Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AA Route Announcement On Wednesday (Rumor)  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29990 times:

Let the rumors start flying: reliable sources, and as mentioned on other threads by various posters, say that AA will have a "major" announcement on Wednesday regarding long-haul flying. At this point the rumors are reliable enough and announcement close enough that I figure a thread is in order.

Among the rumors are two new trans-Atlantic routes from O'Hare, one new point-to-point route from London Heathrow, five new trans-Atlantic routes from JFK, one new South American route from JFK, as well as, more specifically, Dallas-Seoul, Miami-Asunción, Miami-Barcelona and Miami-Santiago-Cordoba.

Now what is unclear to me is if AA is going to spread out announcements throughout the fall or just going to do it in one big bang. It is my understanding that the announcements will be spread out, and Wednesday will just be related to O'Hare, but I'd like to be shown wrong.

Station employees at MIA, ORD and JFK have already been told to expect a major announcement regarding long-haul flying in the coming weeks and excitement/anxiousness is building.

Usual caveat applies: its a rumor for now, nothing is certain until the announcement and, obviously, while there are a lot of rumors right now, I doubt everything mentioned/speculated will become reality as AA finalizes this fall what it wants to focus on in 2011.


a.
205 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 30059 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Miami-Santiago-Cordoba.

What's the thinking on doing this as a tag rather than as a nonstop? MIA-COR seems like a good 752 candidate.

I assume SCL-COR will carry the LA code - do AA and LA have ATI on fifth freedom flights?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 30057 times:

My question is where are they getting the aircraft from?

I would expect something lackluster, as usual from AA. ORD-BHX, JFK-GLA or the like. Another 75L route.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 30051 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 2):
Another 75L route.

If AA is going to start a 3500 mile route, why does use of a 75L make it lackluster?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 30022 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
What's the thinking on doing this as a tag rather than as a nonstop? MIA-COR seems like a good 752 candidate.

COR is a coach-heavy market and SCL has very light (often 60-65%) loads in the northern summer, but is premium heavy year-round.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
I assume SCL-COR will carry the LA code - do AA and LA have ATI on fifth freedom flights?

AA does have 5th freedom rights from Chile and Argentina.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 2):
My question is where are they getting the aircraft from?

No more troop charters to eat into widebody utilization, and the equivalent of, IIRC, 9 unused 75L frames. Not to mention AA's long-haul fleet is generally underutilized as is.

Of course, there are always the pilot rumors that AA will acquire some additional lift second-hand, but I don't put weight on that.



a.
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 30020 times:

simply nothing exciting.

ORD-ICN = exciting
ORD-GLA = lackluster


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29947 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
one new point-to-point route from London Heathrow

Could it be a 757 from Hartford to LHR ?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29922 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
COR is a coach-heavy market and SCL has very light (often 60-65%) loads in the northern summer, but is premium heavy year-round.

Makes sense - hopefully LA will retime their existing service so they don't have flights on top of each other.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29918 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
two new trans-Atlantic routes from O'Hare

Hmm.. I wonder if they are truly "NEW" or are they "Re-instated but let's call them new".. interesting..

Anywho, I'm gonna cry sour grapes since none are gonna be in the Tarheel country..

But, if I had to guess.. I would wonder about BDL-LHR being the P2P on the 75L..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29914 times:

I would ideally hope for over the next 18-24 months:

Atlantic

New York JFK-Amsterdam / daily 75L
New York JFK-Budapest / 5x weekly 763
New York JFK-Frankfurt / daily 75L
New York JFK-Glasgow / daily 75L
New York JFK-Moscow / daily 763
New York JFK-Stockholm / daily 75L

Detroit-London Heathrow / daily 75L
Hartford-London Heathrow / daily 75L
Pittsburgh-London Heathrow / daily 75L

Boston-Madrid / daily 75L
Washington Dulles-Madrid / daily 75L

Pacific

Chicago-Hong Kong / daily 777
Dallas/Fort Worth-Seoul / daily 777
Los Angeles-Nagoya / daily 763
Los Angeles-Osaka / daily 763

Latin America

Miami-Asunción-Cordoba / daily 75L
New York JFK-Bogotá / daily 757

Now, I know full well that most of that will not be happening anytime soon, if ever, but, nonetheless, it's what I'd hope for ...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29926 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Hmm.. I wonder if they are truly "NEW" or are they "Re-instated but let's call them new".. interesting..

Unless two of the announced routes are JFK-FRA (which I think is a given) and ORD-GLA, I'm going to go with "NEW."



a.
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29702 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Pittsburgh-London Heathrow / daily 75L

Hmm.. I wonder about this one.. AA got really @itchy when DL was gonna start RDU-CDG and forced RDUAA to pull the subsidy for the route. Would they do the route without a subsidy, knowing DL IS getting a subsidy for CDG?

Same for BDL.. would AA be expecting a subsidy?

