah, wah, and wah." I'd give my right arm just to BE an FA for F9, and these people are complaining about some itty bitty chocolate burns? Give me a break. Any FA that complains about serving cookies to the passengers in an industry that's in the state its in sounds like they carry very little pride in their airline/job.

It's lucky to find an airline that seems to serve the customer anymore, and F9 serving cookies, warm or cold, is a gesture that communicates that. It would be a damn shame to see that go away.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineTheGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19137 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 21):
Sorry, but all I hear is "wah, wah, and wah." I'd give my right arm just to BE an FA for F9, and these people are complaining about some itty bitty chocolate burns? Give me a break. Any FA that complains about serving cookies to the passengers in an industry that's in the state its in sounds like they carry very little pride in their airline/job.
Quoting Airport (Reply 21):
It's lucky to find an airline that seems to serve the customer anymore, and F9 serving cookies, warm or cold, is a gesture that communicates that. It would be a damn shame to see that go away

I've never heard any of the FA's complain about being burned, and I know a lot of them. Most passengers don't finish their cookies or even refuse to eat them if they're not hot. FA's are complaining because they have to hear people complain about them. I had pax yell at me the cookie was cold. The only shame is the amount of cookies beings wasted on a daily basis.y

[Edited 2010-09-29 23:05:39]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19112 times:
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Quoting beryllium (Reply 16):
t probably makes sense to consolidate operations in MDW due to efficiency reasons, but from the competitive standpoint it is just as reasonable to keep what FL has built in MKE to continue applying pressure on F9 yields.

There are some routes where they simply can't do that.

Southwest cannot continue the relationship with Skywest, and has already said that they will not fly to DFW. And they cant serve DAL nonstop from MKE for the foreseeable future.

And if keeping the pressure on Frontier at MKE is the priority at Southwest, why are they dropping one MKE-MCO frequency in early April and one MKE-MCI frequency in late April?

mariner

[Edited 2010-09-29 23:45:24]


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User currently offlineairportguy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19079 times:

Quoting TheGoldenArgosy (Reply 22):
I've never heard any of the FA's complain about being burned

I'd like to invite you to ride the employee bus from the A concourse to the DIA "airside" employee parking lot, just about every day. If you have the opportunity to listen to the Denver based F/A ranks, you'd hear these complaints about the chocolate burns all the time. They love to spout the rumors about how the cookies are going away. They're gone after we burn through the 1 million cookies stashed away in freezers all over the old YX system.

RW isn't going to let the cookies just go to waste, but they are going to go away ASAP, because they are wasteful and the F/A's hate them.

Despite the Oatmeal cookie planning being done as we speak. The F/A group really thinks the cookies are going away.

This is what they are talking about on a daily basis...


