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Passengers Forced To Stand For Five-Hour Flight  
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16010 times:

Came across this on ABC news today..

Russian Airline Ran Out of Seats and Told Passengers to Stand on Recent Trip

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/passeng...sian-airline-ran/story?id=11767101

Mods please delete if this has been posted before.


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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15980 times:

If true, that is ridiculous.

Also ridiculous is the reference to Ryanair in this article. FR maybe a lot of things - and they have looked at these standing seats - but one thing they are not is against the law as this Russian airline allegedly is.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6964 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15764 times:

The article does not say Ryanair is against the law, it says they would like to change the law, like other carriers, I don't see the problem. And the company is regularly convicted (about other things) so I would not paint them as "not against the law", just not against this one.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

Not surprising--on my recent FRU-OSS flight there were a few people in the cargo hold at the rear of the plane. You know, like ya do...


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11724 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15631 times:

It's actually fairly common in backwaters of the world. It's just that because it's nothing special, it doesn't normally get reported.

Fiver hours is a little excessive though.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8978 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15564 times:

What sensationalist title by the journalist, only to then tell us that the passengers were actually given a choice. Either that or he doesn't understand the difference between forcing someone to stand and giving them a choice. Doesn't exonerate the questionable decision by the airline, and by the pax in question, but it's a distinction that must be made. All the worse that these pax apparently can sue the airline.

My first thought was "I'd pull the emergency door" before the flight departs. But then I read the article.



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User currently offlinembe0002 From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12544 times:

A German article said that even turbulances occured during that flight and the seatbelt signs were turned on. I was wondering how many "spare" seats (jump seats for F/As or additional seats in cockpit) a 737 has and if they were taken, too?

User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11850 times:

In the 70th and perhaps also in the 80th many passengers had to sit in the aisles and toilettes on overbooked Turkish charter flights, from Germany to Turkey, on summer holidays.

One reason why also today many Turks want to fly much rather with German airlines.



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User currently offlineCysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Russian Airline

No.. Tartarstan is not part of Russia it 's one of the states of Russia turned into independent countries. So Tartarstan Airlines is not a Russia Airline. The clue is here : http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/10806/


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11724 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8825 times:

Quoting Cysafan (Reply 8):
No.. Tartarstan is not part of Russia it 's one of the states of Russia turned into independent countries. So Tartarstan Airlines is not a Russia Airline. The clue is here : http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/10806/

The Tatarstan Republic is not an independent country, it is a constituent state which is a part of the Russian Federation. Azerbaijan, Georgia etc... are true independent countries, whilst Tatarstan is a part of Russia in a similar way to how Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom.


Dan  



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

If true, I expect the airline will be severely panalized.
No matter what the tour operator suggested, the crew could not allow this.
It's absolutely outrageous.


User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

Yes, the passengers were given a choice in the matter, but they should have never been given the choice. Not sure who is worse here. The airline that actually gave the choice or the people that said they would make the flight.

If I was flying with an airline that allowed more people than seats on board, I think I would be asking to fly a different airline.

David


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 865 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

I would be concerned with the weight issue. Is the a/c out of trim? Or over its MaxGTOW? There are so many variables and things that could go wrong. Nothing strapped down, becomes a missile , the minute it gets rough or the a/c stops suddenly. Uhhhh get me off that plane now! There is no way I would stay on board if I saw that going on.
JD CRPXE



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

This is nothing new, Back in the days of the cold war think in the early or mid 80's an American took a domestic flight in the USSR and video taped passengers standing up during the takeoff and during the flight. It also was a full flight and there was only standing room in the isle. It looked like a bus. It was aired on CNN or ABC cant remember the exact station

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 13):
This is nothing new, Back in the days of the cold war think in the early or mid 80's an American took a domestic flight in the USSR and video taped passengers standing up during the takeoff and during the flight. It also was a full flight and there was only standing room in the isle. It looked like a bus. It was aired on CNN or ABC cant remember the exact station

LOL, that must have been quite the exciting video!

Kind of reminds me of my mom's trip to Pakistan (on PIA) in the late 70s. She was (and still is) a UA f/a, and was shocked to see the way they did things. This was the era before enclosed overhead bins, and while it was UA policy to only allow light items like coats and hats in the overhead "racks", PIA pax were putting up heavy suitcases and other miscellaneous heavy items (we all know how folks from that part of the world travel!) on them. Then when it came time for landing, the flight attendants merely "braced" themselves in the aisles - no jumpseats or other crew restraints for them! I didn't hear of any pax without seats, but still evidence of the fact that other parts of the world didn't (and to some extent still do not) enforce safety to anything close to "Western" standards.



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6621 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
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At least up to the mid 90´s IB allowed the sons and daughters of cabin crew or technical crew to ride in the plane standing up in the galley (or seating down in the floor) on flights that were full on popular routes, such as MAD-JFK. Maybe it wasn´t so much allowing but rather turning a blind eye, but it happened. This was most common during the summer. My source? The sons and daughters of said cabin or technical crew.

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