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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Hey all. I just wanted to know if anyone had this info. What domestic stations are currently staffed by DL employees below wing? I know the obvious which are the hubs but I thought DFW was farmed out to DGS in like '95? Are they back to mainline? What other stations are DL below wing?

Thanks!


What gets measured gets done.
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User currently offlineNWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

LAN, MBS, AZO, TVC are who I can remember from Michigan> FNT, GRR and DTW are all still mainline.

[Edited 2010-10-03 16:06:48]


I miss the Red Tail
User currently offlineDeltaB757TUS From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

I think I read something not to long ago that CVG was going back to mainline, but I could be wrong.


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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Quoting DeltaB757TUS (Reply 2):
I think I read something not to long ago that CVG was going back to mainline, but I could be wrong.

Mainline handled mainline in CVG. 800 Regional Elite people were let go when mainline decided to take back handling of all the regional flying at CVG.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8517 times:

Pretty much anywhere NWA ramp was at the time of the merger, DL Mainline ramp is now. DGS/WFS/GAT/ATS have all lost some stations that they had when they were exclusive to DL. I'm sure the vote coming up will also pay into factor.

User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8515 times:

Didn't DL outsource most of their ramp op's at down line stations in the early 1990''s?

User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8470 times:

Yes, but they didn't need to win a union vote at the time. IND was DGS below wing, but they were booted so the PMNW rampers could continue to work in their NW uniforms. Once the votes are done I hope DL starts enforcing uniforms....

User currently offlineNWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 6):
Yes, but they didn't need to win a union vote at the time. IND was DGS below wing, but they were booted so the PMNW rampers could continue to work in their NW uniforms. Once the votes are done I hope DL starts enforcing uniforms....

Of course, didn't take long for the anti union stuff to be spewed. Tell me, what does NW uniforms have to do with what the original poster wanted? And for what it's worth, I placed my order online roughly 10 months ago for my brand spanking new Delta outfit. When they arrive, and if they are the correct size, something that appears to be a problem with those who have received their new uniforms, I will wear them. And, I am voting yes  



I miss the Red Tail
User currently onlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8210 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
Hey all. I just wanted to know if anyone had this info. What domestic stations are currently staffed by DL employees below wing? I know the obvious which are the hubs but I thought DFW was farmed out to DGS in like '95? Are they back to mainline? What other stations are DL below wing?

Any station that had PMNW people below wing before the merger went back to mainline, off the top of my head, IND, SFO, LAS, DFW, PHL, EWR, DEN, SEA, HNL and more, in fact since most consider DGS outsourcing, DL outsourced more at the time than NW did.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 6):
Yes, but they didn't need to win a union vote at the time. IND was DGS below wing, but they were booted so the PMNW rampers could continue to work in their NW uniforms. Once the votes are done I hope DL starts enforcing uniforms....

What a load of crap that it they were booted so the PMNW could still wear their uniforms, DL even told them to continue to wear their NW uniforms until they decided on new ones.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

ORD was brought back and the outsourced company was booted at MDW and were replaced with mostly PMNW.

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 7):
And for what it's worth, I placed my order online roughly 10 months ago for my brand spanking new Delta outfit.

They sent the pants I ordered! No shirts, but then I didn't get any NW uniforms when I started.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 6):
Yes, but they didn't need to win a union vote at the time. IND was DGS below wing, but they were booted so the PMNW rampers could continue to work in their NW uniforms. Once the votes are done I hope DL starts enforcing uniforms....

And if the union wins those brand spanking new DL uniforms will have an IAM patch.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Appreciate all the info guys!

I had a feeling union stuff would be injected   I have my opinion but doesn't really matter. I just hope that EVERYONE votes, whether it's yes or no.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently onlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 9):
And if the union wins those brand spanking new DL uniforms will have an IAM patch.

Which comes with more vacation time and better benefits.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineN901WA From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

HNL has been a Delta Mainline since the WAL merger back in 1986. I think Servair did Delta before the WAL merger.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 8):
in fact since most consider DGS outsourcing

I do. Sure, they are a Delts subsidiary but still not true Delta ramp rats. So yes, I would specifically include DGS in the list of farmed work. Isn't RDU DGS below wing as well? I always found them to be a 'larger' station. Then again, DFW was once a hub but it was DGS folk that was below wing for 15 years.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 6):
Once the votes are done I hope DL starts enforcing uniforms....

