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SWA Acquires 3 Used 737  
User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16692 times:
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according to ATDB.org ( a very reliable source) SWA is acquiring 3 former Virgin Blue 737-700's---a/c #30744, 30745 and 30746 with the first one now in service. Very interesting development to see SWA back into the used market while deferring some of their scheduled deliveries---must have been a great deal!!

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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16324 times:

Quoting N471wn (Thread starter):
Very interesting development to see SWA back into the used market while deferring some of their scheduled deliveries---must have been a great deal!!

Why is WN deferring deliveries?



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3321 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16211 times:

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 2):
Why is WN deferring deliveries?

They were deferring deliveries as they were stopping/slowing growth for the last few years. I think Boeing was very happy about this as thats alot of frames for other airlines they could get out. I think Boeing is sweating hard now as WN is going to return to eating a large chunk of thier production again.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16169 times:
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Quoting N471wn (Thread starter):
SWA is acquiring 3 former Virgin Blue 737-700's---a/c #30744, 30745 and 30746

This is correct. I believe they were ex VH-VBQ, VBR, and VBS

NZ1


User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15905 times:

Hmm.,.. cool I wonder if these will be in a transitional livery for a period of time..

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15725 times:

Suprised they didn't pick up used -800's as per the recent discussions   If you're only leasing them, it would have made perfect sense to cut their teeth on -800 ops...


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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

Why would WN need USED -700s right now? We have them coming in on delivery, -800s on the horizon, and a ton of planes from FL. Doesn't seem right.

Quoting N471wn (Thread starter):
with the first one now in service.

As what WN tail numbers??? I don't see any new tail numbers under the MX page or in the spare aircraft section.



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14921 times:

I see VH-VBQ registered as N552WN 6 days ago which is leased but the other two I do not yet see registered....


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User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14375 times:

Those planes were to assist with current fleet plans. Already in the mix months ago...
Jet


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4737 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13765 times:
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Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
Why would WN need USED -700s right now?



Accelerate some -300 retirements maybe?

Quoting swa4life (Reply 4):
Hmm.,.. cool I wonder if these will be in a transitional livery for a period of time..



I'm going to guess not for the following reason...

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 9):
Looks like N552WN is in PAE right now and is scheduled to be there at least through NOV 30.



Seems like enough time for paint and an interior conversion. Just a guess though.



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11775 times:

How old would these -700s be? and why did virgin blue get rid of them?

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11615 times:

I know WN bought two of Ford's 73G's a few years ago.

[Edited 2010-10-04 08:14:52]


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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11495 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 13):
I know WN bought on of Ford's 73G's a few years ago.

Yep, N270WN and N271WN were the ex Ford Planes

N550 and N551 are the former Air Sahara Planes.

WN has stated any "extra" -700s would revert to the N55X series, when Ford -700's came along, 270/271 were reserved but not placed on aircraft yet so this is why they received a "normal" registration.

Alex



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 12):
How old would these -700s be?

One is a 2001, the other two are 2002's.
Originally ordered and built for Midway Airlines (not sure if they took them up),
then went to Virgin Blue in Sept of 2002.



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User currently offlineN9801F From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10808 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
Why would WN need USED -700s right now? We have them coming in on delivery, -800s on the horizon, and a ton of planes from FL.

FWIW, during the economic crisis (right after fuel prices spiked in 2008) some airlines (for instance AirTran) sold brand new aircraft they were receiving from Boeing. These airlines were urgently trying to preserve cash so that they could survive the downturn, and although the market for used aircraft was generally depressed, the 737-700 was a notable exception. In other words, the 737-700 was one of the few things airlines could actually sell immediately for cash, which they desperately needed at the time.

My guess is Southwest's decision to buy the Virgin Blue aircraft relates to their price vs. the current used market for 737-700's and the contracted price Southwest has with Boeing for new aircraft. There have been some unusual events recently (as the AirTran example shows) and maybe the Virgin Blue aircraft were a real deal compared with the other alternatives.

Another factor could be delivery dates.


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

Quoting N471wn (Thread starter):
ATDB.org

Did you mean ATDB.aero? ATDB.org is some kind of German/Turkish site.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8774 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):
Why would WN need USED -700s right now?
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):
Accelerate some -300 retirements maybe?

The timing is a little off, but they weren't planning on the EWR slots coming their way AND I noticed in their new March schedule they didn't appear to cancel any flying to "fund" EWR so these planes may be used for the unplanned EWR service. If they are flying now they may also be using them to allow another line of C-check or something until March.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8706 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 12):
How old would these -700s be? and why did virgin blue get rid of them?

Virgin have been gradually replacing leased 737-700's with 737-800's.


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7075 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):

Seems like enough time for paint and an interior conversion. Just a guess though.