25 FutureFO : The cookies are not going away anytime soon. They are here to stay.
26 joeljack : It's called reheat in the oven! United services HOT chocolate chip cookies in First on all domestic meal flights. They are actually pretty good and M
27 MostlyAir : Here's some important information relating to Southwest and their future presence at Milwaukee (to DCA) that Knope was able to dig up and posted in an
28 beryllium : As for DFW... By the time the WN/FL merger will be completed, year 2014 will be right around the corner with all the Wright Amendment amendments asso
29 kingcavalier : For the time being, yes, FL will continue to fly MKE-DFW, but that stops when the WN/FL mereger is completed. Yes, WN will be able to fly MKE-DAL in
30 Post contains images beryllium : I believe, DFW and DAL serve essentially the same geographic region... kind of like TPA and PIE.
31 rwfa : Well obviously from my screen name you can guess who I work for, and I can tell you that I don't hate serving the cookies, and welcome the chance to
32 wwtraveler99 : With all these mergers happening it made me think. Does anyone know (mariner) if any of the senority issues have been worked out yet? It seems that th
33 FRNT787 : DFW serves a much broader area. Tarrant county, Denton County, Parker County, Palo Pinto County and others are far less willing to drive to Love fiel
34 beryllium : Well, that is all cool, but still discontinuation of DFW-MKE service by WN/FL does not mean that F9 will get all those passengers, and it will all be
35 norcal : It's F9/RAH/YX/Lynx merger and it is still very much a work in process. The RAH contract requires all flying done by any subsidiary of RAH to be done
36 thegoldenargosy : I flew for RP up until August. On my flights I got many negatives comments about the cookies, or the passengers were indifferent about them. Very few
37 mariner : But - very gently - they are taking pressure off Frontier, at least for now. And I believe the merger happens in about six months - the first half of
38 Post contains images Antoniemey : That wouldn't take long at all... How many of those F/As are good at math? They're more than likely deluding themselves. I don't deny that a hot cook
39 beryllium : As of today, 2014 is a distant future. But discontinuation of DFW-MKE by FL will happen not tomorrow either. (FL will still be operating on its certi
40 FutureFO : The C-series is going on to the Republic certificate. At least as far as the last information we got. But by the time thaey are delivered hopefully we
41 mariner : Sorry, I tend to stay out of pilot matters, they can get heated - and loaded. A couple of my favorite airline websites are presently dominated by Sou
42 norcal : They basically have that with LOA 39, but there are differing opinions about how strong the language is. YX thought they had a very strong scope and
43 wwtraveler99 : Thank you for the full report. About WN and FL. If, and its a big IF, they both agree to put everyone at the bottom does that not satisfy the law? I
44 Antoniemey : FL will be a subsidiary of WN long before SOC... and as soon as they are a subsidiary of WN they must stop flying to DFW or WN will lose gates at DAL
45 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I am honestly a little amused at the sudden controversy over the cookies. We've been hearing for years how wonderful the cookies are at YX, and I don'
46 norcal : No problem and in answer to your question, I honestly don't know. I don't think that's a scenario that anyone has every even considered. I can't fath
47 TVNWZ : Are you saying the unions don't have good lawyers? Also, I am not sure they "found" a favorable arbitrator. I thought each side struck names until on
48 loggat : RAH pilot SLI arbitration is finished and awaiting the ruling from the arbitrator. There should be a preliminary ruling towards the end of October. I'
49 norcal : No, but management often times has better ones. Most airlines have a law firm in DC on retainer, whose sole purpose is to pretty much find holes or "
50 Post contains images mariner : Isn't that what is happening? mariner
51 TVNWZ : Point. But, there are also law firms dedicated to finding holes working for the unions. It is always best for any disperate group to work out their d
52 kingcavalier : My friends at FL in DFW have already been advised that they are relocating to DFW relatively soon. It sounds like they'll relocate long before the me
53 Post contains images mariner : All this talk of f/a's complaining about the cookies is making me feel very, very old. LOL. Throughout my working life - and especially in the US - i
54 fltpafa : I ecpect the dfw station will be closed by the end of march 2011. once the DOJ signs off and the stockholders vote to allow the merger that will give
55 beryllium : The customers (some of them) are just comparing "Best care in the air" then with what is claimed to be the "Best care in the air" now. That's all. Fa
56 FRNT787 : No one claimed that. I tend to believe much of it will go to a certain airline with silver planes.
57 knope2001 : Regarding MKE-DFW, from what I've heard (and from they way AirTran is pushing MKE-DFW in their local advertising), I'm not so sure MKE-DFW would survi
58 LAXintl : Another SCASD grant has Frontiers name on it -- Provo Utah looking for better access to its major markets of Las Vegas, Los Angeles and San Francisco