If not, then I think DL should announce RDU-CDG/FRA flight the next day and take the subsidies being offered..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29572 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
Hmm.. I wonder about this one.. AA got really @itchy when DL was gonna start RDU-CDG and forced RDUAA to pull the subsidy for the route. Would they do the route without a subsidy, knowing DL IS getting a subsidy for CDG?

Same for BDL.. would AA be expecting a subsidy?

If not, then I think DL should announce RDU-CDG/FRA flight the next day and take the subsidies being offered..

My personal opinion is that the strength of the local market would be enough to sustain a nonstop flight from any one of these markets - Hartford, Pittsburgh, Raleigh/Durham, etc. - versus a flight to Paris or Frankfurt, regardless of subsidies that likely won't be around forever for one route/airline versus another in any given market anyway. For virtually every single major U.S. city, the largest O&D market in Europe is London - capturing such a large local market gives AA/BA an immediate leg-up in competing for passengers and, of course, Heathrow isn't exactly a small hub either when it comes to connections.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29576 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Chicago-Hong Kong / daily 777

Isn't that a bit long for a 77E? It's a hole, but CX may need to do it.

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Los Angeles-Nagoya / daily 763

What's the business case for LAX-NGO? I can see KIX (similar to UA at SFO), but NGO is a tougher nut to crack.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
Same for BDL.. would AA be expecting a subsidy?

IIRC, BDL-AMS had some help with landing fees and the like but no subsidy; AA is unlikely to expect a subsidy when one was not forthcoming for the AMS service.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29513 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):

I agree, but even if the numbers suggest that, my county (Allegheny) is stupid enough to pull the plug on PITCDG and no one else will EVER get another subisidized route to Europe from PIT. I would love to see PITLHR on AA, but I doubt the county will spring for additional subsidized routes, even though there is significant demand for additional services here.  



It's a Great Day for Hockey!
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29469 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Los Angeles-Nagoya / daily 763
Los Angeles-Osaka / daily 763

Both of those seem like great destinations to codeshare with JL on....I think AA has more pressing routes to use their current 763s on though


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29467 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
I agree, but even if the numbers suggest that, my county (Allegheny) is stupid enough to pull the plug on PITCDG and no one else will EVER get another subisidized route to Europe from PIT. I would love to see PITLHR on AA, but I doubt the county will spring for additional subsidized routes, even though there is significant demand for additional services here.

How is any of that AA's problem?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29425 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Pittsburgh-London Heathrow / daily 75L

So Delta gets like 50% loads on this route and has to take the full amount of money to keep it going and AA/BA are going to start LHR? Is this one of those with ATI AA will take over the world kinds of thing or did you not know the PIT-CDG is bleeding money faster than the city can put into it? LON is a larger market I agree but if CDG does as bad as it does WITH money holding it up I don't see how you think PIT-LHR will work without any extra money.

But good news for AA is once PIT stops paying, Delta would let them bleed all on there own.  
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Isn't that a bit long for a 77E?

Yes, It is really long with Trent 892s v the 895s of Delta.



yep.
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29277 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
COR is a coach-heavy market and SCL has very light (often 60-65%) loads in the northern summer, but is premium heavy year-round.

Makes sense - hopefully LA will retime their existing service so they don't have flights on top of each other.

LA SCL-COR-SCL flights do not operate on top of each other. This November, LA 952 departs SCL at 09:10 4x weekly (A320), and LA 942 departs SCL at 14:20 daily (A320).


User currently offlinepgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29235 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 17):
So Delta gets like 50% loads on this route
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 17):
or did you not know the PIT-CDG is bleeding money faster than the city can put into it?

And who told you all of these "facts"? While the full subsidy has been necessary, it is because of lower fares necessary to remain competitive over the past few years, not because of low load factors.

Overall, I agree that once the subsidy runs out, DL will be pulling PIT-CDG. AA PIT-LHR would work with the same subsidy due to the much larger O/D market and the much easier connections at LHR vs. CDG. (CDG is a horrible maze) The only risk AA would be taking is the fact that PIT is a major Star FF-base and One World does not have much of a presence here.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29215 times:

How about MIA-CPT/JNB for example. Is Africa totally out of the question for AA?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29188 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
the strength of the local market would be enough to sustain a nonstop flight from any one of these markets - Hartford, Pittsburgh, Raleigh/Durham, etc. - versus a flight to Paris or Frankfurt, regardless of subsidies that likely won't be around forever for one route/airline versus another in any given market anyway.

Okay... so RDU-LHR has been around for, like, 10 or 12 years and there is still a subsidy. It is a well established route but AA still get theirs.. not sure how much they get, but the running postulation is that they do get theres.. AND they get extra because they do make a profit on top of the subsidy..

So it would be very hard to believe that the ATI LHR flights mention would not require a subsidy. RDU probably has one of the best London ties of all the 2nd tier markets and it is still subsidized..