It's hard to enforce Delta uniform guidelines when some employees don't have them.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Isn't RDU DGS below wing as well?

I don't know if it's DGS, but it's definitely outsourced. NW didn't have people there either. At this point, with the exception of SLC, CVG, and SJU, if the station didn't have PMNW ramp, it's outsourced. I don't think DL has brought back their own people in stations that didn't have NW people below wing.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinerampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

Well if I may be so blunt, DGS is a shit-hole company and refuses to pay their employees fairly. Which is why you will continue to have a/c and ground equipment damage and not get intelligent people to work for them.

User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

PVD below wing is contracted to Aramark - they also do curbside & passenger assistance. Mainline does ticket counter, gate and BSO.

User currently offlineT5towbar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 560 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Not to take the thread off kilter, but I wanted to ask the DL/NW rampers on integration.
I know there were some posts about how if the stations which didn't have ML employees below wing, they were going to remained farmed out. But I heard that DL were going to bring back more ML to those farmed out stations.

A while back, someone posted the scenarios on what would happen if PMDL & PMNW were at the same station (above and below), that station would remain status quo until final merger. In other words, how are you guys coming along in your situation? (I'm not even going to ask or mention about the upcoming vote, or the addition of Ready Reserves - I don't want to take the topic off thread) I'm curious on how you two groups and management are coming along, and is there any movement allowed where your seniority can "bump in" a station that needs staffing. Plus with above wing in the mix, it is a lot of variables in play as well.

I guess one of the reasons why the OP asked, is because of the two upcoming mergers (UA/CO & WN/FL), a lot of people would like to know how you guys are doing it and is it successful? I don't know what life is in an outstation, but mergers like these do bring some concern to guys who work in a station, especially lower seniority guys.

If it is successful and a lot of stuff doesn't get farmed out, it seems like a template for what happens with us.
Just a thought.........



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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

Quoting rampguy (Reply 15):

I second that RampGuy!!!   


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 6):
Once the votes are done I hope DL starts enforcing uniforms....

Tell ya what; as soon as mine come, I'll get right on that for you. And, no, the cheap T-shirts they keep plying us with don't count.

"Clean Planes & Dirty Martinis?" We don't offer either...

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 7):
Of course, didn't take long for the anti union stuff to be spewed. Tell me, what does NW uniforms have to do with what the original poster wanted? And for what it's worth, I placed my order online roughly 10 months ago for my brand spanking new Delta outfit. When they arrive, and if they are the correct size, something that appears to be a problem with those who have received their new uniforms, I will wear them. And, I am voting yes

  

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):
I don't think DL has brought back their own people in stations that didn't have NW people below wing.

Correct, which begs the question: If DL now thinks insourcing is the greatest thing ever, where the heck have they been?

Here's the PMNW list, BTW:

MSP DTW
MEM HNL
IND IAD
LGA PDX
ORD JFK
LAX ANC
MCO PHX
MKE TPA
DCA DFW
LAS BNA
SEA BWI
ATL MSN
BOS MDW
EWR STL
MCI CMH
DEN RSW
GRR FLL
PHL GRB
SFO FNT
IAH MSY



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 19):
If DL now thinks insourcing is the greatest thing ever, where the heck have they been?

That's what I think is interesting. It's great that they plan on keeping the PMNW 40, but why stop there? Look at a station like CLT. CLT has 30 plus departures to every hub but SLC. Why not insource a station with that level of service?



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 9):
And if the union wins those brand spanking new DL uniforms will have an IAM patch No way!!!! VOTE NO!! I am and many at my station are....we including many old timers on the ramp just like it the way it is! It may not be what the NW guys like but i've been fine for 16yrs why change and cost our company more money!!
[quote=burnsie28,reply=11]Which comes with more vacation time and better benefits.

Which brings LAZYNESS and im good on the Benefits,plus our flying benefits are one the best in the industry which is why a lot of people are working here in the first place.So can you promise that those Flying benefits won't change for the worst like some other legacies have there flying benefits setup?


User currently onlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 21):
Which brings LAZYNESS and im good on the Benefits,plus our flying benefits are one the best in the industry which is why a lot of people are working here in the first place.So can you promise that those Flying benefits won't change for the worst like some other legacies have there flying benefits setup?

Flying benefits have nothing to do with the Union and a Union contract, just like at NW Pilots don't get more of a certain pass than other areas of employees. If it brings lazyness, why was NW considered one of the most productive airlines in the industry. One example is compare how planes and crews were scheduled at NW prior to the merger.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 21):
Flying benefits won't change for the worst like some other legacies have there flying benefits setup?