59 mariner : That's interesting. I thought Logan, Utah was the one with the hots - or at least, the warms - for Frontier. They had a deal for DEN-LGU before the b
60 mariner : Nudged by Knope2001, I checked the Southwest website and see that I am wrong. Southwest is reducing MKE-MCI from 3 x daily to 2 x daily in January, n
61 Antoniemey : Glad you enjoyed them. It is an interesting concept... albeit one very old in the Airline industry. How many jokes did there used to be based on the
62 norcal : As far as I know yes, BUT there are some F9 pilots that don't want to integrate. How many? I don't know but those pilots will be dragged kicking and
63 knope2001 : All the talk of potential route changes in MKE from the WN/FL marriage is interesting, but a key likely benefit not as often mentioned is improved pri
64 mariner : I thought you said earlier that is a slam dunk anyway?: As I understand it, this is completely out of Mr. Bedford's hands. How he eventually responds
65 Post contains images beryllium : Being the competitor with deeper pockets can change that equation, too. And, speaking about pricing, there is a type of it, which is called "predator
66 knope2001 : Very true...Southwest can withstand losses longer than Republic can. AirTran could too. The likely difference...and I say likely because only time wi
67 norcal : No, what I said is that there is nothing Bedford can do to stop it. So as long as both groups decide to merge or one side throws up ineffective block
68 knope2001 : FYI, today Midwest and Frontier are integrated into a single res system...all on the Frontier platform. So far it seems to be going well. MKE is runni
69 sunking737 : OK so refresh my memory, When did Republic buy Frontier? Why am I asking? In today Orlando business journal there is a story on how the deal came abou
70 Antoniemey : Around a year ago. Mariner probably remembers the exact date, but I think the official auction was in August of 2009.
71 Post contains images mariner : The auction was in August, but Republic actually acquired Frontier on this date - October 1. Happy Anniversary. mariner[Edited 2010-10-01 10:13:30]
72 Post contains links airportguy1971 : Southwest announced the intent to purchase F9 in July of '09 Southwest boosts initial Frontier bid to $170 million cash in August of '09 Republic deal
73 mariner : Not to beat this poor horse, but you said, in post #42, as a definitive statement: You then repeated it - but this time as a possibility - in post #6
74 LAXintl : Another SCASD with mention of Frontier is Central Wisconsin Airport in Mosinee seeking $350,000 in grant funds to encourage Delta to upgauge service f
75 norcal : Let me make this clear. Bedford can't do anything to block an SLI. That is a union thing and it is a slam dunk as long as all sides can agree to it.
76 Post contains images mariner : I've never questioned that. The rest is your interpretation and there seem to be pilots, you say, at Frontier who disagree with that interpretation.
77 USPIT10L : Sure could've fooled me. At PIT we did not have boarding passes or bagtags for a while. We had to call IT to get them straightened out. At least we g
78 TVNWZ : Considerably less indeed! Took forever. Phone service was not a YX strong point. There are always naysayers. Probably lower senority folk.
79 norcal : I'm not saying I'm automatically right, (I hope I'm wrong) I'm saying it's a possibility. Given what happened to YX pilots, F9 pilots should be conce
80 yellowtail : Ok guys......what are the odds of DEN-BZE in 2011? I would say 99%. UA(CO) and AA are going to have a heart attack when all those divers from Colorado
81 knope2001 : Thanks for the feedback. Not being an employee or travling today, the three ways I have to estimate how things are going today are: (a) Affect to on-
82 mke717spotter : So you just called them and then hung up whenever someone answered?
83 Post contains links mariner : You may indeed be right, but I don't work there, I am not involved and all I want is the solution that causes the least amount of of distress to the
84 knope2001 : The give an estimated wait time.
85 USPIT10L : Not too long, but it's happened waaay too many times at YX. It really gets old really quick. It makes our presentation look so poor. I've never seen
86 mariner : It's been a year since Republic took over and Frontier became a "new"airline. It's been a great year for me. All I've ever wanted from Frontier is th
87 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Indeed it has! It was not even two years ago that they were on the brink of total insolvency. Now, they are a rapidly growing airline. Credit must be
88 Post contains images mariner : As I've already said, the problems began with the departure of Sean Menke and Greg Aretakis after First LAX. This led to the ascendency of Mr. Happ.
89 norcal : Let me try one more time to make this as clear as I can for you: I believe there is *one* scenario where he would fold all the F9 operations into RW
90 FWAERJ : I don't think WN will add much new for a while, either. Their focus will be on digesting FL. After that, we could see a few more cities, but I think
91 mariner : I'm sure there is one scenario where that would happen. Just as I am sure there are other possible scenarios but you have usually dismissed them, at