But my point is that if AA announce any of these, then DL has the right to re-announce CDG with a subsidy and AA be damned.. I could see DL on CDG with a 752.. alas, not sure how they would do FRA as it's not a partner hub nor would the 752 work.. US nor UA I could see doing it.. *sigh*



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineunitedtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29189 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Isn't that a bit long for a 77E? It's a hole, but CX may need to do it.

UA did it with the 77E briefly on a second daily flight to HKG before they moved the frequency's to LAX

-m

  


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29125 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Isn't that a bit long for a 77E? It's a hole, but CX may need to do it.

A 777ER could do it just fine.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
What's the business case for LAX-NGO?

NGO sits in the heart of one of the densest and wealthiest economic zones on earth - the region surrounding Nagoya is home to some of the world's largest corporations and is basically the industrial heartland of Japan, itself the world's third largest economy. And, at the moment, this absolutely massive market has only a single daily nonstop flight to the U.S., and 0 to the West Coast. I think a daily 767 would work just fine in this market.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
I would love to see PITLHR on AA, but I doubt the county will spring for additional subsidized routes, even though there is significant demand for additional services here.

That is my point, though: I think that the strength of the LHR hub, plus the larger (relative to, say, Paris) local market could sustain a daily (maybe 5x weekly in the winter) 757.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 15):
Both of those seem like great destinations to codeshare with JL on....I think AA has more pressing routes to use their current 763s on though

Not sure if JAL has the planes for this - but AA does have spare 767 capacity.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 17):
So Delta gets like 50% loads on this route and has to take the full amount of money to keep it going and AA/BA are going to start LHR? Is this one of those with ATI AA will take over the world kinds of thing or did you not know the PIT-CDG is bleeding money faster than the city can put into it? LON is a larger market I agree but if CDG does as bad as it does WITH money holding it up I don't see how you think PIT-LHR will work without any extra money.

Sarcasm aside, no, this isn't a "AA will take over the world" kind of thing. This is a Pittsburgh is a large market and LHR is a massive hub kind of thing.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29037 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):

Sarcasm aside, no, this isn't a "AA will take over the world" kind of thing. This is a Pittsburgh is a large market and LHR is a massive hub kind of thing.

I just don't see how DL fails on it, and I mean they fail BAD. Like i said they took 100% of the money they could get for the city and even with LON being a bigger market and LHR being a large hub(but I'm not sure which hub is larger AF/CDG or BA/LHR) I just don't see how BA/AA can fly it on there own. (because I'm going to bet money there is no way on earth PIT has the money to pay them the same amount as Delta. IIRc Delta is getting 2-3M per year but I may be off)