Pass travel is a corporate policy, not a negotiated item.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 21):
So can you promise that those Flying benefits won't change for the worst like some other legacies have there flying benefits setup?

I can't imagine they would... PAFCA and ALPA represented employees get just the same pass travel benefits that the rest of us do, for example.



Hey Swifty
25 Post contains images ericaasen : I can't speak for any other stations but at ORD integration has been bumpy, but not catastrophic. Any bumpiness is just from two different companies
26 flyibaby : Don't pigeon hole an entire workforce and call them unintelligent. There are many, many people working for these companies that have years of backrou
27 rampguy : First of all, I never worked for NW. And second, my comments are based from first hand experience as to what I've had to deal with. So I stand behind
28 dlflynhayn : Again i'll ask the question! Can you GURANTEE that once a Union comes in it won't change my flying benefits even if it was down the road sometime..Or
29 Cubsrule : Inertia, I think. DL doesn't believe that in-house ground handling is worth much (and hasn't for a long time). Bringing the PMNW back in house was al
30 KingAir200 : Which is the most important thing. We took over the whole operation in my city from Regional Elite, so there was no PMDL mainline presence, but we ha
31 TOMMY767 : EWR too. Every time I'm there the check in staff could not be less eager to help you out and there are never any redcoats around.
32 DeltAirlines : RDU is mainline above wing and DGS below wing. I believe RDU just missed that 49 flights/week cutoff that NW had when it came to deciding mainline or
33 ericaasen : They were probably using a DL towbar cause all of their equipment is crap. Is that what you want? Jesus I'm getting sick of every single thread about
34 Post contains images deltal1011man : No. If Some bean counter said its better to pull the benefits then they are gone, union or no union. No flying is part of any airline CBA. Now, I wou
35 Cubsrule : I was an NW elite when NW outsourced stations like CLT. I KNOW there's a definite quality aspect.
36 T5towbar : Before you lock the thread, I just wanted to know how are your integration plans were coming along? It seems that there must be a gulf between the two
37 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I truly don't get the back and forth. Ultimately, they're all D E L T A employees. The union will be decided shorty and that should put everything to
38 dlflynhayn : So how come i've only done it once in my 16yrs if our equipment is crap? i guess i must be that good,i mean i was one of the few that felt comfortabl
39 ericaasen : Way to miss the point there. Of course their equipment isn't crap, you were looking for a fight and I responded to the bait to help prove my point th
40 nwaesc : You'll have to ask them; I wasn't there.
41 F9Animal : The integration of both cultures is going to be interesting. NW employees were just rotten to Republic employees. In fact, the animosity still runs th
42 deltal1011man : Thats not really true. You have to ask your self this. Stations like DFW that got ramp back does Delta send that back out to DGS once they get a no v
43 goldenstate : Totally misguided statement on your part. DL would not take on the massive cost of bring ramps back in house unless there was value for that added ex
44 NW : 16 years and you're so worried about pass travel??? Wow, most of us with that many years are worried about things such as work rules, retirement, ben
45 Cubsrule : Then - again - why not insource a station like CLT, where the station size is well above where NW found the break-even point to be cost-wise?
46 NW : You're correct it did not help, however we voted on that decision. And the decision was far better than what NW originally proposed. Why? Because our
47 Post contains images deltal1011man : You want to point out that rule to me? I think this may be a you need to KMA kinda thing, but if you have a rule I'll pull my post. And PS, I didn't
48 burnsie28 : I would disagree, what happened was the employees got to vote on it, NW wanted more outsourcing of the work than what happened, the union in this cas
49 Surprise : Interesting. I have been with DL a lot of years and I have never heard that this is what DL wants to avoid. And why shouldn't the flight benefits be
50 Post contains images dlflynhayn : Will i would but i work early morning,i don't see too many of the NW guys on the pm shift cause im gone buy lunch time.
51 goldenstate : I never said you should pull your post. I am trying to understand your background to try to figure out why you think DL would do that. Your logic mak
52 FlyASAGuy2005 : For what it's worth, most RR guys are being brought on full-time anyway. Some may not like the philosophy but it seems to work. In they end, they are
53 dlflynhayn : Your wrong!! Hello of course i need that paycheck and i work hard for it! please read other posts or just ask any DL employee about there flying priv