92 norcal : There was no change in that situation so no reason to mention it again. However there was a new union/pilot situation that developed (reported by RAH
93 mariner : Did they fail? Mr. Kenyon's letter suggested it was the pacing of the bureaucracy, as happened with the original Lynx AOC long before Republic. I sup
94 norcal : It was RAH's decision to do a last minute 180 and put the Q-400 on the RW certificate. Doing so after someone over there finally crunched the numbers
95 mariner : Since the re-certification is moving forward, I don't see who has "failed." By that standard, you could argue that Jeff Potter's Frontier "failed" -
96 FRNT787 : They did not add the Q400 back because of ASE. It is your decision, apparently, to rewrite history (despite the history only being a month old). It w
97 Post contains links and images norcal : My "re-written" history backed up with press releases below, enjoy. On a completely different schedule then what they publicly stated because they fa
98 Post contains links mariner : "Finally?" LOL. They knew it on March 5 - at least according to the poster Loggat who - I believe - is a Republic pilot: OAG Changes 3/5/2010: 9K/B6/
99 FRNT787 : You claim here they brought it back because they could not run the route with an E-Jet. They brought it back because they suddenly had the planes. Th
100 n7371f : Republic's dealings with the FAA cannot be fully assimilated to Frontier & Lynx's dealings with the FAA. Each FAA Field Office tends to operate w
101 Post contains links bjorn14 : Here is an interesting article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about how WN is going to use MKE to squeeze ORD. http://www.jsonline.com/business/1
102 MKENut : Sort of counting your chickens before they've hatched. ORD North? LOL Forgive us Milwaukeeans for being skeptical. I am old enough to remember NWA an
103 Post contains links alphascan : Michael Boyd weighs in today with this outlook on the deal... including it's impact on MKE: "The transaction is positive for Southwest. It's positive
104 PlaneAdmirer : Every December we fly to Phoenix for a week to see family and friends with kids tow - we total 5. I priced tickets on the 26th out from Den and back o
105 alphascan : Airline pricing isn't like going to the hardware store for a bag of nails. Pricing is all about revenue management and maximizing the the revenue a f
106 Post contains links mariner : Did I miss something? Interline is interline, it isn't code share or anything approaching it, a convenience not to get too excited about. But the numb
107 Post contains links and images knope2001 : The JSOnline report was kind of starry-eyed in my opinion. I'm not going to hold my breath for "O'Hare North". As for Boyd, this is a link to the the
108 USPIT10L : Sounds like the crap the Post-Gazette trots out every time significant news leaks out. I expect the same thing, MKE will downsized considerably from
109 bjorn14 : Has B6 received all the 190s they ordered? They had over 100 at one point.
110 n7371f : They have many more on order...I show them with roughly 60 orders remaining.
111 Post contains links mariner : September numbers are out - another record load factor for branded: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep...ic-2010-10-05?reflink=MW_news_stmp "Republi
112 YXwatcherMKE : I was reading a thread by Enilria "SEC Investigating Alaska Air CEO." He (enilria) thought that this would cause Mr. Ayer to step down or forced out r
113 Antoniemey : I doubt RAH could afford AAG... of course, a change in CEO doesn't automatically put the group up for sale anyway.
114 n809fr : I hope RAH does something big soon, my stocks shot up rather quickly but have sat dormant for the past few weeks!
115 KGRB : I notice that the temporary 'Midwest' signs have come down at the F9 ticket counter at GRB, so it appears the rebranding of outstations is well on its
116 GentFromAlaska : Slightly off topic, because WN at MKE appears to be of some concern, Brian Sullivan of Fox Business News is visiting WN HQ in DAL today (Friday) Octob
117 JBo : So far on here only two ERJs have been documented as being painted ... if there were more I'm sure they'd be documented on here as everyone is eager
118 Post contains images USPIT10L : At PIT, it still says Midwest everywhere, but I last worked on Tuesday, so hopefully the signs have been replaced. We are making F9 announcements and
119 sideflare75 : There are now three. Add N269SK to that list. Baby racoon on the tail. Been out a few weeks now.
120 Post contains links mariner : And Alaska would be a hugely expensive buy. The market cap is over $1.7 billion, whereas RJET is about $300 million. I think it is quite unlikely tha
121 MKENut : To talk specifically about WN @MKE?
122 Post contains links and images kingcavalier : I thought someone said they had seen a baby raccoon on another E145. It must be "Bandit" off N506LX. View Large View MediumPhoto © Idle Photography
123 GentFromAlaska : If I were to guess, I would say no. FBN appears to be launching a new series about American companies in a icon series
124 yx302 : I wondered when this would pop up. They were recently in MKE looking at old skyway equipment. For those that dont remember, skyway operated the dorni