yep.
25 commavia : I was making the point that LHR would tend to have an advantage over CDG regardless of whether any specific airline, route, market, etc. has or doesn
26 deltal1011man : I was under the understanding that LAX-PVG the only route the would be adding from LAX this year. (If they were adding KIX and or NGO I would thing t
27 ERJ170 : Actually, AA is stopping them by pressuring the RTRP (Research Triangle Regional Partnership - the "Bank" for the subsidize routes LHR, CDG, FRA) tha
28 BD338 : lackluster or not, I would welcome that route back, I flew it back in the 767 days (was it a -3 or a -2 I can't recall). AA has a relatively weaker T
29 smoot4208 : The thing with BHX is that outside NYC, most of the traffic is going to LAS and Florida. US found that out and I'm sure AA found this out as well. OR
30 commavia : So obviously RDU has decided that it's not worth pissing off AA, and potentially losing LHR nonstops, in order to subsidize CDG. That's RTRP's choice
31 sydscott : Given AA's past record I'd say adding JFK/DFW - PVG along with ORD-HKG and DFW-ICN would be more along their strategy lines. Like what they have done
32 ERJ170 : We will just have to wait and see what is announced and then I'll let you know what I'm talking about. But anywho, back to the topic at hand.. I wond
33 Tan Flyr : Perhaps then an opportunity for AA to work on that..mainline back to ORD, or at least CR7 service, ditto for MIA, if needed combine a mainline with C
34 commavia : I would tend to agree, in general, that AA usually prefers concentrating flights in big foreign markets with multiple daily flights to AA U.S. hubs.
35 Post contains images USAirALB : This is a bizare route, but how did LGW-BNA perform in the hub days? I think IND-LHR may have a shot... and in my wildest dreams...CLT-LHR
36 smoot4208 : That will happen some day once US switches its LGW flight to LHR....AA even with ATI would never start LHR-CLT
37 LAXdude1023 : Rumors are flying about MIA-BCN, DFW-ICN, ORD-HKG/BHX, and JFK-ARN.
38 Post contains links PITrules : When Delta's PIT-CDG flight started, the Allegheny County Chief Executive stated the same incentive program offered to DL would be made available to
39 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : I would love to see an AA MIA-JNB/CPT flight. They have the hub in the perfect location to make this flight work. Is the PIT and BDL all speculation o
40 kevindca : I would love to see AA taking over BWI-LHR on the 757. With the end of BWI-SJU in April and the likely end of IAD-SJU, this would keep the DCA interna
41 GSP psgr : As a current Pittsburgher, I think it will likely not be us, though our economy has held up better than most other places, and the Marcellus Shale act
42 SCL767 : AA should eventually launch MIA-YOW mainline, at least seasonally IMO. MIA-BCN is a given, hopefully operated by AA. ORD-HKG is a must for AA. Also,
43 TWA902fly : And compete against a daily A330 and daily 767-400 between two Skyteam hubs? (As well as a Transaero 747-400) I wonder if they'd really be able to ma
44 SCL767 : IMO, yes especially since Russia's leading domestic carrier, S7 will become a full member of oneworld on 11/15/10.
45 flymia : After eliminating BDL and PIT I think DTW is the best guess. CLT does not make much sense, BWI? Maybe take over for BA, PHL? There are a lot of optio
46 TWA902fly : Good point. I had forgotten about this. Thanks for the reminder. '902
47 johruk : OK, to throw in something a bit random, how about them replacing CO on the NYC-BRS route? I seem to remember that some time ago when BRS were looking
48 AVLAirlineFreq : It did okay. Not great, and it was not subsidized a la the RDU flight to LON today. But its biggest challenge was that it didn't start until 1994, ju
49 columba : Given the recent code share agreement with AB I believe Berlin will be one of the two routes. AB will fly to JFK from Berlin, code share with AA so n
50 bobnwa : Come on now, 50% loads. Kind of a major exageration on your part.
51 LAXdude1023 : Even with the rumors, I would not be surprised if the new routes are strictly European. That seems to be what is most immenent now. However, AA may g
52 runway23 : There are only so many cities AA can conceivably fly to in Europe: I'd say the most important cities in terms of lack of coverage are: -Amsterdam -Mun
53 enilria : I've been saying in other threads that the ORD situation is going to get very ugly and this will probably be another shot across the bow. I expect th
54 mcmax : Isn't Toyota based near Nagoya? I seem to recall hearing that a while back. All of the Japanese auto manufacturers have U.S. headquarters/design faci
55 commavia : Yes. Toyota global headdquarters is in the Nagoya region, and I believe Toyota's U.S. headquarters is in Torrance - so yes, I would think that would
56 Seatback : Could you explain a little more? Unless there is a capacity shift (i.e. the drawdown of CLE) where is the economy of scale coming from? Things would
57 AJMIA : I have heard the rumor from a couple people in different departments that a merger is going to be announced on Wed. Not really sure what to make of it
58 flymia : Now that is out of the blue. Another thing to speculate on. US, B6 or AS? Which one could it be! I doubt that is going to happen soon IMO. But I woul
59 ssides : But all of these cities are covered by the new JV. I don't disagree -- it's almost certain that the new AA cities in Europe will come from that list.
60 elmothehobo : Pretty much, except Nissan moved their US HQ from SoCal to Nashville a few years back. AA isn't leaving O'Hare. This isn't Seattle, San Jose, Raleigh