Paint yes, interior conversion no.
I am told that the interior will be a hybrid version until such time as all the parts become available to convert them.
This would include two lavs in aft, one large galley. Things always change, so we will have to see.

***Edited to correct typo***

[Edited 2010-10-04 16:43:49]

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 20):
I am told that the interior will be a hybrid version until such time as all the parts become available to convert them.
This would include to lavs in aft, one large galley.

Oh no. Thats the worst thing that could come of this.

I still don't get why WN needs this NOW. I see that WN is retiring N304SW and N307SW in November, but we're also getting N952WN then too.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Sad to hear 304 is getting the boot, she was the oldest plane I have flown on so far.


For those interested or curious as to why this plane is going to be at PAE for a while, look at some pics of her


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She sports that "IFE Bump" that will have to be removed before she enters service with WN...

[Edited 2010-10-04 19:17:53]


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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 20):

Paint yes, interior conversion no.
I am told that the interior will be a hybrid version until such time as all the parts become available to convert them.
This would include to lavs in aft, one large galley. Things always change, so we will have to see.

We did fine with the other Transitional Aircraft... in fact there's still a special place in our manual I believe for just that. It only became difficult on short hops because we didn't have the same counter-space for tray service and didn't know where a lot of things were aside from the emergency equipment. I quite liked our previous transitional aircraft on transcons because there was enough lavs for everyone!



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Will WN pilots be flying the ferry flights to the states?


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5344 times:
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Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 22):
Will WN pilots be flying the ferry flights to the states?



Virgin Blue pilots bring them as they are not yet on Southwest Ops Spec.
I think I saw on a tracking program that flew from Australia via Nadi and Honolulu to Everett, WA.


User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
Accelerate some -300 retirements maybe?

My guess is that this does not change or accelerate the planned 300 retirement schedule which is based on scheduled C and D checks anyway ...SWA bet "conservatively" when they delayed their deliveries from Boeing and now they have a chance to add some capacity---bottom line is that business is very good at SWA as a result of their new route and acquistion opportunities and the fact that SWA is clearly snatching passengers from other airlines who are tired of exhorbitant change fees and baggage charges.


25 Post contains images KELPkid : I wonder if it will be replaced with the Row 39 WiFi (or whatever row number it is ) sat antenna. WN doesn't use Koito seats, I hope. I'm wondering i
26 Post contains images 71Zulu :
27 N471wn : So are N270WN and N271LV now the same as the other SWA aircraft or are they different in some way---I have not flown them yet....
28 Post contains images SEPilot : I would suspect that it must have been a case of "seize the opportunity" where they got a chance to pick up a bargain. I would think that with the acq
29 Post contains images SXDFC : Those are the WIFI bumps WN has placed on many of its A/C. They will appear on more of them in the future as well. Not sure off hand if any of the fm
30 Silver1SWA : I was under the impression that the entire fleet would get it. However, I have yet to see it installed on a -300 or -500. Will they not get wifi? I h
31 QANTAS747-438 : Nope. Only -700s. Oddly enough, none of the 700 tail numbers are getting them. Only 200, 400, and 900 tail numbers seem to be getting the wi-fi.
32 Post contains images atrude777 : Whoops, I KNEW i did the registration wrong! Ya, N271LV indeed is the right one. Only -700's? That' cant be right. I read that the entire WN Fleet wa
33 WNCrew : Though all of the announcements to the public and in Spirit Magazine touted it as "fleet-wide".
34 Post contains images KELPkid : When able, please verify that "bloviating" is actually a word in the English language. It sure doesn't appear in the glossary in the FAR/AIM
35 Post contains links and images akelley728 : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bloviating
36 QANTAS747-438 : Sorry, right now only -700s are getting it. I guess the whole fleet should be finished by 2013.
37 SXDFC : Cant imagine the -300s would be getting any more mods. By now all of the -300s that got winglets should have them installed by now, and most of the e
38 atrude777 : I wasn't talking about winglets, I was referring to the wifi installation.
39 Post contains images SEPilot : What, you don't acknowledge Bill O'Reilly as an acceptable authority?
40 Post contains images SXDFC : Wifi is a mod right? Back onto topic... Anyone get any pics of this bird yet?
41 atrude777 : Nothing you said in your sentence I quoted had anything to do with wifi. Yes it is a modifcation, but knowing WN is installing wifi on ALL the aircra
42 KLASM83 : WE'LL DO IT LIVE!! Now that I have that I have that out of my system, a legit question: I wonder what needs to be done to this trio to get them fully
43 QANTAS747-438 : Things that come to mind: WN interior... WN seats, carpet, wall decorations., new galleys, lav layout, flight deck layout which includes a software d
44 Post contains images keesje : Congratulations to Boeing for the deferrals then.
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