125 Post contains images bahadir : nothing to write home about Vision loves Do328 jets and they are using them in their operations. If you think Vision will be a big competitor in this
126 MKENut : I'm not sure but maybe they want to replace Great Lakes EAS service at MKE and code share with Frontier?
127 Post contains links Tigerguy : They've got a little ways to go if they want to do that, methinks. Great Lakes posted some numbers, and plenty of them are going up: http://www.kansa
128 Post contains links mariner : What comes out in the wash after any major event can often be interesting. In the volumes of stuff that has been written about the Southwest's take-ov
129 SurfandSnow : I believe you may be implying that the FL network will suffer a similar fate? If anything, he is saying that the acquisition of FL is in no way compa
130 mariner : I'm not implying that at all. I'm not sure why you would make that assumption. As I read it, he says that Frontier required down-sizing, which could
131 YXwatcherMKE : I have read several articles in print and on-line that suggest that MKE will have WN growth to serve the Northeastern Illinois passenger that would ot
132 Post contains links YXwatcherMKE : I hope this was not posted somewhere else but I did not see it, but if it was I am sorry if I am repeating the info. But again this airport continues
133 sunking737 : Just posted on F9 facebook page this morning.... Frontier CEO Bryan Bedford will be on Undercover Boss Oct. 17th. They have a you tube preview link al
134 mariner : It's tough to know. By virtue of the combined market share with Airtran, Southwest immediately becomes #1 at MKE, but I can't see that it makes too m
135 JBo : I think one advantage F9 will maintain over WN/FL in MKE is the regional connecting traffic. F9 will always have that advantage as far as drawing traf
136 Post contains images KGRB : I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but if not, there's an article in the November edition of Airways on MKE becoming "Chicago's third airpo
137 Post contains links mke717spotter : Wasn't that shifted over to provide an extra PHX flight? I think that's their top performer from MKE. Looks like he's going to be doing some flight a
138 Post contains images mariner : It may be, I believe they have added a 2nd MKE-PHX. PHX does very well for them, it is what other airlines (but not Southwest) might call a hub. mari
139 bjorn14 : Is there anyway I can watch Undercover Boss on the internet?
140 sunking737 : Yes you can. Just go to CBS.com. You can watch any of the CBS shows. If I miss any shows I catch up there.
141 Antoniemey : Not quite any. The Big Bang Theory, for instance, is not streamed online by CBS due to contract restrictions with WB, which produces the show.
142 timf : Also, many times they block viewing from outside of the US because different networks have rights to the shows.
143 Post contains links Tigerguy : Ahead of his national TV debut, it seems Mr. Bedford has tossed out another cookie for us to chew on: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...eting-dea
144 Antoniemey : Ah, but they had a deal with Delta that was ended when Midwest ceased to be a continuing entity. I think maybe you're thinking too big... Alaska, Jet
145 ERJ170 : I'm gonna go with US. They ties are just too tight and there really isn't any other that would do any benefit for them..
146 Tigerguy : A good point. Of those two, I thought about it a while and concluded: "Huh, something about B6 sounds kinda sexy..." That partnership might help to f
147 Post contains images mariner : Just to make the point that the deal was only ever with Midwest. Delta did eventually agree to Midwest code sharing with Frontier (which took some do
148 MKENut : I'm with you on this mariner. I think Delta is having second thoughts and they are the ones that contacted Republic.
149 Post contains images jlbmedia : I agree. These two Airlines (Republic) have had a good working relationship for some time. USAirways was the first one to come to mind for me.
150 Post contains images KGRB : Echoing both of these comments, I too am going to side with US in this one. US and F9 have complimentary networks -- US really could use some help fi
151 Post contains images mariner : Actually, my first choice would be Hawaiian - gets 'em a tad closer to me. They were in discussions about it before, but the bk put paid to it and I
152 beryllium : It's the same old song - about a year ago he was saying something about the plans of "joining an alliance" or something like that... There hasn't bee
153 PlanesNTrains : If US has access via codeshare to UA's DEN and ORD hubs, F9 would seem like overkill wouldn't it? I'm not clear on if US and UA codeshare over these
154 mariner : He said that he wanted to create an airline that would be good enough to join one of the big alliances. Given where both Frontier and Midwest were at
155 F9Animal : I have heard that B6 and F9 are close to some type of agreement for codeshare. Would be a nice benefit for both airlines. I think that F9 should jump
156 KDEN : What about AA? The question is though, would DEN provide enough benefit that couldn't be brought to AA through either ORD or DFW? And of course there'
157 RJNUT : the CEO HATES turboprops!..whay buy an entire airline of them?!!