54 Surprise : Epic fail? Yep is was bumpy but I hardly call having a single quarter record profit and 260 million set aside for profit sharing an epic failure.
55 lucky777 : Perhaps in ATL and maybe even JFK.....but i can assure that's not the case in most cities. My city has 50 R/R's below wing, the most senior having ar
56 acidradio : Folks, this discussion is starting to go off-topic. The topic is about DL stations which do or do not utilize outsourced ramp services. Not surprising
57 nwaesc : If this past summer was only "bumpy" in your mind, I'd hate to see your definition of "turbulent."
58 goldenstate : How exactly do you think that a quarter in which the company recorded a 11.5% operating margin and 16% year on year RASM improvement is an "epic fail
59 NW : Yeah, not happening at my station either. We lost 9 FT/PT over the last year and have only replaced them with RR and have not upgraded any RR. The wr
60 nwaesc : We made money despite ourselves. If you honestly think this summer wasn't that big of deal, then you're out of touch with what was happening out in t
61 tu154m : Judging by what NW management did with their AMFA mechanics in 2004/2005(I can't remember.........they pretty much hired scabs to replace them after t
62 deltal1011man : I didn't say I think they would do that, I said it wouldn't shock me. Not the same thing. It wouldn't shock me if Delta adds ATL-TXL this year.....bu
63 skyguyB727 : Am I in some kind of parallel universe here? I thought the company hired me to do a job, not just soak up all the benefits. Yes, the benefits are a n
64 flyibaby : I think alot of the RR hiring is merely to wait and see what is happening with the Union vote. In cities that had no NW personnel, mine for an exampl
65 stratosphere : I beg to differ on that..ANY workgroup can be replaced even the pilots IF a company is hell bent and spends millions and several years preparing for
66 FlyASAGuy2005 : My thoughts is actually the exact opposite. This is all our personal opinion but I don't see the IAM winning over the folks on this one. Just from wh
67 nwaesc : All the more reason for the consistency of a CBA. That's back of the envelope math to be sure, but it's pretty close.
68 nwaesc : Just went and looked... Eligible voters (FT, PT and Ready Reserve): PMDL: 9,366 PMNW: 4,717
69 ocracoke : Those are some amazing numbers. From reading many posts on anet, one would think that DL had outsourced its entire ramp, and the good IAM bent over b
70 nwaesc : Other points to take into consideration: NW was a smaller carrier. DL numbers include "casual" employees (Ready Reserve), PMNW do not. DL had outsourc
71 dlflynhayn : I"ve been hearing the same here at my station! its kinda 50-50 on the Ramp but upstairs looks like there going non-union IMHO... Wow didn't know we w
72 dlflynhayn : You might be! Not going to answer that again and again,but you might have to ask yourself would you even fill out an application for a airline that w
73 Post contains images dlflynhayn : Wow this airline industry has changed with comments like that wow! So you saying just cause a lot of us love flying were not good workers? wow maybe
74 Post contains images KingAir200 : Yet at NW we had 40 cities to choose from, which was cool. Say big city life isn't for you. Bid into GRB if there's an opening. Like the Pacific Nort
75 FlyASAGuy2005 : Is the current TDY program at DL a new thing? (PMDL please asnwer if you know).
76 nwaesc : That my be the case if either of us could predict how people will actually vote. No one said it'd be a leisurely stroll...
77 KingAir200 : I'm sure it's not, but the point was 40 stations offered more locations for opportunities.
78 FlyASAGuy2005 : I understand where you're coming from but many don't look at things 3 dimensionally. They will see the numbers a make a decision (just one example of
79 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : No, if you would read what he is saying, he is saying that if flying is your main/sole purpose for working at an airline you shouldn't be here. There
80 ocracoke : If the new majority happen to be from the PMDL side of the aisle, then they (PMDL side) will get what they want, no? The numbers above really wont le
81 nwaesc : No. WE (as in both PM sides) will work together to craft a joint T/A that meets the needs of the newly combined group.
82 ocracoke : I don't think you are understanding the point I'm trying to make. For example, I know that you and several other PMNW employees on here really like t
83 binmonster : Which will it be ? what the majority wants? just a reflection of their wishes .......what does that mean? How a small group interprets the views the
84 nwaesc : I understood your intent the first time you posted, and answered accordingly. You realize that there won't be a "PM" title anymore, right? After all,
85 binmonster : Spoken like a true politician, avoid the point being made. We all work for the same company, however PMNW covered by their contract and PMDL covered