61 columba : AB will fly TXL-JFK beginning May 2011, later it will be BER - JFK as soon as the new airport will open up.
62 exFATboy : Regarding new LHR service from PIT (or anywhere else), does AA have any LHR slots available? I also have to agree that MIA-BCN is a given at this poin
63 pvd757 : I'll put my vote in for the P2P route to be BDL-LHR as well.
64 commavia : Remember, now with ATI and the JV, there are no AA slots or BA slots at LHR - it's all one pool. The two can intermingle and coordinate their slot us
65 DLBOIFIN : How about JFK-HEL or ORD-HEL? AA would be the only US carrier on an underserved market and it would be between two OW hubs. Five times / week would wo
66 AA787 : Finnair already takes care of this one.
67 Fleet Service : There won't be a merger announcement Wednesday, nor will there be one until the issue of the labor contracts are resolved. Although to play Advocate's
68 UALWN : Living now near Barcelona, I would love to see new intercontinental service added to the airport. However, I fail to see why is MIA-BCN a given. What
69 WA707atMSP : UA would be foolish to try to push AA out of ORD. If AA downsized ORD, AA's gates would be snapped up instantly by B6, VX, and others. UA is better o
70 deltal1011man : No, its just not remembering. All I knew for sure was they had to take the full amount of money the city of PIT would give them for the year(IIRC its
71 flymia : All of those, plus a large spanish population that lives in South Florida. Also the two cities have buisness ties. The two cities are bound to have a
72 UALWN : I wasn't aware of that population. And are they interested in BCN or rather in MAD? As for my three examples, I was actually being facetious: South/C
73 Cubsrule : I know the schedule. It's about a 3-4 hour turn SCL-COR-SCL and will be operated by a separate crew, so AA has a lot of scheduling flexibility. My po
74 ojas : Does anyone know what sort of restrictions are imposed on AA's B772ER doing ORD - DEL?
75 enilria : Well obviously, yes CLE. Any rational person knows CLE is going away and also UA has to give up EWR slots to WN. We already know from the California
76 SCL767 : IMO, MIA-BCN has enough potential to fill the front cabin on flights to/from MIA. There is enough O&D to fill the back of the cabin. AA/BA/IB ATI
77 Post contains images commavia : So what you're telling me is that AA is going to launch a daily 763 LAX-NGO-LAX, and then add a well-timed daily 738 LAX-CVG-LAX to capitalize on DL'
78 Cubsrule : Why wouldn't they?
79 SCL767 : It's quite common for LAN not to code-share with AA on certain routes, e.g. SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL, SCL-CCS-MIA-CCS-SCL, UIO-MIA, GYE-JFK, GYE-MIA, JFK-
80 bobnwa : What has that to do with you claiming 50% load factores which isn't even close to being true, Maybe a little understatement is due rather than gross
81 flymia : Lets not forget AA uses MIA as a major hub, so they can connect people from all over the US to BCN. Also AA flys to many cities in Latin America whic
82 Post contains images FWAERJ : Don't forget LAX-EVV, LAX-SAT, LAX-CRW, and soon, LAX-TUP All near US Toyota plants. Speaking of Toyota, I remember that AA grabbed the TEMA (Toyota
83 commavia : That's not exactly the way I heard it. I heard that AA never got the Toyota contract to begin with - United did - and that is why AA's ORD-NGO route
84 iainbhx : It started with a 762 and moved to a 763, it was pretty well used in the summer but weaker in the winter. It was closed down after 9/11 but came back
85 FWAERJ : UA has the Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. contract (LAX). DL holds the Toyota Engineering and Manufacturing America contract, a former NW contract. (CRW,
86 exFATboy : A fair point, but the question, slightly rephrased, is still valid: does AA have access to any unused LHR slots right now (be they AA, BA, or IB slot
87 commavia : In short- yes. I'm sure there will be plenty of shifting around of slots at Heathrow over the next 18-24 months. BA may well be able to free up some
88 exFATboy : In that time frame, definitely, but I wasn't expecting to see any moves that would require BA (or IB) to drop any services so quickly that an announc
89 LAXtoATL : Correct me if I am wrong, but considering that BA would earn 100% of the profits operating a A319 to BRU and only 50%(?) of the profits from a JV ope
90 LDVAviation : I am wondering too. Perhaps, MAH can chime in on this. But, the absence of codeshares on the routes you referenced may have something to do with rest
91 Post contains links SCL767 : Both statements are accurate. AA only has ATI with LAN Airlines and one of its affiliates, LAN Peru (LP). LAN Airlines currently has four, (soon to b
92 MAH4546 : I do think AA will fly to Berlin, but I also doubt AA will go with the expense of opening Tegel service, only to move to Brandenberg next year. It'll
93 avek00 : EWR-LHR daytime with a 75L.
94 runway23 : What happened to IB's plans of starting MIA-LAX that almost seemed a sure deal a few months back ? I don't know if it would add anything, worthwhile.
95 Post contains images USAirALB : Really? BA seems to do fine with it with the daily 763 and daily 777, if the schedules havent changed. Thats too bad. I saw the starting date on depa
96 MAH4546 : BA does really, really well to PHL, to the point where US is basically just a shadow on the route, picking up the low-yielding traffic. But, to be fa
97 764 : Here's hoping that one of the new ORD routes will be to DUS. I know full well that AB is not really in OneWorld yet, but they could offer European con