158 beryllium : MKE is certainly not that vital for WN, as it was/is for FL, but it is quite safe to assume that they will be pressuring F9's yields over there by al
159 mariner : Indeed. And MKE airfares are already among the lowest in the nation. Sales are fairly common this time of year, though. Almost back-to-back sales are
160 sldispatcher : I have long thought that that would be a very strategic alliance. If they pick up Alaska on the west and B6 in the East....F9 flyers get so many choi
161 Post contains images mariner : The newly painted E145 - with the raccoon tail - has turned up in the database, together with a great shot of the orca: mariner
162 OzarkD9S : That was my first thought. The northwest quadrant of the nation is a fairly weak area for AA. AS helps, but SEA and PDX are a backtrack for most of t
163 knope2001 : Those sorts of "as low as" fares illustrate a benefit Frontier will likely see in Milwaukee from the acquisition. Most of these Southwest fares are h
164 SurfandSnow : So it seems DL and now UA/CO are intent on replicating the F9-style CUN focus city. Anyone think the trendsetter - F9 - will try to establish itself i
165 bahadir : It could easly be done with some Airbus aircraft on the weekends. You replace low yield time flights with EMB190/195s and then send Airbus down to CU
166 mariner : I hope not. While a number of Frontier's CUN routes worked very well, some didn't. There were horror stories of AUS-CUN going out with less than a do
167 Antoniemey : I don't know that "Hates" is the appropriate description. Certainly from Bedford's point of view, turboprops were not something he wanted to pursue g
168 YXwatcherMKE : As much as I would like to see F9 and B6 join in on a code-share it would require one of the two airlines doing MKE-JFK route more than once a day. F9
169 F9Animal : I have heard that B6 and F9 are close to some type of agreement for codeshare. Would be a nice benefit for both airlines. I think that F9 should jump
170 n7371f : Horizon's not for sale. Then again, neither was AirTran.
171 n7371f : Horizon owns around the last 20 delivered. All Q400's delivered before N417QX are leased (several of which were originally leased through Boeing Capi
172 GentFromAlaska : Didn't I read recently F9/YX integrated under a single F9 brand on or about Oct 1, at least on the reservations side. Travelocity.com is advertising a
173 n7371f : There's an interesting line at the very end of a Associated Press article on Bedford talking about a possible alliance deal... "Frontier capacity will
174 mariner : That is interesting. A few weeks ago, BB confirmed the rumors and said that 3 x A319 "had become available" to Frontier at competitive rates - Mexica
175 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : DEN-ANC year-around perhaps!
176 Post contains images USPIT10L : Yes, but the entire atmosphere has changed in a matter of months. F9/RW has no choice, really. It's either align with somebody or perish. You'll stil
177 Post contains links and images mariner : Okay, here's one out of the box - Northwest Florida Regional Airport - VPS. It isn't guaranteed, but Frontier has supported their application for a SC
178 Tigerguy : They seem to be quite the happening little airport. Looked at their website and it appears they have a love affair for WestJet at the moment...perhap
179 HermansCVR580 : I know San Juan was rumored awhile back from MKE-SJU. I think it was a seasonal thing? Might make a go of it next winter.
180 TZTriStar500 : In this case, the article is correct and they are coming. The 3 A319 are ex-MX leased from Aercap (N412, 204, 254MX) and will become N951, 952, 953FR
181 Post contains images KGRB : Another Midwest ticket counter bites the dust! This time in ATW... YX is now officially dead in the city where they began. Last weekend I noticed that
182 USPIT10L : Good luck with that at certain stations. PIT uses the AA ticket counter, and leases the gate and counter space from them. Each decision we make regar
183 bhmdiversion : I have to say that the Undercover Boss episode was great. I'm proud to own RJET stock.
184 Post contains links mariner : For anyone interested, BNET has a seven minute interview with BB about the show and its effect on him: http://www.bnet.com/videos/undercove...ver/4756
185 MCI10 : Yes, we did have Ft Myers last year.
186 alphascan : CO applied to the US DOT for permission to begin weekly Saturday service to Cancun from Austin, San Antonio and Raleigh Feb. 19 aboard a 737-700. Uni
187 Post contains links MostlyAir : Frontier adds/increases seasonal service for MKE-SEA/PHX and IND-CUN. http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5230
188 Post contains images Airport : That's bizarre... I could've sworn I walked by an E-190 (Lucy) during my trip to SEA a few weeks ago that was departing to Milwaukee. That and MKE-SE
189 Oshkosh1 : Yep...Most would assume it was MKE, not realizing that it was really an offshoot of Kimberly Clark Aviation(based at ATW)...Which Tim Hoeksema was pr
190 FL787 : I find this MKE-SEA addition interesting. As far as I can tell, F9 isn't going to have any MKE-west coast service besides these flights. Why not send
191 mariner : Demand? Forward bookings on MKE-DEN-SEA? Tough to know. Also tough to know if this is (these are?) the last additions for the Christmas period. We've