86 binmonster : I'm not sure that the IAM will honor the views of the majority. They will take care of their cronies while enjoying the dues of the majority.
87 Post contains images dlflynhayn : I can read that's why i answered it the way i did! ......
88 lucky777 : Not to sound like a jerk....but all you put forth is innuendo and worthless assumptions with absolutely no factual proof of anything you say. You mus
89 binmonster : OK "you failed at your attempt" REF: dictionary.reference.com Slang . a contemptibly naive, fatuous, foolish, or inconsequential person. All I did is
90 rampguy :
91 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Ok...to steer things back on topic before they decide to shut us down I have a few questions. With the current landscape of stations that are now DL e
92 ocracoke : No, you skirted the issue. Which gets me to ponder if you've never even thought of this possibility (as in, the IAM after the election will look tota
93 ericaasen : I'd hate to say this, since I want to stay out of the endless union/non-union debate raging, I think that IF the union is voted in that DL would not
94 Post contains images nwaesc : IMO, Seniority will be the biggest sticking point going forward, regardless of vote outcome(s). You sure do enjoy making assumptions, don't you? No,
95 binmonster : Quote: However the IAM would not ingage the issues of seniorty two years ago. I understand why would the risk taking a position on seniorty. Just keep
96 nwaesc : It's "NWAESC," thanks... And, yeah, we did hear that. It wasn't from the IAM, but rather PMDL employees on the ground there (same story with FLL, at t
97 Cubsrule : It would be easy for DL to make Aramark or any other contracted ground handler care more about performance metrics. All they need to do is pay the ha
98 rampguy : I give it about 2 years and then you will see all of the smaller stations like IND,CMH,BNA go back to out sourcing the ramp.
99 goldenstate : DL has ACS above wing personnel in every year round mainline domestic station. Way more opportunities than NW in terms of geographic diversity and va
100 FlyASAGuy2005 : My kid brother is a product of this. He started on the ramp and did the A&P thing on his off days and nights. He just got his license a few month
101 Post contains images ocracoke : Ha! Ha! You're funny! You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a rat's behind in the whole matter. This is your peoples fight. I have nothi
102 binmonster : Someone help me out.....What is so great about the IAM pension plan for a NW employee? The NW pension plan has been frozen since 2006. So NW IAM empl
103 Post contains images nwaesc : Me too... AW, yes. BW, not so much... You can transfer between classifications if you want to. That includes doing TDY's. Seniority *always* is, no m
104 Cubsrule : If that's true, why did DL do nothing but outsource, outsource, outsource prior to the merger?
105 binmonster : FACTORED IAM PAID LUNCH, what? Ok Atrilce SIX states that you get a paid 30 minute paid lunch at the mid point of your shift and two 10 minute rest p
106 nwaesc : Here's how I look at it (YMMV): $19.68 x 8= $157.44 $157.44 / 7.5= $20.99 PMDL Top rate (prior to 10/1): $3354.28 $3354.28/173.3 (BTW, that's what you
107 FlyASAGuy2005 : Do you keep your bidding rights? I think you answered your own question but what time period specifically are you talking about?
108 nwaesc : If you already have seniority established in that classification, yes. If you do not have them already, your "date" will be the day the position was
109 Cubsrule : Any time prior to the merger - was there any point at which the number of Delta-handled stations INCREASED?
110 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Ok because that could have been a 80+ year time frame j/k. But yes, I will say that it is a different company, different time, different leadership.
111 airtechy : nwaesc....I don't agree with your position vis a vis the union, but I must say you seem to present your case in a positive manner. Let' s hope that De
112 binmonster : Spot on thats the pay right for a topped out CSA 3354.28 $19.36 an hours base pay for an agent before the 10/1 raise. Same as you make as a LEAD ESC.
113 KingAir200 : I was speaking from a ramp perspective, which is where I work. I love being around airplanes. Not so much dealing with passengers. As such, having 40
114 Post contains images nwaesc : I know about these. You asked what I based mine point on, and it was base rates. DG override is irrelevant, since I don't work in a freight facility.
115 Post contains images nwaesc : By the way, for those that might be wondering about why NW does seniority by classification, as opposed to DOH: it's been brought up several times be
116 srbmod : At this point, this thread is being locked because it has gone well off-topic. The user was asking about what DL stations were outsourced below wing.
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