98 UALWN : I don't quite see the benefits of ATI. Connections in BCN? Currently, IB flies exactly one route from BCN: to MAD. And BA flies to LHR and maybe a co
99 MAH4546 : ATI offers behind the scenes benefits - sharing costs in operations, facilities, schedule coordination, distribution networks, etc. ATI makes a lot o
100 Post contains images flyboy_se : It would be really nice to see AA back at ARN. However i don't think it is a good choice to do JFK-ARN. DL already flies daily on the route, and CO a
101 Post contains images USAirALB : Thats too bad. I presume it was an 762?
102 flymia : Barcelona IIRC is the largest cruise ship port in Europe. Tens of thousands of people fly their weekly during the summer to catch cruise ships.
103 MAH4546 : We've heard that before, and yet AA has successfully entered seven markets from JFK in the past eight years, all with at least two, often three, comp
104 BY738 : So whats the bets.... GLA in the announcement list ?
105 Post contains links GlobalCabotage : BBI opens in summer 2012. http://www.berlin-airport.de/EN/BBI/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin-Brandenburg_International_Airport I would
106 MAH4546 : The first oneWorld route begins November 1st, with MIA-TXL, and then in May starts JFK-TXL. But, yes, I agree that ORD-BER is a given when the airpor
107 GlobalCabotage : I was focusing on BBI. As MAH4546 mentioned, the integration begins with MIA-TXL and JFK-TXL. When BBI opens, ORD will get service! I should have ment
108 Post contains images exFATboy : Thanks for the info, I didn't know BCN was such a major cruise port and that so many Americans fly to Europe for a cruise. Can't imagine doing it mys
109 SCL767 : Berlin and its airports...IMO, the code BER is a better choice than the first replacement code of BBI. Also good to see that AB will soon increase th
110 UALWN : Then I guess AMS and TLV will be even more logical choices. That is correct. There you have your explanation! Or in BCN...
111 MAH4546 : TLV, absolutely. AMS? Absolutely not. It's a bulk tourist market, almost entirely low-yield and over 80% of the traffic originates in Amsterdam. BCN
112 GlobalCabotage : Too bad AA has the TW issues regarding TLV. I could see AA flying TLV-JFK/MIA/ORD daily or several times a week.
113 UALWN : You may be right, but connecting via the US adds a big hassle. Instead, flying BCN-MAD-wherever is much easier. And IB flies from MAD to very many pl
114 avek00 : BA also had a dayflight, first with ah 777 then with a 767, and it was canned a couple years back during the start of the economic slowdown IINM. In
115 BAKJet : That's the one I'm hoping for....and I definitely agree that it has a shot. Not only is IND-LHR within the range of a 75L, but Eli Lilly (HQ in IND)
116 MAH4546 : Yet despite this - which is totally a myth - more travelers on a one-stop itinerary between LatAm and the EU connect via Miami than any other airport
117 Post contains images lambertman : Normally these American Airlines precursor threads cause me to quiver a bit, but there's nothing left to fear I guess. There's a positive in everythin
118 Cubsrule : But neither statement explains why they wouldn't codeshare on SCL-COR, which is operated by LA and is a market where LA could effectively add a frequ
119 MAH4546 : AA and LA already codeshare on SCL-COR. COR is developing very strongly lately - it got Copa to PTY last year, Iberia to Madrid last week and America
120 SCL767 : Yep, AA places its code on LAN's SCL-COR service, as well as on 4M's AEP-COR service. COR also got a daily LP operated LIM-COR service last year. If
121 UALWN : IB does fly daily to SDQ during high season. Air Europa also flies from MAD to SDQ. As for the secondary cities, well if I want to go to, say, Ponce,
122 MAH4546 : There is nothing cleverly worded about it. More EU-LatAm traffic connects in MIA than it does in MAD. How on earth could I include non-stop flights?
123 UALWN : There's a lot of LatAm traffic that wants to go to Madrid, nowhere else. It is actually the #1 EU destination from LatAm. Those people won't connect
124 bobnwa : I think you meant to say that 80% of the traffic originates on the European side of the market, not actually AMS originating.
125 PRAirbus : I believe AA will make some kind of routes announcement; internal sources indicate AA decided to install PTV's (like B777) in Coach on its 75L's. The
126 AA767400 : At the end of the day, passengers will fly via whatever city is possible, so long as the price is right. You're forgetting that people will connect i
127 UALWN : Not of they fear that they may have trouble with US Customs and Immigration. Well, I have doubts about the viability of BCN-MIA. I have exposed them
128 jfklganyc : "Transiting in MAD is easier than MIA, but then you have to endure longhaul on IB." If you are travelling economy (most people) wouldn't IB longhaul b
129 Post contains images Super80DFW : Well sure. But I think there is a general concensus on here saying IB isn't known for their "stellar trans-atlantic coach product" either.
130 UALWN : I would consider AA more professional than IB, but, to be honest, I don't have much recent experience with either of them. By the way, it's not so mu
131 AA767400 : Money talks, and well... you know the rest. Don't be convinced then. Believe what you want. Thankfully, you're not working in planning for an airline
132 UALWN : Excuse me, but, up to this day, all airline planners in history seem to have come to the same conclusion I have reached, since no airline up to know
133 SCL767 : From South America, LAN prefers to offer their customers the option of flying only on LAN metal to/from certain European destinations. LAN offers UIO