192 mke717spotter : IIRC prior to the F9 transition MKE-PHX used to always be 2x daily, albeit with slightly smaller aircraft.
193 MostlyAir : Well when the seasonal service was announced awhile ago it was planned to fly between May 14 to Sept. 6, 2010. Looking at a couple of the SSIM files
194 GentFromAlaska : If the departure was timed correctly, a daily SEA to ANC using the E90 would be awesome, for no other reason than the 2 x 2 seating gives the ambiance
195 Post contains images SANFan : You took the words right out of my mouth, '787. I especially enjoyed the wording from the quoted article (about the SEA-MKE seasonal service): “We
196 Post contains images mariner : It's all about Q4 - and what happens next year - although MKE-SEA only lightly affects it. Q4 is likely to be last big "transitional" quarter of the
197 Post contains links mariner : And on the subject of the fleet, is there a slight revision to the numbers of A320 coming in? n737if quotes AP as saying: But the previously announce
198 point2point : F9 seems to need to be looking at and getting a few aircraft with more range. Or in the alternative, at least partners with some, and there doesn't se
199 bahadir : The last seasonal service was terminated at the end of Sept. This new seasonal is interesting because unlike all the other ones, this one is day time
200 bjorn14 : And what would you suggest given their current fleet.
201 KGRB : Ahh... the good old days of when YX was the darling of the industry! Tim is a good guy from what I've heard and he certainly did his best at keeping
202 mariner : After a profitable quarter, the big airlines are up to their old tricks - fly everywhere all the time and add more service to a competitor's thin rou
203 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Perhaps because SAN is such an important station to WN relative to SEA, F9 is thinking that it is more likely to see MKE-SEA reduced/dropped by FL/WN
204 JBo : As far as I know, he's enjoying his retirement. A lot of people here and other former YX employees I know like to bash him, but I don't think he was
205 USPIT10L : I've often wondered during my year at YX/F9 what would've happened had Hoeksema done exactly that. I wonder who would've stepped up to the plate and
206 Post contains images KGRB : That's a very accurate assessment, at least from my perspective as an outsider looking in. Unfortunately, the only thing that would've saved YX was t
207 JBo : It's entirely possible that someone with the right vision could have transformed Midwest into a premium-service LCC by restructuring the company in s
208 KGRB : I wonder, were there any serious plans to replace the MD-80 fleet? I had heard stories about YX talking with Airbus and Boeing, but I wonder how seri
209 Post contains images mariner : I had expected that DEN-BKG would do okay but not great after the summer. I was surprised to see that, according to the schedules, it is now the A319
210 JBo : Midwest had plans to order 738s, there was even a press release with a photoshop mockup of a 737 in YX colors. But Midwest could never secure the fin
211 MostlyAir : There are a couple of these models in the office. I will snap a picture of them tomorrow. They're pretty neat, especially in YX livery.
212 NASCARAirforce : I could care less if they are warm or cold as long as they aren't stale. Can't they be donated to a local homeless shelter in Milwaukee or Denver if
213 mariner : I'm not sure what you mean about separate operators. I'm only looking at the Southwest schedule and MKE-MCI, for example, drops from 3 x daily non-st
214 n7371f : Well there are plans to add A319's to the fleet... AerCap is planning on leasing msn 4127 (ex Mexicana) to Frontier as N951FR.
215 Post contains links and images MostlyAir : As promised. Both of these were presented to TH. Tim Hoeksema Congratulations for a turn-around year! Imagine the Possibilities...From your Friends a
216 Post contains images Airport : Here's a rendering of a YX 737-800 I have on my computer. I can't for the life of me remember where it came from, but it looks pretty official, much l
217 JBo : I have from a friend of mine rendering proofs of three variations of the Skyway livery (pre-Midwest Connect) on the ERJ-140.
218 Post contains links and images mariner : As in this thread, the DOT has announced the SCASD grants for this year: DOT Announces The 2010 Scasd Grant Awards (by LAXintl Oct 26 2010 in Civil Av
219 Post contains images KGRB : Thanks MostlyAir and Airport for the images. That is a gorgeous 738! As far as the ERJ-140 goes, I liked the 328 more, so I'm somewhat glad that the E
220 MKENut : I would love to see MKE - CWA return but I think Delta, United and American serve the airport well and that is probably why they have not received a
221 JBo : The ERJ order came about well after the 328s were already on property (those were first delivered in 1999). Given the model and the renderings I have
222 knope2001 : Actually, Central Wisconsin Airport (Mosinee) did get a grant, but not as much as they originally asked for. Their original budget was for $451,500, o
223 USPIT10L : Having worked YX or F9 flights for about two years (YX had contract ground handling in PIT until 2008--I worked them for DGS), I don't miss the 328s
224 mariner : You're right, Knope, of course - I was wrong. I see it now, listed as "Mosinee." Forget I spoke LOL. mariner
225 USPIT10L : An interesting story regarding CWA, when I was in MKE for orientation and training last year, someone was from CWA for Republic. The F9 recruiter had
226 Post contains images KGRB : Oh, thanks for clarifying. Who would of figured that we'd end up seeing 328s, ERJs, *and* CRJs in YX colors? That's like in the league of Delta! That
227 SurfandSnow : F9 won't be the only major LCC serving ANC anymore. I wonder what kind of response they will have (if any) to B6's new LGB-ANC flights. Alaska is a bi
228 bjorn14 : I've seen most airlines market it as Wausau/Stevens Point/Marshfield and even Wisconsin Rapids
229 mariner : I can't think what kind of response there would be. I'd guess LGB-ANC is a different market and JetBlue won't be pulling too much feed from the middl
230 JBo : Well if the ERJ's had come, there most likely would've never been CRJs. The SkyWest contract came about after the ERJ order was canceled. I'm pretty
231 USPIT10L : I haven't seen anyone market CWA as Wisconsin Rapids since the NC/RC days of the '70s and '80s. AA always marketed it as Wausau/Stevens Point, same w
232 MKENut : I believe you are right. Skywest was flying a CRJ on that route for YX.
233 Post contains images bjorn14 : Ooops! Guess I'm showing my age
234 MostlyAir : I don't think the SkyWay employees ever lost their jobs at CWA when YX pulled out. I believe they were doing ground handling for another airline so w
235 thegoldenargosy : Frontier still has employees at CWA, even though Frontier doesn't fly there. I flew into CWA as Chautauqua FA doing American Connection out of ORD, a
236 Post contains links knope2001 : Republic is bidding for EAS routes to Ironwood and Manistee MI from Milwaukee: 2x MKE-MBL with the ER3 2x MKE-IWD with the ER3, with an intermediate s
237 MSYtristar : MCI-MSY is going from E70 to E90 on 12/2. Also, it looks like MSY-DEN will be staying with A319 as opposed to E190 as originally planned. I can see wh
238 JBo : As attractive as this bid is, the last I knew, MBL was not Part 139 certified for scheduled ops with a/c over 30 seats. Unless MBL has recently recer
239 knope2001 : I believe both MBL and IWD pursued this when they went after Mesaba SF3, but I'm not sure where that went. This service is so head-and-shoulders above
240 JBo : As far as I know, MBL's only hurdle is ARFF coverage. I believe IWD has a better handle on this, and I've heard that IWD has everything in place to b
241 MKENut : Good news indeed! I also see they are asking for flexability to use an E145.[Edited 2010-10-27 19:26:47]
242 knope2001 : Mesaba never bid, but both airports courted them and the issue of the 30-seat aircraft limitation was one they pledged to resolve, if I recall correc
243 SurfandSnow : That is great to hear. I was worried that F9 would struggle on the DEN-MSY route against WN and UA/CO, but looks like that is not the case after all.
244 mariner : I think this is an extremely interesting move. All things being equal, it's quite hard for me to think how the DOT could resist it. Since I don't kno
245 Post contains images HermansCVR580 : Well an ERJ is much nicer than a B-1900 that's for sure. From reading the filing that Republic posted about IWD and MBL they posted that they would li
246 JBo : IWD is at a bit of a distance from MKE, and RHI was linked with IWD's routes when Skyway was operating the route. When Skyway shut down, they closed
247 MostlyAir : Ironwood and the area around it would have a hard time filling a plane so a stop in RHI or CWA would help the airline fill those seats for the EAS se
248 knope2001 : Ironwood has a stop enroute to Milwaukee because it is allowed and is the traditional service pattern. Manistee’s current service to their hub (MKE)
249 knope2001 : Back in the 70's and into the early 80's, Rhinelander saw big seasonal adjustments for this very reason. The offseason saw a couple of Convair or D9S
250 JBo : It would be nice if SkyWest generates enough traffic on MKG-ORD to become self-sustaining and no longer require subsidy so we could more easily bring
251 Post contains images HermansCVR580 : When will Republic find out if they have been awarded the EAS flying? I know Great Lakes has wanted out for a long time from this market. Its funny I
252 JBo : Now that the bids are posted, the DOT will allow time for the communities and public to provide feedback as to their preference for a carrier, and af
253 bahadir : I don't know how lucrative it would be and I don't know how much folks in IND are chasing this, but replacing some Great Lakes service with some cheap
254 mariner : I suppose I am mildly surprised Frontier doesn't seem to have a lot of interest in adding anything at IND - only because it is the HQ for Republic. IN
255 JBo : I suppose if RP is granted the EAS contracts for IWD and MBL, this could serve as a litmus test to see how effective the 135 is for running EAS route
256 Post contains links Tigerguy : Hello there, fellow Frontier/Republic/Midwest fans! You will find more space for discussion conveniently located on this thread: New Frontier/Republic
257 USPIT10L : I agree, it's true in states like Pennsylvania too. JST and AOO both will have four lanes all the way to PIT in year or two. That pretty much renders
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