134 MAH4546 : Nothing unfair. If you are going non-stop, you are not a connecting passenger. My statistic only goes to disprove the myth that people do not connect
135 UALWN : Maybe I didn't make myself clear: there are no operations to merge, because, for all purposes, IB ceased to operate in BCN a number of years ago. The
136 MAH4546 : You didn't make yourself clear because you are wrong. Simple as that. AA will not be on its own. It will have the IB* and BA* codes on its flight, sh
137 UALWN : Sorry, I'm wrong in exacty what? Am I wrong in saying that BCN offers no connectivity whatsoever to AA passengers because IB and BA flights from BCN
138 Post contains images LONGisland89 : Ok people, let's be nice The announcement(s) is(are) tomorrow. After that, everyone can argue
139 MAH4546 : You are wrong because you are ignoring the behind-the-scenes IT sharing, the travel agent networks, the tour package contracts, etc., etc. Until Octo
140 UALWN : Except there is no way to fly IB to BCN except from MAD. Slightly indeed. A few routes from places like León, Salamanca and Badajoz on CRJs., which
141 MAH4546 : What is your point? Currently Iberia wants to route its BCN-MIA traffic via MAD. When AA starts MIA-BCN, it will want to route it on AA's non-stop. I
142 cessna2 : AA did operate RDU-Paris(Orly) which did very well and was busy during the summer travel season...However if any flight to Paris were to be started it
143 david_itl : JFK-MAN now showing as bookable into October next year, so I'm assuming that's one of the routes that's going to be converted into year round as previ
144 flyboy_se : That is true, but ARN is a much smaller market. Opening JFK-ARN will see somebody dissapear. And i dont think it will be SK or CO.
145 GlobalCabotage : ORD-DUS is a permanent fixture on LH (thanks in part to ATI)! The flight did start wiht a Privatair 319 but has been an LH 330 for the last two years.
146 peanuts : There are indeed some major challenges, however... I think AA, along with BA/IB and the ATI/JV will actually become more of a formidable competitor a
147 GlobalCabotage : I for one would love to see competitoin at ORD! AA has a loyal following here and some large corporate contracts, but we seem to be the red-headed ste
148 MAH4546 : Well, then, I can't say anything more than this: prepare to be shocked.
149 peanuts : I think some will be. If anything, now is the perfect timing for OW to launch a full attack at ORD. UA is a big dog, but not invincible.
150 SCL767 : Also, MIA-DUS was operated by LTU before AB acquired LTU. Interestingly, AB started its first flights with a TWA B707, (which later became AA). Later
151 Post contains images Mexicana757 : They better shock me when it comes to ORD and long haul. Can't wait for the announcement.
152 Viscount724 : Unless AA wants the revenue. Isn't the AB/AA codeshare deal just a standard codeshare? Do they have ATI permitting a joint venture and revenue sharin
153 MAH4546 : FYI: last night JFK-MAN was switched in reservation systems to year-round.
154 runway23 : Already posted well above. And you're source of PTV on 757s seems inaccurate after further checks.
155 MAH4546 : If true, then many of us are getting inaccurate information, because I'm not the only one hearing it, and I doubt we're all hearing it from the same
156 ckfred : UALWN, I think I get it, so let me explain. The talk has been that with ATI, AA will start flying from a non-hub U.S. city to LHR. Before ATI, AA woul
157 GlobalCabotage : Shock and awe out of ORD to the EU? Now this is suspense! I hope I am shocked to awe! If this true, I'm sure UA will respond. I talked to my buddy at
158 MAH4546 : Just keep in mind that tomorrow's announcement might only involve one O'Hare-Europe route, and I doubt it will be more than two. JFK is the focus for
159 GlobalCabotage : Well the sixth floorat HDQ1 (and 5th floor as well) have been very quiet. I guess the 2012 pre-BBI and BXH (or GLA) rumors are true! AA better get a j
160 LAXdude1023 : I keep hearing that there may be a new aircraft or a new aircraft order coming tomorrow. Im also hearing that the expansion is going to be primarily
161 MAH4546 : To clairfy this point, I am also hearing this, that tomorrow's announcement is all European, but LatAm and Asia announcements are likely by year's en
162 WROORD : First bet LAX-PEK or LAX-PVG. Second ORD-HKG, but reality is that they need to step up ORD if they still want to complete with UA, they question remai
163 MAH4546 : LAX-PVG was announced on Friday. Daily 772 effective April 5th, pending DOT approval. AA has a very under-utilized long-haul fleet. Five unused 772 f
164 WROORD : They do? So what are they doing keeping them idle, I can name two dozen possible routes, including some seasonal.
165 FutureUScapt : If it did so well, then why was it discontinued so long ago and never brought back?
166 laca773 : In regards to new routes, is there a possibility we might see AA introduce new service from LAX to MAD with 763ERs? There's been much talk in the pas
167 GlobalCabotage : ORD-CZM has been on AA.Com for a few days (or longer) and no one has talked about that. It will be great to see ORD-BHX back (now with ATI)! I've hear
168 LipeGIG : My question is about the frames to fly all or some of these routes. Some need 772, other 763 and 752. Does AA have a lot of metal without use right n
169 GlobalCabotage : AA's long range fleet is vastly underlitelized. AA can easily make this work with some minor scheudle adjustments.
170 akizidy214 : In my opinion the 777LR is the best fit... But if the rumor is true and AA can get the 744 for basement prices... Thats probably the best bang for th
171 miaintl : In my opinion AA really needs to venture into the African market, and MIA is the best palce to start. I can think of DKR, ACC, LOS, JNB, and CPT as go
172 MAH4546 : Until last week, they were doing a lot of troop charters. Also, 763s keep being rotated through for winglet installation, which is quite a labor-inte
173 Post contains images akizidy214 : Could easily use a 767... I think the big route missing from the AA map is MIA-JNB... MIA-DKR-LOS-DKR-MIA MIA-ACC-JNB-ACC-MIA
174 klkla : AA getting more 747's or 777's is nothing but a pipe dream. AA's next widebodies will be 787's if anything and that will be years down the road.
175 MAH4546 : As of now, AA's next widebodies will be 777s which start delivery in January 2013. There goes that theory of yours.
176 akizidy214 : [quote=MAH4546,reply=180]As of now, AA's next widebodies will be 777s which start delivery in January 2013. AA will most definitely make a move on the
177 EMB170 : Mark, you don't think after all these years, they'll finally bring back ORD-TXL, do you? If they did, they would certainly hit Star Alliance where it
178 MAH4546 : I'm torn on this. I think it absolutely has to start making moves now, but that is going to require a huge shift in their strategy. Yes, I think this
179 Blueman87 : whens the 787 coming
180 akizidy214 : With all the industry news... UAL-CO, DL-NW, Airtran-SW.... AA has to do something and has to do it now... AA conservativeness has got them this far.
181 LAXdude1023 : I keep hearing that management has been in meetings with the APA this week. I also keep hearing a new aircraft type or an aircraft order is on the ho
182 EricR : The new aircraft type may be of the smaller variety (E170) rather than the larger variety.
183 LONGisland89 : What time can we expect the announcement tomorrow?
184 akizidy214 : No firm date.. But AA will have no problem getting favorable delivery dates from Boeing. I believe it just needs to be written in the pilots contract
185 flyfree727 : latest internal RUMORS ... AA getting used 777's from mideast airline that is dumpming them for airbus.. ORD-HEL LOTS of chatter involving B6 some cha
186 laca773 : The E190s would be a great a/c for AA to get especially on many of these routes where they compete with UA out of ORD. It also gives them more flexib
187 Kappel : EK has some RR powered 772's (ER and non-ER)...
188 teme82 : That route with T7? AY operates to JFK with A333 and if I'm not mistaken they don't need bigger plane for the route. So ORD-HEL would be 767 route if
189 jfk777 : Does any one know at what time a press conference or press release will be ?
190 jpetekyxmd80 : The ATI press conference in London will begin in 20 minutes at 8 EDT.
191 DFWEagle : [American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia announced today four new routes that will start next April as an early benefit of the new joint busines
192 kl911 : Why in London?
193 runway23 : Seems like someone with their predictions was totally off with their rumors. Where is LHR-RDU, JFK-FRA, JFK-DUB, BCN-MIA, announcement of ORD-BBI ??
194 Post contains links DFWEagle : New thread -: And The AA Announcement Is... (by AA767400 Oct 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)
195 bobnwa : Because BA is the big Kahuna of the three airlines mentioned.
196 akizidy214 : ORD-PDX Looks like you get your LAX-MAD. SAN-LHR.... Nice... Still leaving so much on the table. Specifically MIA-BCN and JFK-FRA... Those looked to
197 SCL767 : MIA-BCN will probably launch during Winter, 2011. The question is will it be operated by AA or IB. DL operates JFK-FRA daily, LH operates the route 2
198 klkla : They don't use all the widebodies they have now so a deferal of the remaining 777's, or cancellation altogether is very possible. The theory still st
199 MAH4546 : Looks like someone needs to re-read the original thread message: A very good start. And there's more to come throughout the fall, be sure of it.
200 flymia : ?? You do know AA has been running this route for years already.
201 UALWN : Thank you very much for the long post, really. Still, code shares were already possible, and in place in some routes, before. Nothing to do with ATI.
202 vv701 : Just noted that this flight, AA173 (LHR-RDU) is already a BA code share flight (BA1550). Indeed all the AA and BA TATL flights seem to be code share
203 MAH4546 : This happened on October 1st.
204 UALWN : You wrote that rumor had it that it would it announced today, then that it wouldn't, then that it might. That's what I meant, but I should have worde
205 Post contains links ManuCH : As the rumor was now confirmed, this thread will now be locked. Please continue discussion here: And The AA Announcement Is... (by AA767400 Oct 6 2010
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Another New G4 Route Announcement 9/20 posted Sun Sep 19 2010 19:24:23 by FWAERJ
AA Dropping 777 On MIA-LAX-MIA posted Sat Apr 10 2010 10:02:06 by N62NA
AA/JL Announcement At LAX Today? posted Thu Apr 8 2010 09:38:21 by commavia
SBN New Flight Announcement On Wed posted Tue Apr 6 2010 18:23:19 by FATFlyer
AA 763 Back On West Coast-HNL But Not From LAX posted Fri Apr 2 2010 14:02:36 by AQ737
AA/AC Liveries On A 747-8... posted Mon Mar 22 2010 11:33:24 by AZA330
AA/Eagle Back On ORD-PNS posted Mon Mar 22 2010 09:45:34 by commavia
Why DL And Not AA Or UA On CMH-LAX? posted Sat Mar 20 2010 12:17:49 by LHCVG
Is AA Adding F Seats On Domestic Flights? posted Mon Mar 15 2010 22:43:17 by crosswinds21
Will AA Pull A "nw" On Rampers/FA's? posted Fri Mar 5 2010 07:56:48 by aa777lvr